Herman Rambow Cue Restoration ?

dave sutton said:
you have some gold mines there sir.
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Before the guy divorces his wife and buys a Porsche, we should probably quantify "gold mines."

First of all, I am no expert. Having said that, I have seen a few of these Rambows go for $3k-$5k. Here is a link to one priced at $7k on eBay that did not sell. http://cgi.ebay.com/Original-Herman...-billiard-cue_W0QQitemZ320148741835QQihZ011QQ Or, it's possible that it ended early and sold outside of eBay. I didn't see if the auction ran it's full duration. In any event (IMO) this one had special significance due to Ray Schuler being the owner, and his relationship to H Rambow. I would imagine that yours would be valued at somewhat less than what this one sold for. There is also a very fancy example of a Rambow for sale on Chalkers for $6,800. http://www.chalkers.com/id528.htm along with a nice summary of Rambow history. In addition to Paul Rubino mentioned, you might also consult Deno Andrews for estimated value on the Rambow cue. You can reach him via the "contact me" links on his web site http://www.3cushion.com.

As far as the Spain cue, this is a nice model 34, and appears to be almost identical to the one sold on chalkers web site for $5,595. http://www.chalkers.com/id401.htm IMO you need a pretty motivated buyer to go that high, but $4k-$5k would be an honest approximation of it's current market value if in excellent condition. Of course, you should see Joel Hercek for a letter of authentication, and possibly a copy of the original bill of sale, on the Spain cue. http://www.hercek.com

Welcome to the forum, and I hope this is helpful.
 
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You have chosen wisely . . .

cuenut said:
If you can, I would try to post pictures of it on this forum and then ask for opinions unless it is obviously in really bad shape. During a refinish, it is pretty likely that your name and initials will at best be partially removed, as from what I understand, most of them were done in pencil unlike most today done in ink. You will likely, as you may already have, several PMs on the side from those wanting to make an offer to buy your cue. I will tell you now that I am interested when you come up with a price. In either case, I recommend not selling it without getting a good feeling from those on this forum as to it's value.
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I'd exercise caution before the refinish as well . . . Jerry R. and some of the builders on this forum can steer you first based on the cues condition . . . and if they recommend to not touch it, then I'd go after a good pro appraiser. In any case . . . you've got a Rambo and thats good!

Post those pics . . .
 
You have chosen wisely . . .

cuenut said:
If you can, I would try to post pictures of it on this forum and then ask for opinions unless it is obviously in really bad shape. During a refinish, it is pretty likely that your name and initials will at best be partially removed, as from what I understand, most of them were done in pencil unlike most today done in ink. You will likely, as you may already have, several PMs on the side from those wanting to make an offer to buy your cue. I will tell you now that I am interested when you come up with a price. In either case, I recommend not selling it without getting a good feeling from those on this forum as to it's value.
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I'd exercise caution before the refinish as well . . . Jerry R., Varney and some of the builders on this forum can steer you first based on the cues condition . . . and if they recommend to not touch it, then I'd go after a good pro appraiser. In any case . . . you've got a Rambo and thats good!

Post those pics . . .
 
Talk to jkmarshall here on AZ he has and is into these types of cues. Dick Abbot @ billiardcue.com is a collector & cue historian, remember, somthing is only worth what someone will pay you for it, often market value and apprasied value our miles apart. Mike Gartland of Quality Cues has sold many historic cues and has a good idea of market price.......
 
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Refinishing is up to the individual that owns the cue. In your case, the cue looks sound and from your description is sound. So I would leave it, alot could happen and no guarantees the signature stays on. That sig and the initials are very important to the value of the cue. I would send it to Paul Rubino for evaluation and a letter. It lends some more credibility if the need arises.

JV
 
my brother had one of these , (i never did give it back)
 

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Mr Hoppe said:
Before the guy divorces his wife and buys a Porsche, we should probably quantify "gold mines."

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i sent a pm to him stating around what the cues are prob worth and gave him some direction on his sale.

the rambow in original condition from the original owner with his name in the cue would prob be held in high value to a collector. lets face it someone will not buy it to play with.

spains speak for them selves. he is getting more and more recognition with every cue that pops up. contacting joel would be the right move deff. i agree.

in anycase cues that he paid from 100$ to 600$ all being worth atleast 4000$ to me would be goldmines. afterall these cues were made for him not passed around the counrty. these cues dont pop up everyday!!!
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I wanted to thank everyone for their input on this Thread. The overwhelming majority advised against having the cue restored before sale. Having it authenticated seems to make the most sense, and the names of Paul Rubino and Deno Andrews have been suggested. Any other names would be appreciated.

My final question is: How should I offer the cue for sale?
 
Original condition

This has been discussed many, many times on here. I believe that the consensus of opinion is that, unless something is structurally wrong with the cue or it is in severe condition, you are much, much better off to keep it in original condition.
Joe
 
CPhilipRoss said:
I wanted to thank everyone for their input on this Thread. The overwhelming majority advised against having the cue restored before sale. Having it authenticated seems to make the most sense, and the names of Paul Rubino and Deno Andrews have been suggested. Any other names would be appreciated.

My final question is: How should I offer the cue for sale?
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Since you are the original owner, your name is on the cue, and it looks like a real Rambow, I wouldn't bother to have the cue authenticated. If I were buying it, I wouldn't give it a second thought as to it's authenticity.

As far as selling it, you can advertise it here, offer it to some dealers, sell it on E-Bay. If it's priced fairly, you shouldn't have any trouble selling this cue. Take offers, etc., and see if you can make a fair deal.

Chris
 
Mr. Ross - Take the highest offer you received in PM and triple it to get an aprox real value :cool: . Lots of people here looking to fleece the unsuspecting. Unless you need the money, that thing may be best off in your closet for another 10 years or so.
 
azbluemach1 said:
Mr. Ross - Take the highest offer you received in PM and triple it to get an aprox real value :cool: . Lots of people here looking to fleece the unsuspecting. Unless you need the money, that thing may be best off in your closet for another 10 years or so.
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If he triples the best offer to get it's "real" value, it will be sitting in his closet for another 10 years.

I've found most of the people here to be very fair and honest. How much would you say this cue is worth?

Chris
 
azbluemach1 said:
Mr. Ross - Take the highest offer you received in PM and triple it to get an aprox real value :cool: . Lots of people here looking to fleece the unsuspecting. Unless you need the money, that thing may be best off in your closet for another 10 years or so.
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There's some truth to what you say, but for the most part, I think most people here try to be as fair as they can. Some folks simply have more jack than others. Some make offers that are fair in their minds, but maybe their minds aren't as in tune as others might be with the market value of a given cue.

That being said, I certainly wouldn't pay anyone $4k for a cue that I might hope to sell for $3k on the best and luckiest day. Or buy a cue for the "ten years down the road expected" price. Also, it can be said that there are a lot of dreamers with $1000-$1200 Meucci from the 70s/80s cues wanting to sell them for $10k plus !! LOL

That's one thing about this tight market overflowing with cues that we are mired in.....buyers are getting smarter, more picky, and definitely more educated.
 
Based upon the grading criteria in the 3rd edition "Blue Book", the condition is between 70 - 90 %. It still has the original finish and wrap. It is obviously only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. I understand the "market" for these cues is soft, so I may wait a few months before seriously trying to sell it. Thanks for your input. Phil Ross
 
CPhilipRoss said:
Based upon the grading criteria in the 3rd edition "Blue Book", the condition is between 70 - 90 %. It still has the original finish and wrap. It is obviously only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. I understand the "market" for these cues is soft, so I may wait a few months before seriously trying to sell it. Thanks for your input. Phil Ross
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You might be looking at $2500-$3000 imho to the right collector. A dealer would probably offer you 20% less. It is a very nice original cue, and I wouldn't dream of having any work done to it. You just need to find the right buyer. Not sure where you are located but I would certainly wait until Jan-Mar and maybe have someone try to sell this for you at the Derby event (KY) or Super Billiards Expo (PA).
 
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