how do i perform this shot (earl strickland)?

Okay, I went to the poolroom after work today and hit this shot for about 10 minutes and got it on video. I'd first like to say, I was playing on a lively GC IV so the action off the second rail seems to be a little sharper than what we have in the OP's youtube video of Flex. However, I did manage to get the desired action and I have to say, this IS NOT an easy shot. The hit is about 9:30. The more english you muster and the better the result will be. IMO, I wouldn't play it this way. Given free reign to do what I want, I'd likely use top left and double the side rail. It's a hard shot.
 
You win, your right...

I won't continue this discussion with you because it is not what this thread is about

Were you trying to "win"? I wasn't. I was trying to explore a subject that somebody might be interested in hearing more than one side of. You're not expected to continue anything or even to tell me about it. Go in peace, brother - see you in another thread.

Threads always go in multiple directions. If you could limit each thread to the one narrow topic the OP wanted to talk about (good luck) the forum would be less rich and informative.

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chgo
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Were you trying to "win"? I wasn't. I was trying to explore a subject that somebody might be interested in hearing more than one side of. You're not expected to continue anything or even to tell me about it. Go in peace, brother - see you in another thread.

Threads always go in multiple directions. If you could limit each thread to the one narrow topic the OP wanted to talk about (good luck) the forum would be less rich and informative.

pj
chgo


Did you want to know about my Donkey English Method?
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
... I have a picture in my head on how to get the cueball to react that way and you will too after you successfully hit it a few times.

Actually I have hit it successfully a few times. I was asking if you mean something unusual by your terms "punch" and "overstroke".

"Punch" means you have to hit it a bit on the hard side and "overstroking" (the actual word I used) in this instance would mean hitting it too high and causing force-follow (the cue-ball is spinning forward faster than it is moving forward) which will cause the cueball to bend.

So "punch" means hit it hard and "avoid overstroking" means use less than maximum follow. This shot is hit so full that I think you need quite a bit of both (unless the rails are pretty dirty and the spin really grabs). For instance, Earl hits it twice as hard as his student does in his first attempts (but makes it look like he's nonchalantin').

pj
chgo
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Actually I have hit it successfully a few times. I was asking if you mean something unusual by your terms "punch" and "overstroke".



So "punch" means hit it hard and "avoid overstroking" means use less than maximum follow. This shot is hit so full that I think you need quite a bit of both (unless the rails are pretty dirty and the spin really grabs). For instance, Earl hits it twice as hard as his student does in his first attempts (but makes it look like he's nonchalantin').

pj
chgo


I played this shot a bunch of times tonight. Actually, there's almost no follow at all. It's about half a tip of follow, no more. It's the left spin that gets you around the table. If you hit it with a lot of follow, you'll get an entirely different reaction.

Seriously, this is NOT an easy shot. I set it up near straight and it's tough slamming a ball in the pocket with that much side spin. My friend is posting the vid tomorrow.
 
Actually, now that I'm looking at the vid again, I'm wondering if I set it up too straight. I'll post the vid when I get it nonetheless.
 
Actually, there's almost no follow at all.

It takes lots of side and quite a bit of follow on my table with newish Simonis (which does bring the CB near the opposite side pocket) - maximum side and some follow won't do it. I'm sure it depends a lot on the cloth condition.

pj
chgo
 
Patrick Johnson said:
It takes lots of side and quite a bit of follow on my table with newish Simonis (which does bring the CB near the opposite side pocket) - maximum side and some follow won't do it. I'm sure it depends a lot on the cloth condition.

pj
chgo


I was using GCIV, bouncy rails, fairly new Simonis though like I said, now I wonder if I set it up too straight. Honestly, I don't like this shot unless I have some angle. I mean, if I have to take it, I'll take it but I'm looking elsewhere for options.
 
Handsumm said:
Wow, that guy in the lesson just improved like 1.5 - 2 balls in 3 minutes. Earl must know what he is doing.

THANK YOU!! I can hit it about 7 out of ten times now!
 
Fleece3 said:
THANK YOU!! I can hit it about 7 out of ten times now!


Okay, tell me this because I hit this shot for about 10 minutes today. Are you relatively flat on the ball or is there some angle? I can't quite tell but I shot it as though I'm almost straight and I had to pound it to get it around the table.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
I played this shot a bunch of times tonight. Actually, there's almost no follow at all. It's about half a tip of follow, no more. It's the left spin that gets you around the table. If you hit it with a lot of follow, you'll get an entirely different reaction.

Seriously, this is NOT an easy shot. I set it up near straight and it's tough slamming a ball in the pocket with that much side spin. My friend is posting the vid tomorrow.

Come on people!!! Give me my props!!! I NAILED IT on my final attempt! HOLLA!!!
 
I remember watching this video when it was first posted.

Although the audio was very poor, I clearly remember Earl
using the word "stun". I suspect he said something like
"mostly stun" or something like that.
 
I practiced the shot before my matches tonight and it is more of a spin shot,i followed through nice and level with alot of left hand english and let the spin and the rails take the ball around the table,i would say im hitting it 8 out of ten times sometimes falling short on the zone im trying to fall in. :)
 
lol i was thinking about this shot yesterday and although i am knowledgeable about it and posted some good advice about it myself, i am absolutely useless at executing it! i am terrible at inside english, especially with my ob-1. time to practice a bit more!
 
Black-Balled said:
Why didn't he just draw it w/ low R)?;)


Yeah, like I said, I'd look to do anything else. It's all about how much angle you have. The less you have, the less you'll want to go this way. I'd say I'm about 70% to pocket and about 50% to execute properly. What's more, you have to contend with TWO pockets. However, this was a lesson so I think it was the concept Earl was teaching and not necessarily how to handle a specific situation.
 
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