How does a 'C' player become a 'B' player?

Gurnee_Steve

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In order to beat a 'B' player you need that confidence that you can do it, right? Do you develop that confidence by whipping up on fellow 'C' players? I find that I lose interest in this rather quickly. But, when I play the 'B' I tend to miss more easy shots and I think it all comes back to having confidence that I can beat him...almost like saying, "I don't deserve to win"...clank. Many times I beat the 'B' (I'd say 1 out of 3) but I don't think I've arrived until I can do it 2 out of 3.

A friend said, "Play the table, not the man". This friend has been #1 player in my league 10 out of the last 12 years so it's easy for him to say. He never has to play anybody better than him (almost never). Or, could it be that he has propelled himself to this level by 'playing the table' and blocking out the man?

Another friend told me I needed a 'swagger'. I know what he means and I can see it in the 'A' players. Do I need to really work on my pre-shot to the point that I'm doing a waltz?
 
Practice - then more practice.....and then more practice

All the swagger in the world isn't going to make u better.
 
Practice - then more practice.....and then more practice

All the swagger in the world isn't going to make u better.

That's for sure.

Find some drills and keep track of your progress if you want something tangible to improve on. Keep track of your misses for certain types of shots and see where your inconsistencies are...drill those the hardest.
 
Make more balls or miss less.

Follow these two rules:

1. Never overcut the object ball
2. Never undercut the object ball


:thumbup:
 
Mostly by betting with "B" players. Either you'll become one or go broke and give up the game. "C" players are made through practice (and little talent), "B" players have talent, but generally not enough time/committment to get to the next level and "A" players combine immense talent, practice and knowledge of the game. If you are beating "B" players 1 out of 3, you can't be all that bad, I'd say.

Better players do have a way of pulling their "A" game out early just to make lesser players worry and miss. So practice until you can do the same. Or so what bowler Dave Davis used to do. He never looked at his opponent while he was bowling. He'd turn his head the other way. However, in pool you might miss a foul or two....

tim
 
Getting to the next level

Play better players and study how they play. Pay attention to the English being used, the ball speed, and the shot selection. Once you find yourself calling the shots before they shoot them...you will have at least begun to master a skillset that is not there for "C" players. Recognizing ball patterns and shooting orders is very critical to winning. This is why Pros and top players make it look so easy. You absolutely must learn to play under pressure...I would say playing for money (cheap is better than for free!), tournaments, and leagues are the way to develop this aspect. Apart from this...practice, practice, and more practice. However, do not limit yourself to any one game. Broaden your horizon. Practice kicking balls, combos, banks, safeties, jumping balls, etc....
 
All good suggestions here.

One thing I can add, most C players don't know where center cueball actually is, learn to perfect your center cueball by knowing "exactly" where it is and you will come up a ball.
 
Pool is a funny game, only one player gets to the table at a time. Find someone who is a little better than you and make it your goal to beat them. Improve your break, consistency when pocketing balls, shot selection, and your safety play and you'll be on your way to being a "B"etter player.
 
Just play ME!

all a "C" player has to do become a "B" or an "A" IS PLAY ME!!!... Seems like everyone I know plays 3 balls better if I draw them for a match....:D
 
Adapted form a previous post of mine:

In my 40+ years around pool, I've noticed that the biggest difference between the C player and the B player is that "B level" is the first level at which players tend to play with the full range of strokes.

The C players I've watched over the years tend to stick to draw and follow, and also tend to restrict themselves to center and outside english. In other words, they rarely use stun strokes and rarely use inside english, and that's because they have no command of inside english and because stun draw, stun, and stun follow are outside their comfort zones, producing too many missed balls and missed shape. Lots of C players think they play with a full range of storkes, but few actually do.

Study 90 degree rule, and learn how to produce every angle off of the object ball. Learn draw, stun draw, stun, stun follow, and follow. Then learn to produce each of these strokes wit left english, center english and right english at the various speeds of stroke.

If you are a C player, I'll bet the house you are not playing with a complete stroke set, and unless you change this, you may never reach B level. You must do something about it. An instructor may ease your path, but I've seen many learn this on their own.
 
Ok, I'm gonna tell you. All you have to do is listen and do. This is IMHO the very best thing you can do for yourself.

1. Go directly to Accustats.com or any other source for pool video games. NOT INSTRUCTION ... games. Buy as many videos as you can to watch. I know you probably like 9 ball, but in the batch of videos, be sure to purchase at least a few straight pool videos. Watch them and LISTEN over and over.

2. Now for instructional videos, If you don't have Byrnes Vol. 1 & 2 buy them also.

3. As mentioned above practice practice practice ... BUT !
I'd like to elaborate on a few things. If you keep practicing the same stroke, the same stance the same thought processes in your mind, you most likely won't find what you are looking for and need. If something isn't working, change, and try other things. Watch the pro's stroke and delivery.

4. I've said this before also. Stop thinking your aim is off, (I know you think that's why you are missing sometimes) Its very important to understand that it's how you deliver the cue ball to the object ball that most likely is the cause of yours and everyone elses ( including mine) misses.

Selftaut mentioned the center of the cue ball. This is extremely important. I'll add to that if I may to keep your cue shaft parallel to the tables surface. Remember you're playing the game on a horizontal plane.

These are the things that bring confidence and confidence brings consistency.
 
...by getting kicked around by the A and B players for awhile. Don't hang your head when they are putting the beatdown on you either; watch, and learn something. Find drills (you should do many of them) and first focus on the ones that you have the most trouble doing. Move on to the next one. And I completely agree wih those who said WIDEN your scope of games played. Once you get there you'll realize how easy going from C to B is, and how much more hard work it'll take to get to A. :eek: lol It's a never ending cycle, but all in all a fun one to tackle.

I'm at that time in the year where the pool goes on hold (and maybe a bit of reverse), but that's only cuz I've went thru all that work in golf. This year, I'm going under a 2 handicap and staying there (lowest I've ever been is a 1.1 - when I played 120+ rounds a year).

Last bit of advice, don't completely beat yourself up if you aren't seeing huge leaps in progress....it happens at different rates for everyone, and if the gradual upturn in your game seems imperceptible...it probably only is to you. Willingness to work concurs a lot!!!
 
Play some 'A' players, better players will pull up your game, I matched up with better players than me for years knowing they would beat me but it made my game better.

Just my .02 cents.
 
Excellent advice your friend gave you about playing the table not the man. It's not easy to do, so you might want to get some tips from him on how he does this so well.

His performance record indicates to me that he follows his own device. Just because he's the best player doesn't mean he'll win all the time. Your league uses handicaps, right? So how does he continue to win all the time and not slack off to those easy opponents? He's playing the table, not the opponent.

I suggest that you spend some time practicing, rather than just playing, every time you go to the pool hall. Since you've already achieved a significant level of proficiency, I'd advocate that you focus on position drills and avoid shot making practice. It's not that you wouldn't benefit from practicing your shot making, just that you probably will gain substantially more working on getting shape.

make yourself a paper target and put it on the table where you want the cue ball to go. Than make a shot 25 - 50 times and try to get the CB onto the target. Pick a new shot to practice, move the target and do some more.

Forcing yourself to confront the results of your attempts gives you unbiased feedback about exactly how you're doing. Note which shots you do the most poorly on and work them more often.

Best of luck getting to B. Do this and you'll be there in no time.
 
So many different ways to answer as you can see by the previous posts.

IMO-
1-The jump is when you become more confident in making the shots that you can now play for the correct angles more often and be able to still
make the OB.

2- Learning when and how to duck. PLaying a simple safty is a C player shot. Learning to get better hooks leaving the wrong kicking angles or the angles you want them to kick out of.
Also knowing when to duck. B players duck more often and at better times then C players.

3-kicking ... C players kick with hope. If your a B level player you have some idea about the best way to kick and the easiest way. Some angles make the OB much bigger.


B level pool is the largest level IMO of actual pool players and not bangers.
B Level play can be wildly unpredicatable with success varying mostly on how well your opponnet is playing and how the tables are sitting. A level players depend more upon their own game and work out more difficult tables. AA and AAA own asses and dominate no matter what.
 
MOVE!!! If your living in NY, LA, CHI, big D, etc move to MEMPHIS, LITTLE ROCK, etc.

It's all relative:)
 
All of the advice here is pretty good. Here is something a little different that I am convinced is key to growing from intermediate to expert. Read it even though it's long, I swear it'll help you.

That key is to stop lying to yourself.

Every player that I've seen reaches their C-level with bad habits. If they're lucky, they don't have massive stroke flaws but they will still trick themselves into shooting the wrong shot, or hitting with the wrong english, or the wrong speed... because they have built up their shotmaking to rely on only using certain speeds and spins... or they have not figured out how to use natural position routes so they keep trying unnatural ones. They stick with what's familiar and convince themselves that every situation calls for a familiar use of english, because they'd rather hit a ball wrong than try a scary and unfamiliar shot (though it's the right shot). This goes back to what SJM is saying, and he's dead on so read that over again.

You have to start figuring out situations where you're lying to yourself and about to hit the shot incorrectly, and find an expert who is willing to tell you the proper shot. Sometimes you won't even need someone else's help, just do what common sense tells you.

Examples (and I'm liberally copy/pasting here):

· For me the hardest was learning to avoid english when it wasn't necessary.
You could call this self-deception in the sense that common sense tells you to hit certain shots without sidespin but you talk yourself into using it anyway.
I developed a bad habit of twirling every single shot in with low outside, whether I needed to or not. It got so bad, if I had a long straight shot that I needed to stop, I would hit with low left, trying to get the cb to draw drag to a stop... and simultaneously curve a little into the shot (and it would barely have the speed to reach the pocket a lot).

So after over 12 years of shooting, I had about 8 years worth of experience with outside and 4 year's worth with center and inside. I'm still catching up and suffering from it.

....
A lot of self-deception comes from an unwillingness to do whatever work is necessary to get the cue ball from point A to point B. Often moving that CB involves doing a shot you hate or a method you don't want to use.

· If you've got to pound the ball with force, then do it, don't settle for getting no movement or being stuck on a rail.

· If the angle is just too shallow and force isn't doing to work, then don't talk yourself into smashing the ball and jumping it off the table. If you are dead straight and on the rail and there's no realistic hope of getting across the table, bite the bullet and go rail first or bank or do whatever it takes, don't just add more sidespin and hope for the best.

· If the highest percentage play is to leave yourself a thinnish cut and just try hard to make it, then do that.

· Don't talk yourself into thinking a bank is higher percentage than a thin cut, in most cases it's not. You're just less comfortable with thin cutting and more frightened of missing them (maybe because "overcutting" a thin cut means you miss it entirely and you hate to be embarrassed by that). When the time is right to bank, you'll know it because you cannot even mentally visualize cutting the ball in. The attitude you want to have is "I will not bank unless there's a gun to my head". While we're at it, throw masse and kicks out the window except for when they are truly and absolutely necessary. If you can hit one of your object balls in a game of 8 ball, and you're considering masse/kicking on a different ball, punch yourself! Ok, don't do that, but the point is, do not try trick shots that will give up ball in hand when more sensible options are available. Save the circus shots for when you're truly hooked and there's no other option.

· Don't convince yourself that hitting with left spin will somehow force a ball to go more left after hitting the OB, or right will go more to the right, because when rails are involved it doesn't.

· Don't be that guy who says "ah I hit it too hard" or "I hit it too soft" when you miss the cut by 3 inches. If you miss the cut it's because you aimed at the wrong place, or your stroke delivered the tip to the wrong place.. and there's no comfort or value in convincing yourself it was some other reason.

· Don't cinch a ball with no english (or with your most comfortable english) knowing you'll be in trouble afterwards. You don't win games by making 1 ball now and screwing yourself 5 minutes later. Use the english needed to make the shot and get position, even if you might miss the ball as a result.

· Don't be that guy who gets no action on his draw stroke and tries to blame the equipment or stick. Don't say "I swear I hit it low!" because you probably didn't.

· DEFINITELY don't shoot any ball with no clear plan on what you're going to do next. Don't sink a ball when there's no hope of getting on the next shot and you'll be looking at a length of the table bank. At least have a plan even if it's a bad one.

I hope this is enough to get the general idea.

When you first start to eally focus on shooting without self-deception, pool will suddenly seem much harder. Every shot will seem foreign because you can't use the english and speed you're comfortable with every time. You WILL miss more balls. You will even lose more games. You will have to go backwards to a C- for a little while until you master these unfamiliar things before your game starts grinding forward to B. But I swear it will work and it's worth it.
 
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