You don't do it with "English", it's done with deflection.
How does Cory get shapes on this shot?
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You don't do it with "English", it's done with deflection.
You are a hero, 4 year old thread and updated the link for us!
Boy howdy on that! Many thanks!
Could give us an explanation?
So it's possible to do without English and impossible to do with a LD shaft?
Also I'll ask my original question again:
You found some top pros that don't know how to draw with inside english (or "deflection" in your case) to widen the angle?
I'm not sure why you would want to widen the angle
I'm not sure why you would want to widen the angle, in this example you would shorten it.
I'm not sure why you would want to widen the angle, in this example you would shorten it.
I'm very surprised at the number of responses from people stating they've never seen this shot!!
Buddy Hall shows this shot in a video from the early '80s. Buddy demonstrates how to use 4 rails to get around the table when the usual 3 rail won't work.
Now, did I foresee Cory using it here? Noooo Sir!!
But it should be in your arsenal....
-von
Buddy Hall shows this shot in a video from the early '80s. Buddy demonstrates how to use 4 rails to get around the table when the usual 3 rail won't work.
Now, did I foresee Cory using it here? Noooo Sir!!
But it should be in your arsenal....
-von
Depends on which side of the angle you're on I guess.
We can talk about semantics till the cows come home.
I'm sure you know what I'm referring to... if you don't want to answer the questions I asked it's cool.
You might be able to hit outside middle ball and zig zag through traffic down to the short rail. I like the draw best. If you hit it bad or too hard, you could end up on the short side of the 3 ball.
TOI will hold the cue ball because it kills on the rail. I'd dig in to the cue ball with a quick draw stroke and speed control. This gives the draw time to work. Outside sends the cue ball across the table before the draw takes.
Best,
Mike
TOI will hold the cue ball because it kills on the rail. I'd dig in to the cue ball with a quick draw stroke and speed control. This gives the draw time to work. Outside sends the cue ball across the table before the draw takes.
Best,
Mike
:thumbup:i never could get that video to load but i figured out the shot by the way you guys described it.
the 1st time i tried that shot with inside draw i pocketed the ball and the cueball went straight down the table for me to get a shot at the ball on the rail i was amazed. i definitely added that shot to my arsenal.
just for funsies the other night at league i set the balls up and asked a few guys how would they pocket that ball and get down table for the ball on the rail.
now mind you none of the guys were aware that i had asked others so none of them had seen anybody else there try it.
1st was one of my teamates " a 7" he used inside draw and got down table perfect. next was a 6 i knew. not only did he make it but explained to me how he was going to do it and why. again he also used inside draw.
next was a 5. he also made it using inside draw.
next was another 5 and he had no idea. i showed him how to make it and he said thanks he was going to practice that shot.
i am a 5 also and had no idea how to make that shot till i learned it on here. thanks.:thumbup:
it amazed me that 3 out of 4 apa players i asked knew that shot. admitidly these were all pretty good players in my league and it just reinforced my opinion that i still got a lot to learn.
the 1st time i tried that shot with inside draw i pocketed the ball and the cueball went straight down the table for me to get a shot at the ball on the rail i was amazed. i definitely added that shot to my arsenal.
just for funsies the other night at league i set the balls up and asked a few guys how would they pocket that ball and get down table for the ball on the rail.
now mind you none of the guys were aware that i had asked others so none of them had seen anybody else there try it.
1st was one of my teamates " a 7" he used inside draw and got down table perfect. next was a 6 i knew. not only did he make it but explained to me how he was going to do it and why. again he also used inside draw.
next was a 5. he also made it using inside draw.
next was another 5 and he had no idea. i showed him how to make it and he said thanks he was going to practice that shot.
i am a 5 also and had no idea how to make that shot till i learned it on here. thanks.:thumbup:
it amazed me that 3 out of 4 apa players i asked knew that shot. admitidly these were all pretty good players in my league and it just reinforced my opinion that i still got a lot to learn.
It'll work on old cloth, but you're right, it's a heck of a lot tougher. One of those shots that you really have to get a feel for the stroke you'll need to play it. I wouldn't have the nuts to play it given the other options he had for position.
:thumbup:i never could get that video to load but i figured out the shot by the way you guys described it.
the 1st time i tried that shot with inside draw i pocketed the ball and the cueball went straight down the table for me to get a shot at the ball on the rail i was amazed. i definitely added that shot to my arsenal.
just for funsies the other night at league i set the balls up and asked a few guys how would they pocket that ball and get down table for the ball on the rail.
now mind you none of the guys were aware that i had asked others so none of them had seen anybody else there try it.
1st was one of my teamates " a 7" he used inside draw and got down table perfect. next was a 6 i knew. not only did he make it but explained to me how he was going to do it and why. again he also used inside draw.
next was a 5. he also made it using inside draw.
next was another 5 and he had no idea. i showed him how to make it and he said thanks he was going to practice that shot.
i am a 5 also and had no idea how to make that shot till i learned it on here. thanks.:thumbup:
it amazed me that 3 out of 4 apa players i asked knew that shot. admitidly these were all pretty good players in my league and it just reinforced my opinion that i still got a lot to learn.
Did you try the updated link? the original one was changed.
Here it is. http://www.propoolvideo.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=154
Cory hit quite a few WOW shots this match!
first rack , the 2 ball bust then the 5 to the 6, .....a perfect out .
at 4:54, the shot on the 1, ......................so strong.
good match.
first rack , the 2 ball bust then the 5 to the 6, .....a perfect out .
at 4:54, the shot on the 1, ......................so strong.
good match.
That's what I was thinking - cross corner bank with the cue coming straigt from the lower rail up to the top rail. The other possibility might be straight into the corner pocket with a lot of low right english.
In general, what kind of shot set up would give the best results/effects for this spin of the 2nd rail?
I'd like to practice just the concept itself, irrespective of making the OB. I just want to see how the CB can hit the 1st rail with the extreme side spin, yet not 'take' until the 2nd rail.
Thanks!
I'd like to practice just the concept itself, irrespective of making the OB. I just want to see how the CB can hit the 1st rail with the extreme side spin, yet not 'take' until the 2nd rail.
Thanks!
One shot with similar funky results is this one, but it's actually much easier.
You're going rail-first with heavy low-left.
The spin doesn't actually 'fight' the first rail like corey's shot, it runs naturally
off the first rail, hits the OB, then spins off the 2nd rail.
I think the shot is easiest when the object ball is a little off the first rail (like 1/4", 1/2").
It can be tough if totally frozen to the rail.
You mostly are focusing on heavy sidespin. You don't need much draw.
It's a very fun shot, and if struck well the results may be even more extreme. You can
draw to the first diamond on the bottom rail.
