Tried to putt you on the green but the man says I must spread it around.
Thanks for comparing them, pt.
Best,
Brian kc
How do you hit and aim the cue ball to make this bank shot?
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Tried to putt you on the green but the man says I must spread it around.
Thanks for comparing them, pt.
Best,
Brian kc
This shot will come up while playing banks ,so get ready for it,with the object ball closer to the side pocket,this shot is very makeable on our gold crowns,with inside english,i like shooting this shot when the object ball is pretty close to the side pocket,while the other side is blocked of course!
I hate barging into the party here but could someone please make a video of themselves using left English (no, not left English that looks deceptively like right English, but left English) in such a manner that the cue tip lifts out, up, and away from the cue ball on the right hand side with an exaggerated follow through? I'd love to see that. Forget the crossbank.
what a loser! Sad for you, that this forum is all you got in life and if the people that pay to run this site don't want you here, you can't accept that and have to play your childish games.
The shot does not go as diagrammed on my GCII with 860. As I said in a previous post, it will go three rails in the opposite side, but not two rails. Those who are making the two rail shot should verify that they are banking the ball nearly two full diamonds (as diagrammed), which means that the ob is reversing nearly a full diamond off of the second cushion. It's easy to get it to reverse a few inches, but nearly a full diamond is a bit out there. Of course, it's been a decade or two since I played on a GCI, so who knows.
Aaron
Aaron
Good explaination right there.I would have never argued that the shot would not go 3 rails but that 2 rail on the video Is WAY out there.
JB
Thank you sir. I am not a great banker, but I have learned a lot from watching you and a few others. Looking forward to watching you fire 'em in at the next DCC.
Take care,
Aaron
Your welcome and thank you! See ya down there.John B.
Here is a diagram of the setup as close as I could pick it up from the video. Did I miss anything? Note how much the ball goes beyond the first side pocket.
I've got to try this tonight on the GC3s down at the PH. It still looks tough to me.
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I've got to try this tonight on the GC3s down at the PH. It still looks tough to me.
Bob, this looks right. Watching the video again, that table looks very small. I know it's not a 9, but I don't know what size it is. I think that may change the way this shot works.
As others have pointed out, the action on that shot looks a little "iffy" and unlikely with typical conditions. However, it certainly seems possible under some conditions.
FYI, I have demonstrations and detailed explanations of how to execute two-times and three-times across bank shots (with typical conditions) here:
Check it out.
Regards,
Dave
I did try this shot but with the object ball one ball off of the side rail. I made it on my first try, then missed it three times in a row......
Oh yeah, it was on a Diamond 9 footer in the hot humid conditions of Louisiana.
Did you have the blocker balls by the other side pocket?
I tried this on two different GC3s last night. They were newer and older cloth. The best I could do was to get the ball to come straight off the second cushion which ends up half a diamond from going in.
So, I'll amend my comment: this shot may go under some conditions but it's not something you should consider trying under tournament conditions on good equipment. Don't bet against someone shooting this shot on their own table.
No blocker balls.
In Louisiana, on Diamond 9 footers we can make the following shot every now and then, especially during the summer when it rains.
And this one can be short banked, especially during the hot, humid summer months (with rain).
Maybe that's why we don't have any world champions from our area. :shrug:
There's nothing wrong with the rail or cushion.
It looks to be a small table but that is not relevant to the shot.
The CB is being hit on the right side. That is obvious from his stroke. It is also obvious if you look at the chalk marks on the table next to the CB from previous attempts. They are on the right hand side of the CB. It is also obvious if you use the pause/unpause button. The CB is airborne and the cue shaft is on the right hand side of the CB shadow prior to the cue being lifted to the right. As I said upthread the cuetip is digging up under the CB on the right hand side.
This is the trick to the shot. Both the CB and OB get airborne. The CB is airborne when it hits the OB which gets the OB airborne. That's how the OB gets enough spin to reverse so strongly to the right.
It looks to be a small table but that is not relevant to the shot.
The CB is being hit on the right side. That is obvious from his stroke. It is also obvious if you look at the chalk marks on the table next to the CB from previous attempts. They are on the right hand side of the CB. It is also obvious if you use the pause/unpause button. The CB is airborne and the cue shaft is on the right hand side of the CB shadow prior to the cue being lifted to the right. As I said upthread the cuetip is digging up under the CB on the right hand side.
This is the trick to the shot. Both the CB and OB get airborne. The CB is airborne when it hits the OB which gets the OB airborne. That's how the OB gets enough spin to reverse so strongly to the right.
I'm making this shot with 1/2 tip of left, center, cue ball, per Mr. Brumback's suggestion.
GC1, Simonis 860, superspeed cushions.
I will hopefully get around to posting a video (have some figuring out to do) next week.
Best,
Brian kc
GC1, Simonis 860, superspeed cushions.
I will hopefully get around to posting a video (have some figuring out to do) next week.
Best,
Brian kc
If you have time, please try it with the blocker balls. I think I might make it on the local (more sticky) table if I'm allowed to get closer to the first side pocket. I think it's clear in the video that the ball hit at least a ball and a half below the side. Also, note that your cue stick needs to be over the corner pocket more or less.
risky biz:
There are those of us that appreciate your strong opinion about the underpinnings of this particular shot, and for your stoic stance to defend your beliefs even in the presence of conflicting information from banking masters like John Brumback.
Personally though, I think you're just a bit too fixated on that object ball's last bounce off the long rail closest to the camera -- i.e. you're working the shot backwards based on that bounce, all the way through the cue ball strike, with an assumption that the "gear effect" stayed constant throughout.
The problem is that this thinking is flawed. As mentioned earlier, there are many shots where the object ball's spin gets REVERSED after it strikes the cushion hard. The classic 3- and 4-rails cross-side bank is an example of this, where the object ball is found to be striking both sides of the side pockets alternatively, the spin on the object ball "reversing" each time. If you tried to apply the "gear effect" to those two shots, thinking the spin on the object ball never changes, you'll find the 3- and 4-rails cross-side bank to be "an impossible shot." It isn't.
Also, I personally don't pay too much attention to the shooter's "post-shot" flair or antics -- e.g. steering or lifting the cue off the table to one side of his/her body, etc. Mike Sigel likes to push or throw his cue to one side of his body (often the same side, throughout the rack) on almost every shot. It's just body-steering, 's all.
As for the stop-motion / shadows / where the cue tip is in the video, that's really hard to tell -- unless you have a video file/stream player with capabilities that others don't have (e.g. a player with slo-mo enhancement capabilities). Just a thought.
Not trying to be confrontational, but rather I hope this is helpful.
-Sean
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Thanks for being helpful but "many shots" and 3 & 4 rail cross banks have zero relevance to the shot we're looking at. All I have been doing is stating what is happening in the shot we're looking at. If you feel that's confrontational, I'm sorry. What I have said here is very obvious, and not at all difficult to see on the YouTube video when viewed with a run of the mill computer and monitor.
Several people here insist that what is easily observable here is not really happening and that their elaborate alternate versions, which are not observable, is what's really happening. You, for example, are now insisting that it's impossible to tell which side of the cueball is being hit when all you have to do is look at the video, utilizing the pause/unpause feature, and see the cue shaft quite obviously on the right hand side of the shadow thrown by the airborne cue ball.
Everything I said below is correct:
"There's nothing wrong with the rail or cushion.
It looks to be a small table but that is not relevant to the shot.
The CB is being hit on the right side. That is obvious from his stroke. It is also obvious if you look at the chalk marks on the table next to the CB from previous attempts. They are on the right hand side of the CB. It is also obvious if you use the pause/unpause button. The CB is airborne and the cue shaft is on the right hand side of the CB shadow prior to the cue being lifted to the right. As I said upthread the cuetip is digging up under the CB on the right hand side.
This is the trick to the shot. Both the CB and OB get airborne. The CB is airborne when it hits the OB which gets the OB airborne. That's how the OB gets enough spin to reverse so strongly to the right."
Sorry, but I prefer to believe my lyin' eyes, as they say.
So despite what everyone here has said, including the best banker in the world, you continue to refute. Many here have tried it and made it using the exact opposite of what you describe.
My question to you is, have you attempted the shot or are you simply going off what you've seen on the video?
It really doesn't matter either way. I have tried it myself (many different ways) and can make the shot, or at least a reasonable facsimile of it (meaning to pass the side and come back to the other, my table won't go that wide).