How can anyone sell in the WFS section?

[poolhustler]

Listing each cue individually isn't the problem.
For instance I put a lot of detail in my threads, I don't just throw a bunch of crap at the forum like so many people, especially the noobs are doing.
Too much detail with multiple cues starts to confuse the sale.
The problem is all of the other nonsense, way too many threads starting in the WFS where nothing is for sale, stupid questions all the time that do not belong in the WFS, and what about these guys looking for "WTB" nickel & dime items that I would never dream of starting a thread about.
"Hey man, I need a pink glove, anybody got one?"
There is zero moderation, by design, so people should stop *****ing about it, and stop responding to all of these incredibly stupid ridiculous threads.
Old members & new members are still bumping their sale thread one last time just to inform the world that they finally sold their overpriced piece of crap cue.
How dumb is that, and people are even responding to the idiots that have to tell everybody that they sold their cue...big ****ing deal><:angry:

I disagree. I have had FS threads where I have had 3 or 4 cases FS and also threads where I have had 5 or 6 cues FS. Easy to do in one thread.

You don't need to write a 10 page essay for each item.

 

[asiasdad]

i have sold 38 of my cues in the for sale section, i have never bumped one of them. they are a great cue for a great value, and the cues sell themselves.

if your product is not selling there might be a reason.

What he said ....

Also if you get 1000 views and it has not sold,
your pricing is far removed from reality.

There is a price to sell, and everything else
is a price that 50 bumps won't get it sold.

 

[poolplayer2093]

No crying going on.

Big internet man.

ok bro i was being serious. you wanted to sell something and i offered to buy it not even knowing what it was. but since you can't take me poking at you a little even if i'm gonna pay to do it then forget it

 

[J-Flo]

What are you selling? I'll buy it just to get u to quit crying

Why would you say he is crying?
Your one of the biggest violators on the sale/trade page. You make comments on everything. That bumps the entire page down. Im not sure you even play pool, I think you just troll the for sale page and regurgitate comments others have made about certain cur makers.

 

[cuesblues]

I disagree. I have had FS threads where I have had 3 or 4 cases FS and also threads where I have had 5 or 6 cues FS. Easy to do in one thread.

You don't need to write a 10 page essay for each item.

Sure it can be done, quite easily, but that's still not the problem

 

[Bavafongoul]

While I'll admit to illegally bumping threads thru my posts on another Azer's thread within 48 hrs of a previous post or bump, I've not done that with my own wtb, wts or wtt threads.
With my own threads, I would update a previous post made with 48hrs instead of writing a new post and used PM for communications with interested parties. And from my overall
experience, my threads would typically stay on the front page less than 3 hrs and by the time I got around to a legal 48 bump, my thread was back at least 10 -11 pages deep.

Now it's not necessary to point out I contributed to moving my own thread(s) backwards on the WTS pages through my improper bumps by posting comments on the threads of others.
I completely appreciate that but nonetheless, the number of times didn't matter because let's be honest and blunt, there's chaos on this Forum when it comes to items for sale, the
types of negative posts and the blatant over-bumping.

I've given up reporting posts because nothing ever comes from it based upon the fact that the threads and posts I report just continued and went on untouched by the Mods and the
offending party unscathed as well. It's fruitless to be a rally round the flag type about this because the Forum community seems to be basically indifferent towards this issue and so
why should the owner or the mods get concerned about it.......shouldn't be that way but that's just how the land lays. Until the Forum has an outcry for change, it never will.....too bad.
Matt B.

 

[Str8PoolPlayer]

sell it on ebay. you'll get 1000 times more viewers.

Exactly what I do. No real hassles selling there. I just add-in the 10% eBay
fee and still get my asking price. I'd much rather sell HERE, but too many
deadbeats, flakes, & scammers to wade through for me.

 

[poolhustler]

Put a giant picture, that links the thread, in your signature. That's what I do, but I try to keep the picture somewhat reasonable in size.

That's a good way to get exposure!!

 

[poolhustler]

Sure it can be done, quite easily, but that's still not the problem

Yes, you are 100% correct !!!

Too many issues need resolution before how many items are in a FS thread.

 

[phil dade]

A good forum model is USN, Usual Suspects Network. Primarily custom knives, they gave sections other for watches, cameras, long guns,handguns, for discussion and another for sale. The are sections for knives but selling is done in the COVE, thier name for wanted/for sale. To get in the cove as a buyer or seller it costs $30 per year. CUSTOM and PRODUCTION knives are vseparate threads. The same could apply to cues, cases, etc. Comments have to pretain to the item and purchase. This way the seller doesnot gp to page 6 in a day. Also the buyer can look for what item in which they have interest.

 

[jtaylor996]

How can someone who is just wanting to sell one item compete in the WFS section with people who have 10 sticks and start 10 threads?

Those who ask their friends to bump threads, those who self bump when there is NO, I repeat NO interest in the stick. You have seen the threads where someone thinks it's cool to change bump to bumpity or morning bump, whatever it is.

You put a stick up for sale, and it's immediately on the 6th or beyond page from people who just don't play fair.

Why isn't there a rule that if you are selling multiple items, you create one thread period. Unless it's a pool table and a stick, or some derivation thereof.

The thing that put this over the edge for me, was looking at a set of numerous pool sticks in a single picture. One thread for pool stick 2 another thread for pool stick 3 etc. The everyday Joe just can't get his item in the eyes of people.

I've suggested a solution before, and I'll suggest it again. It's what works most places:

1. Default sort order for W/FS is by thread start date, not last post date. Bumps disappear because they don't make the front page anymore.

2. No reposting a new ad for the same item within a week (since bumping doesn't get attention anymore). Instead of 20 page 3 year old threads where you wade through bumps to find information about the sale, a new one can be posted every week, keeping everything clean. Time between reposts is up for debate, but a week usually works.

3. Merge all of the stickies into one post, leaving room for more ads on the first page.

4. Break the W/FS section in to different boards for:
a. Cues
b. Cases
c. Tables
d. Accessories & Everything Else
e. Dealer Promotions (gold required to post)

5. Posters must have a minimum of 10 posts to be able to start a new thread in W/FS


This will work because if you change the default, it's the way 99% of people are going to see that board. You can do this for yourself right now by using the menu at the bottom of the page. If you do so, you'll notice W/FS only generates like maybe 1 to 1.5 pages of NEW ads per day.

This allows people to kick the tires and ask meaningful questions in the sale threads, which is what they are actually for. Discouraging this as is currently the case kills the utility of these being threads in the first place.

This keeps everything new at the top, and gets fair exposure to ads.

 

[Black-Balled]

Why would you say he is crying?
Your one of the biggest violators on the sale/trade page. You make comments on everything. That bumps the entire page down. Im not sure you even play pool, I think you just troll the for sale page and regurgitate comments others have made about certain cur makers.

Yup, he and I both do it, that's our jobs.

I got the east coast shift, he's got the west coast one.

 

[cuesblues]

A good forum model is USN, Usual Suspects Network. Primarily custom knives, they gave sections other for watches, cameras, long guns,handguns, for discussion and another for sale. The are sections for knives but selling is done in the COVE, thier name for wanted/for sale. To get in the cove as a buyer or seller it costs $30 per year. CUSTOM and PRODUCTION knives are vseparate threads. The same could apply to cues, cases, etc. Comments have to pretain to the item and purchase. This way the seller doesnot gp to page 6 in a day. Also the buyer can look for what item in which they have interest.

I agree with the way USN requires $30 per year to sell there, but other than that I don't like anything about it.

 

[cuesblues]

I've suggested a solution before, and I'll suggest it again. It's what works most places:

1. Default sort order for W/FS is by thread start date, not last post date. Bumps disappear because they don't make the front page anymore.

2. No reposting a new ad for the same item within a week (since bumping doesn't get attention anymore). Instead of 20 page 3 year old threads where you wade through bumps to find information about the sale, a new one can be posted every week, keeping everything clean. Time between reposts is up for debate, but a week usually works.

3. Merge all of the stickies into one post, leaving room for more ads on the first page.

4. Break the W/FS section in to different boards for:
a. Cues
b. Cases
c. Tables
d. Accessories & Everything Else
e. Dealer Promotions (gold required to post)

5. Posters must have a minimum of 10 posts to be able to start a new thread in W/FS


This will work because if you change the default, it's the way 99% of people are going to see that board. You can do this for yourself right now by using the menu at the bottom of the page. If you do so, you'll notice W/FS only generates like maybe 1 to 1.5 pages of NEW ads per day.

This allows people to kick the tires and ask meaningful questions in the sale threads, which is what they are actually for. Discouraging this as is currently the case kills the utility of these being threads in the first place.

This keeps everything new at the top, and gets fair exposure to ads.

All good suggestions except it should be a 50-post minimum requirement and a Gold Membership to start threads in the WFS.
Maybe even some training requirements, for instance I could use some photography classes><:smile:
I hate the idea of sub-categories by product, in my opinion it would drive sales farther into the tank.

 

[Dognit]

I dont get involved to much around here as this place is the wild west, but having experience moderating one of the webs LARGEST forums, I kinda know whats up.

Lack of moderation and rules enforcement.

2 mods cannot run a forum with 87 subs. Simple.

The more mods you have, the more uniform enforcement you have (thus controlling the bickering, harassment and blatant violations like the classifieds have) and the "side" benefit is less favoritism.

And no, Im not interested.

 

[jtaylor996]

All good suggestions except it should be a 50-post minimum requirement and a Gold Membership to start threads in the WFS.
Maybe even some training requirements, for instance I could use some photography classes><:smile:
I hate the idea of sub-categories by product, in my opinion it would drive sales farther into the tank.

It's one or the other. Too many ads to compete with, or not enough eyeballs in one place.

It would be nice if they had an "all" category where you could see everything at once in addition to the new categories (if you put one as in cues, it would show up in "all" automatically).

I'm against the gold membership requirement for posting ads. That will kill 90% of the ads we see today. Other forums and sites did that and then promptly died to almost no activity. What was left was just bickering. This is a terrible idea.

 

[jtaylor996]

I dont get involved to much around here as this place is the wild west, but having experience moderating one of the webs LARGEST forums, I kinda know whats up.

Lack of moderation and rules enforcement.

2 mods cannot run a forum with 87 subs. Simple.

The more mods you have, the more uniform enforcement you have (thus controlling the bickering, harassment and blatant violations like the classifieds have) and the "side" benefit is less favoritism.

And no, Im not interested.

I agree. There is almost zero moderation going on here. This really is the Wild West.

 

[Blue Hog ridr]

as I have mentioned before, when I go looking, there are certain threads that I know that I can skip and others that I will click on.

Myself, when I get the notion, I can easily go back 10 to 20 pages looking and it doesn't bother me.

Altho, if a person is a Seller, I can see where it would bother a person if you were obeying the Rules and others weren't. Some people don't care about playing nice when it comes to money.

As far as the Threads started to ask questions or Looking To Buy, it wouldn't be that difficult to have a New Forum under the Sales just for that purpose. People that have items for sale would also read that one.

I mean, if its true that people start a thread to ask for a Glove, they're just doing it out of boredom. Who doesn't know where you can buy a Glove. That type of Thread is unnecessary and clogs up the works.

It could be as simple as only allowing the OP to post to their thread. All other posts or questions would have to be by Private PM or email if the seller leaves one.

That way, the only onus would be on the Seller to obey the Bumping Times Rule.

I had a few suggestions previously. One of the members that was a Web Programmer said that he liked them or a few and it would be no problem to program the Sale Forum for that. Maybe the owners didn't like the idea or he wasn't interested, I don't know.

Could be as simple as a Programmed Thread timer. One wouldn't be able to Bump a Thread until the actual 48 hr limit was up. People could make all the comments they wanted but it wouldn't make a bit of difference of where the thread sat until 48 hrs.

Trial Programs that one can download. When one hits the date of trial expiration, they become inoperable until paid for.

The same principle could be programmed into the sales Thread.

Thats just one idea. There are as many ideas as there are members here.

 

[cuesblues]

It's one or the other. Too many ads to compete with, or not enough eyeballs in one place.

It would be nice if they had an "all" category where you could see everything at once in addition to the new categories (if you put one as in cues, it would show up in "all" automatically).

I'm against the gold membership requirement for posting ads. That will kill 90% of the ads we see today. Other forums and sites did that and then promptly died to almost no activity. What was left was just bickering. This is a terrible idea.

AZ is different than other forums.
Most of the active selling is by Gold members anyway, I doubt it would die just because some other forum died requiring membership.
The Gold Membership would keep out some of the guys who blow in, make a bad deal, and blow out, as well as the trunk merchants.

 

[Blue Hog ridr]

AZ is different than other forums.
Most of the active selling is by Gold members anyway, I doubt it would die just because some other forum died requiring membership.
The Gold Membership would keep out some of the guys who blow in, make a bad deal, and blow out, as well as the trunk merchants.

Thats pretty right on. But, some members are happy being Silver. What happens when they decide to either Sell or Trade their present cue for an upgrade for themselves.

Just a once in a 3 or 4 year thing for them perhaps and they would be excluded from doing a deal unless they are Gold. They could be a long time member as well and not a Fly By Night Artist.

Any ideas on how to get rid of the Rip Offs or Trunk Merchants are good tho so thats a great start.