Come on something to be proud of, we are the best at that at least....Oh no that's not good is it..................... damn it
Here's why pool is dying....
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Come on something to be proud of, we are the best at that at least....Oh no that's not good is it..................... damn it
No, it has declined ridiculously since its 2004/2006 heydays.
At one time the neighborhood in PHX I worked in had almost every bar running hold-em events, now it is down to 1 place. That pattern holds true across the valley, and even casino poker is down at casino arizona.
The poker fad is dying, everyone knows it. Except you and the guy blaming it for killing pool I guess.
F1 is formula one, basket is italian league but also a little of european and NBA coverage, motogp is motorbike grand prix the same of f1 but with bikes. Remember soccer is the most popular sport then f1 and motogp and then with a BIG margin all the other sports.
Well said.
Too many times we equate playing pool with finding action.
I knew someone who was VERY good...and refused to play or practice unless there was something on the line.
Sad.
Actually, I didn't say that.
There was also a funsies 1P game going on, but they didn't want to make it a challenge table. I play regularly with both players, we sometimes play winner stsyas up if there's an odd number wanting to play 1 hole. Or even scotch doubles 1P if there are 4 of us and only 1 table open. 4 people total playing in a 6 table room. I would have been fine playing funsies, maybe I need to change deodorant !?
If I want to practice solo, I have a 9' Diamond in the basement at home.
At the same time ,there was a 10 seat poker game going on down stairs with 4 or 5 railbirds.
Not gambling per se, but all the "action" was downstairs in the poker room.
95% of the time I play pool, there is no money changing hands. Prolly shouldn't have mentioned gambling, since some here obviuosly wouldn't bet that water is wet
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Actually you can get a bet on that. But you can't win because technically water is not wet. Wet is the feeling you get from touching water and the state of being when something is covered with water. The water itself is not wet as water molecules do not touch themselves and nor do they have any feeling. In other words water causes wet but is itself not wet.
You might argue the conclusions and determine that the person betting against water being wet should know what you meant. But you can get a bet and using the simple terms that water is wet you can certainly get a bet against that from some members of this forum.
A lot of people gamble, but many do it at places other than a pool table.
I ask you, where's your premise for 'why pool is dying' if gambling shouldn't have been mentioned, given the content of the original post?
Physically or mentally...................................
If you fart in a forest and nobody is around to hear it, does it still stink???
Maniac (mine NEVER stink :embarrassed2
Curious where you get this idea. Blackjack is the only game where that's even possible and if you are accomplished enough to achieve it you get barred.
What are those really? Pool clubs or drinking clubs?
What are the odds that parents will allow or encourage their children to take up a pastime where a primary requirement in many places is the inhalation of cigarette smoke?
The MAIN reason pool quit expanding in the US is the price of pool tables, given that in the US there is probably more to do than any other country in the world.
Take the VCR for example - when it cost over $1,000 to get one, they weren't very popular. I remember reading a market strategist who said the magic number for VCR sales to take off was $600 and just look at what has happened now.
Now, look at the Far East. It takes 6 months just to get to play golf. Comparatively speaking, shooting pool is cheap for them, and therefore very popular. Same in the Philippines.
When and if technology gets the price of good pool tables under $1,000, then pool will take off. They will need to be lite and transportable, maybe even foldable so the housewife can have her way with the basement too. Until then, forget it. Pool has hit its maximum size.
Take the VCR for example - when it cost over $1,000 to get one, they weren't very popular. I remember reading a market strategist who said the magic number for VCR sales to take off was $600 and just look at what has happened now.
Now, look at the Far East. It takes 6 months just to get to play golf. Comparatively speaking, shooting pool is cheap for them, and therefore very popular. Same in the Philippines.
When and if technology gets the price of good pool tables under $1,000, then pool will take off. They will need to be lite and transportable, maybe even foldable so the housewife can have her way with the basement too. Until then, forget it. Pool has hit its maximum size.
Which idea are you curious about? You quoted two of my comments.
No matter I will assume both. The first is clear enough. Most casino games offer the opportunity for a payoff on any bet that is many multiples of the bettor's wager. This lure combined with the instant gratification is enough to spike dopamine levels and keep people playing.
As to the concept of being a professional gambler able to treat wagering like a job there is plenty of anecdotal evidence that suggest that some people have been able to maintain a positive average over the casinos. and not only in blackjack.
Don't make any bets on anecdotal evidence. Free advice based on math.
No one was proposing a wager. You asked where the idea came from. It comes from books and stories about gamblers who claim to have had successful careers as professional casino gamblers. Perhaps most or all these stories are untrue but the fact is that they exist. The point was that most who go to a casino are unprepared to treat their gambling activity in anything close to professional manner using techniques that the self-described professionals use.
This sliver of the conversation has to do with why casinos are luring money out of the pool room. I gave two valid reasons why.
It is quite possible to approach ANY table game in a professional manner, and be successful against the house. All it takes is a solid knowledge of the rules and some discipline - during and after play. If NOBODY ever won...all casinos would shut down pretty darn quickly.
The hard part is choosing to walk when you are ahead. Those that do have a much higher win ratio. They are few...but they exist.
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The hard part is choosing to walk when you are ahead. Those that do have a much higher win ratio. They are few...but they exist.
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It would be very nice if that website were moderated. The concept is sound but the execution is not. What is presented is not debate but base argument laden with insult and racism.
Water is wet is analogous to fire is hot. Water molecules do not adhere to each other. A water molecule will adhere to a surface and that adhesion creates a barrier between the surface and the rest of the world which brings the surface to a state we define as wet. When the water molecule turns into a gas through the application of heat, or a solid through the subtraction of heat then the surface is no longer wet and is instead known as dry or slick.
If we really think about it we never say that the water is wet. Never. We always say that something covered in water is wet. Or that something in a liquid state is wet. The paint is wet. Which is true because paint is alcohol and water bound to pigment. So wet paint is wet as long as the water content is in liquid form. When it evaporates the leftover pigment is dry.
And pool is dying because pool players who like to gamble do not understand that water is NOT wet and that the casino is nearly impossible to beat and that very few people have what it takes to be successful at poker.
Pool is not thriving in America because there are simply too many other things that Americans can spend their time and money on. People who like to gamble can get their fix without having to have actual physical skills. There are more places than ever and more opening up to take all the disposable income and time that customers want to dump into them.
The Super Billiards Expo is a prime example. The convention center which has been it's home for 18 years is now going to be turned into a land-based casino. So from now on if you want to bet that water is wet then you will have to do it in the casino.
The only casino games where an individual player can have an advantage are poker and blackjack.
Poker is not a game against the house so that's irrelevant although you have to exceed the skill of the other players to overcome the house rake which can be done. That's common knowledge and I know people who play poker for a living.
As I mentioned upthread an individual player or surreptitious team can gain an advantage in blackjack but it is recognized without much difficulty and you're shown the door or sometimes dragged to the door.
The only way an individual wins at any of the other casino games is by enjoying a totally random run of variation that temporarily goes against the house. No one can count on that for a regular living or even for regular breakfast and dinner. Even if you're a counter in blackjack you'd better have enough bank to endure some very punishing swings in variation.
Yeah, lots of books are written and the gambling addicts waste their money on those, too.