How do you level the ferrule?

jus7_1nsan3

jus7_1nsan3

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Hi AZers :) ,

I'm just curious what methods and tools do you use to level the ferrule when replacing a tip :)

Thank you ;)

PS : Although I don't have a lathe I've replaced a lot of tips and I know most of the tools but I am interested what different methods do you use ;)
 
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jus7_1nsan3 said:
Hi AZers :) ,

I'm just curious what methods and tools do you use to level the ferrule when replacing a tip :)

Thank you ;)
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I would assume you're talking about the side the tip is glued to. It would need to be faced off in a lathe or they also make a tool called a rapid cue top sander (if memory serves me). The sander is a little disk shaped tool to sand the top of the ferrule flat. Hope this is some help.http://www.poolndarts.com/p-3529-Rapid-Cue-Top-Sander/
 
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it is all done on a lathe !

btw/ there is a section where you can ask the mechanic here !!!:rolleyes:

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you did not say that in the OP before editing. that ok though, i usta improvise myself before i got a minilathe for my small poolroom years ago. i rigged up a screwgun. took a phillips screwdriver stuck it in the chuck and some heater hose on the handle of the screwdriver so i could stick the joint end of my shaft in there and whammo i was spinning my shaft as if it was in a lathe. it did take some craftyness to do a good job , but to me it was better than trusting someone else to do my tip work.
 
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oldzilla said:
it is all done on a lathe !

btw/ there is a section where you can ask the mechanic here !!!:rolleyes:
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Well the problem is that I don't have a lathe :D

I've replaced a lot of tips and I have tried some different tools but from my exeperience with the "Tweeten Cue Top Sander" I've left with the impression that it makes a very small angle in the end of the ferrule(really small angle). Of couse, if the tip is not hard it's not problem but if the tip is very hard(I mean very hard-for example break tip) it's just very annoying..
 
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oldzilla said:
it is all done on a lathe !

btw/ there is a section where you can ask the mechanic here !!!:rolleyes:
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For the best job, the old tip is removed and the ferrule is faced off in order to provide a flat surface on which to glue the new tip.
Save yourself some time, trouble, and expense and have your friendly neighborhood cue repair person do the job.
Thanks for letting me chime in OZ.
 
Tramp Steamer said:
For the best job, the old tip is removed and the ferrule is faced off in order to provide a flat surface on which to glue the new tip.
Save yourself some time, trouble, and expense and have your friendly neighborhood cue repair person do the job.
Thanks for letting me chime in OZ.
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I agree with Tramp Steamer. If you don't have a lathe either find one someone will let you, use/rent a lathe, or give it to someone that has one and knows what they are doing. $10 tip install every month or so just isn't that much money.
 
I have used every type of facing off tool there is but could "never" get the ferrel level so finally bought a Beginners lathe from tsp&b (Todd Shultz 217-320-2424) On az forum and have never looked back. However I have been told that if you take the disc sander approach take six turns to the left and the equal amount to the right it will true up pretty close. Hope this helps.
 
Thank you for the answers but I don't need someone to replace my tip :) I started this thread to ask you if you have some tips and clues for this proccess or something like this :)

jus7_1nsan3 said:
Well the problem is that I don't have a lathe :D

I've replaced a lot of tips and I have tried some different tools but from my exeperience with the "Tweeten Cue Top Sander" I've left with the impression that it makes a very small angle in the end of the ferrule(really small angle). Of couse, if the tip is not hard it's not problem but if the tip is very hard(I mean very hard-for example break tip) it's just very annoying..
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Without a lathe, good luck. You've gotten more than enough good answers on here, but you're not listening. If you want it faced of properly and accurately, you need to have it done on a lathe. By hand, you can come close, but you are only guessing doing it by eye. The only other way is to take a machinist's square to see where you're off, but doing the actual facing by hand is the problem you will have because unless you have a perfect setup or a jig, you can never get it perfect.

This is the big clue you are looking for:

If you want to do it by yourself, and want it done right, get a mini lathe. You can find one for about $500. If you don't want to do that, I hope someday, you get the answer you're looking for.


jus7_1nsan3 said:
Thank you for the answers but I don't need someone to replace my tip :) I started this thread to ask you if you have some tips and clues for this proccess or something like this :)
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Do you sand in both directions with your cue top sander. I have used mine for several years with no problems. I rotate the cue probably 4 or 5 times and sand in both directions.

Tips can be replaced quite well with out a lathe, though experience gained by practice is needed to get a nice finished product.

It is nice to support the local cue repair specialists, however I am not going to pay someone $40 to install a Mori or Kamui when I can do it myself.

That said, if I didn't know how, or didn't want to fool with it, I would pay someone to do it, much like other things in life.
 
SK Custom Cues said:
Without a lathe, good luck. You've gotten more than enough good answers on here, but you're not listening. If you want it faced of properly and accurately, you need to have it done on a lathe. By hand, you can come close, but you are only guessing doing it by eye. The only other way is to take a machinist's square to see where you're off, but doing the actual facing by hand is the problem you will have because unless you have a perfect setup or a jig, you can never get it perfect.

This is the big clue you are looking for:

If you want to do it by yourself, and want it done right, get a mini lathe. You can find one for about $500. If you don't want to do that, I hope someday, you get the answer you're looking for.
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ding, ding, ding...we have a winner
 
oldzilla said:
it is all done on a lathe !

btw/ there is a section where you can ask the mechanic here !!!:rolleyes:

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you did not say that in the OP before editing. that ok though, i usta improvise myself before i got a minilathe for my small poolroom years ago. i rigged up a screwgun. took a phillips screwdriver stuck it in the chuck and some heater hose on the handle of the screwdriver so i could stick the joint end of my shaft in there and whammo i was spinning my shaft as if it was in a lathe. it did take some craftyness to do a good job , but to me it was better than trusting someone else to do my tip work.
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i edited in the answer above, to post #6 below.

jus7_1nsan3 said:
Well the problem is that I don't have a lathe :D

I've replaced a lot of tips and I have tried some different tools but from my exeperience with the "Tweeten Cue Top Sander" I've left with the impression that it makes a very small angle in the end of the ferrule(really small angle). Of couse, if the tip is not hard it's not problem but if the tip is very hard(I mean very hard-for example break tip) it's just very annoying..
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SK Custom Cues said:
Without a lathe, good luck. You've gotten more than enough good answers on here, but you're not listening. If you want it faced of properly and accurately, you need to have it done on a lathe. By hand, you can come close, but you are only guessing doing it by eye. The only other way is to take a machinist's square to see where you're off, but doing the actual facing by hand is the problem you will have because unless you have a perfect setup or a jig, you can never get it perfect.

This is the big clue you are looking for:

If you want to do it by yourself, and want it done right, get a mini lathe. You can find one for about $500. If you don't want to do that, I hope someday, you get the answer you're looking for.
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there is some words of wisdom ret ther !

and the link for a mini lathe ret here
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=93212
 
I agree the mini lathe is the best bet, but the cue top sander works just fine. I used one for about ten years and still have the thing. Spinning it forward and reverse is the way to go, but the "crooked" ferrule in my opinion is from sanding the bottom of the tip. The tip squareness is the problem not the ferrule IMOP as I never had one bit of trouble with the top sander. The only thing I don't like about the tool is that it can ding the shaft, best bet is to wrap the shaft with some electrical tape about 2" or so under the ferrule.

The electrical tape has a little more cushion than other tape and its not as likely to transfer adhesive to the shaft like a duct tape would. Painters tape is too thin, if you use it add a couple more wraps.

You definitely don't need a lathe to do a good tip replacement, but I will say that it is a pain in the butt and you got to be patient. I can use a lathe and do a tip in minutes, by hand your looking at about a half an hour or more easily if your doing it right.

If you have a table saw you can get a sanding blade for it. Make sure the blade it zero'd out with the bed and lay the shaft flat and just give it a light touch once you get to the ferrule....as always use proper PPE when working with any power rotating equipment.
 
Supposing you didn't want to spend a bunch of money on a lathe just to replace a few tips, you could be inovative and spend $20. Take a Vee Block and sandwich a piece of sandpaper between the end of it and a flat piece of stock, clamping them together. Lay the shaft in the 'V' groove, with the ferrule butted against the sandpaper backed plate, and you will be able to sand the ferrule pretty close to, if not perfectly, perpendicular to the shaft.
 
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