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Hohmann loses to Ko because of the Cyclop balls
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It looks like someone has a greenie coming for an intelligent reply to this old and much debated not so much news story.
I see. So I can't make a definite statement like that but you can.
Got it.
But just to clarify. I said that he lost the game, NOT the match, because of the Cyclop balls.
And he did. He would have ran out that pattern in his sleep.
Also my first line in the post was:
"Hohmann loses this game and with it possibly the match."
But criticize me for making a definite statement and you go ahead and do the same.....however irrelevant it is.
Without seeing multiple shots on the same table its tough to say it was the ball or the table. When tables are set-up in a temporary venue you see funny rolls a lot due to table not being dead level. Just my $.02 here but i seriously doubt that was caused by a defective ball.
Before watching the pro matches with Cyclop balls I had never ever seen a ball roll off because of a manufacturer defect. NEVER. I had obviously seen balls that had been beaten to death and therefore rolled funny (especially worn out measle balls), but not new or normally worn balls and I have always shot with Aramith. I never even thought that this could ever be a problem with modern equipment. I thought it only happened to ivory balls.
I have had the chance to play with Cyclop balls myself, and that set seemed to play ok. I have played with that particular set several times. I don't like them, but that particular set seemed to roll true.
Maybe they managed to fix whatever problem those balls had, but to me that doesn't really matter. If they allow this kind of thing to happen in a pro tournament, I won't ever trust any equipment they put out. I'd rather use Aramith and forget all about this problem forever.
I've had several experiences with supposed high end products failing miserably because of manufacturer negligence and stupid design. I don't really give second chances on these occations. When I pay good money I expect a finished product, unless I'm knowingly buying a prototype. I'm not someones beta-tester, especially not one that pays for the privilege.
I have had the chance to play with Cyclop balls myself, and that set seemed to play ok. I have played with that particular set several times. I don't like them, but that particular set seemed to roll true.
Maybe they managed to fix whatever problem those balls had, but to me that doesn't really matter. If they allow this kind of thing to happen in a pro tournament, I won't ever trust any equipment they put out. I'd rather use Aramith and forget all about this problem forever.
I've had several experiences with supposed high end products failing miserably because of manufacturer negligence and stupid design. I don't really give second chances on these occations. When I pay good money I expect a finished product, unless I'm knowingly buying a prototype. I'm not someones beta-tester, especially not one that pays for the privilege.
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You do realize cars have recalls all the time. Stuff happens, and you dont know theres a problem till theres a problem:shrug:
Jason
Aramith balls have been around forever. They play great. This has never been a problem for them. I'll stick with what works. Also Cyclop refused to publicly acknowledge there was ever a problem...So good luck with the recall.
Any pool player worth his salt has seen balls roll off if they have been playing for any time at all.
Lou Figueroa
They came out with a new CB, lol.
Lou Figueroa
what?
do you need
sackcloth and ashes
Really? You have seen a brand new Aramith cue ball roll off because it's not round or evenly weighted? Because I haven't. Not ever. And I doubt I ever will.
I've seen tons of balls roll off. Crooked table, debris on/under cloth, unevenly streched cloth, pitted cloth, slate seam, canted slate, dinged slate etc....That's not the same, though, is it? Even the worst table rolls can be learned and compensated for, given enough time. Wonky cueball? AFAIK not possible.
And, yes. When someone makes a defective product it should be PUBLICLY acknowledged and recalled. That's how things are properly done. Coming out with a new one, without saying anything does not inspire trust in the company. It's not like anyone died or anything, but it's about the image. I guess hushing it down is just another way to protect the image. I prefer the other way, as a consumer. Let's say someone sells you this ball set with a bad cueball, then offer you a free replacement ball. That., to me, is a good sign. "These people are here to stay. They stand behind their product. Maybe I'll buy their product the next time."
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Gee Whiz CSI(representing Cyclop) gave this guy a whole set of balls for one scratched 15 ball. And oh yea paid shipping both ways too.
Got a brand new replacement set of Cyclop balls. Thank you CSI.
Even if you prefer Aramith, Cyclop has been good for players. Without them Aramith had a monopoly.
Here is a post from Mark Griffin re any Cyclop ball problem, dated 03-08-2015, 01:34 PM. I will bet the offer still stands!
Yes, I have seen Aramith CBs and OBs roll off. Centennials and Super Pros. Most players have at one time or another. Chit happens. I just don't throw a hissy fit over it. Get over it.
And Cyclop came out with a new CB over two years ago and MG has offered to replace any defective Cyclop balls sent to him.
You can put your order in now.
Lou Figueroa
Boy Lou, you must have almost choked when you were writing this. You finally acknowledged that Cyclop had to replace the original cue ball. A true "tail between your legs" moment. I tried to warn you but you were way to stubborn. This is what happens when you inject yourself into a conversation that you know nothing about. But that's your style, isn't it.
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oh good grief. I've been writing about the new Cyclop CB since it came out. I was probably one of the first guys in the country to get one over two years ago -- they wanted a CB that would play closer to a RC. There was also the issue of the translucent coating for the optical reader that some guys didn't like. They improved their product.
Did you say something about talking about something you know nothing about, lol.
Lou Figueroa
I'm automatically skeptical of Cyclops bashing because when they were new, people swore they "skidded more" and there was no rational, physics-based reason I could see to support that.
They aren't rougher or stickier than other ball sets, and the cleaning product used on balls can be a big factor in skids, ditto the chalk (a smudge of kamui can stay on a cue ball seemingly forever).
I dunno how one would definitively rule that it's the ball instead of the table.
"It rolls in both directions on the same path" - a slow rolling ball can waver back and forth due to the weave / nap / random bits of fuzz and chalk in the cloth. I've seen aramiths etc. do a little j-hook at the end when they came across a big enough chalk nugget.
"They rolled to the left on one shot, but to the right on another. How can the table be tilted in two directions?"
Slate can get bowed and cause balls to drift in either direction.
If Cyclop really was the cause of the problem, they must've fixed it. We use Aramiths 5 days a week and Cyclop in league and I've never seen behavior like what's shown in the videos. Or rather, I have but it was due to unlevel tables, and it affected all brands and all balls. I suspect that even with totally professional installers, tables can get jostled or gradually sink into carpet or whatever, and eventually end up with rolls despite their best efforts. Tables that have been sitting in the same spot for a decade are less susceptible to this.
I'll do a test tomorrow when I have both sets of balls readily available.
They aren't rougher or stickier than other ball sets, and the cleaning product used on balls can be a big factor in skids, ditto the chalk (a smudge of kamui can stay on a cue ball seemingly forever).
I dunno how one would definitively rule that it's the ball instead of the table.
"It rolls in both directions on the same path" - a slow rolling ball can waver back and forth due to the weave / nap / random bits of fuzz and chalk in the cloth. I've seen aramiths etc. do a little j-hook at the end when they came across a big enough chalk nugget.
"They rolled to the left on one shot, but to the right on another. How can the table be tilted in two directions?"
Slate can get bowed and cause balls to drift in either direction.
If Cyclop really was the cause of the problem, they must've fixed it. We use Aramiths 5 days a week and Cyclop in league and I've never seen behavior like what's shown in the videos. Or rather, I have but it was due to unlevel tables, and it affected all brands and all balls. I suspect that even with totally professional installers, tables can get jostled or gradually sink into carpet or whatever, and eventually end up with rolls despite their best efforts. Tables that have been sitting in the same spot for a decade are less susceptible to this.
I'll do a test tomorrow when I have both sets of balls readily available.
Tell us all why the original Cyclop cue ball rolled off, oh wise one. What I find most interesting that in your post #58 you admit that there was one instance (how about the first time they were used in a major pro tourney) where the cue balls were defective and had to be replaced and yet you admonished me for proof in your post #78 when I commented on exactly the same issue. In your posts #79, 81 and 102 you continue along the same theme, all the time knowing that what I said was true. Methinks you speak out of both sides of your mouth sir.
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Glad I offed my Cyclop set. Only Aramith Tournament, Super Pro and Brunswick Centennials at my place!
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