Bob Jewett said:
I was thinking the same thing. This is one of those shots that's far easier to pull off on new cloth. I mean, I could see myself doing it by accident and getting pissed about it!
How does Cory get shapes on this shot?
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I was thinking the same thing. This is one of those shots that's far easier to pull off on new cloth. I mean, I could see myself doing it by accident and getting pissed about it!
Bob Jewett said:
Yes, it will, if your Cory.... I seen Cory shoot this shot for the first time 7-8years ago on a tight GC with 860 Simonis that was 6-7 months old. I've seen him hit it from a few different angles as well. The diagram below is the sickest shot I have ever seen anyone complete. He it it at break speed on the said 6-7 month old cloth... Same shot as the thread topic but at this angle on old cloth IMO is way more impressive.
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Patrick Johnson said:
No not actually, I hit lots of low english shots on the cue ball without drawing the cue ball. Depends on the stroke that you apply to the shot. The low english is applied to allow the CB to come off the rail. (course you know that)
Similar to the shot I explained by a pocket. The shot is hit with low english, but with a stroke similar to a follow stroke, if that makes sense.
Also, I have practiced this shot on a bar table with older cloth. The OB is a lot closer to the rail, but, it can be done. I admit, the action is probably easier to attain and more consistent with newer cloth
the wow factor....
Man this is one of the reasons Corey is one of my favorite players to watch. He just does some amazing unorthodox shit that people would never dream of doing. I liked this shot as well. If I remember correctly, he hit that with lower left so that after making the 4 ball he came back, hit the rail, the english took and brought him up for the five. Nobody else would've played that shot that way. The guy is awesome.klockdoc said:I was just watching Pro Pool Videos on Dennis Hatch vs. Cory Deuel and this shot came up in the match. After pocketing the 3 ball, looks like Cory came up a little short on the preferred shapes on the 4 ball.
How do you think he got down on the 5 ball from here?
If you seen it, let others comment before posting answer. Thank you.
Dipsy-do.
Can you describe precisely what is a dipsy-do? This is the second time I have ever heard this term. The first time was when I heard Keith McCready say it to me and I didn't know what he meant by it then either. :smile:
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JoeyA
Can you describe precisely what is a dipsy-do? This is the second time I have ever heard this term. The first time was when I heard Keith McCready say it to me and I didn't know what he meant by it then either. :smile:
Thanks,
JoeyA
I would guess its more or less the same as what they call a "Sputnik" in the Philippines. The follow on the cue ball continues to grip the cloth after you have hit the rail, and it makes a more or less successful u-turn.
I am sure you have used that shot in 1-pocket, stealing money from rotation players who thought they could beat you in your own game, but if you havent, just send me 50 dollar and I can show you the shot next time we meet - maybe in Galveston:thumbup:
This is not a hard shot to do. You just barely see it come up in a match, because there are usually are more practical ways of getting to your next shot. And sometimes a lot of people just don't see this shot.
Corey's shot is done with just below centre with loads of left hand spin. The cueball just needs speed to get to the rail. Rodney's shot is the same. Stun with as much left spin as possible.
The idea is to hit it pretty firmly so the spin doesn't take right away on the first rail. But once it hits the 2nd rail it comes alive. The hit also has to be a pretty thick hit, if it's to thin the spin will take off the first rail.
Corey's shot is done with just below centre with loads of left hand spin. The cueball just needs speed to get to the rail. Rodney's shot is the same. Stun with as much left spin as possible.
The idea is to hit it pretty firmly so the spin doesn't take right away on the first rail. But once it hits the 2nd rail it comes alive. The hit also has to be a pretty thick hit, if it's to thin the spin will take off the first rail.
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Once the working link was posted I remembered watching this match once before.
That wasn't the first time I've seen Corey do basically the same thing.
From first-hand experience trying to get this shot to work in the way Corey did it,or the several variations I was shown by Grady,you will be REALLY surprised at how full you have to hit the object ball with a LOT of draw,and about a full tip (for me anyway) or maybe more for you of inside or left spin here.
There is also an example of Nick Varner doing basically the same thing in a little clip from Accu-Stat's that you can watch on the Billiards Digest home page under the Stroke of Genius link,but Nick gets it to work with what LOOKS like low RIGHT spin.
Nick's version takes almost the same type of shot,and sends the cue ball side to side,then takes a path something like Corey's did.
The difference here is the ball he was playing position on was in the middle of the end rail,and Nick had to be on the complete opposite side of the table,about where the 9 ball is on Corey's shot. Nick's cue ball comes off the 2 rails in that corner from there,and winds up about where Corey's cue ball is angle-wise,but on the other side of the table.
This is NOT the so-called Sputnik shot Efren and Bustamante use,that technique is something like what you would do if Corey had shot the 4 with severe inside left,and went 3 rails forward and wound up where he actually did.
That shot has to be hit like you aren't even serious about making it,and just goofing off trying something new.
This would be like Corey shooting this with high RIGHT,having the cue ball jump off the rail,come across table in a banana shape,and having the ball reverse and go 3 rails forward and leave whitey where the 9 was roughly.
What amazes me about this shot is how fully Corey is hitting the 4 to have done this.
The times I've gotten this shot to work it was much easier to have a steeper cut angle,and cut the ball in using more or less pure left side spin,and much less draw.
I've even used it when slightly underneath the object ball,and have to cut it backwards,and have the cue ball come 4 rails and put me in position to shoot the next ball down the long rail when it's close to the side pocket,and only makeable from that side and from close to it.
The shot I'm describing now is reliably done from the cue ball position where Corey shoots the 9 ball while completing the out.
(Update after this first post of mine. What I mean when I refer to how fully Corey hit the 4 to make the cue ball take it's path is this. If you make the ball but overcut it into the pocket,I don't think you CAN do what he does here. It also takes a world-class stroke,pretty new cloth and balls that are close to brand new as possible.)
In the places I typically get to actually play,what he did here would be an almost guaranteed one-rail scratch in the side.
Hope that makes it clearer and maybe more helpful. Tommy D.
That wasn't the first time I've seen Corey do basically the same thing.
From first-hand experience trying to get this shot to work in the way Corey did it,or the several variations I was shown by Grady,you will be REALLY surprised at how full you have to hit the object ball with a LOT of draw,and about a full tip (for me anyway) or maybe more for you of inside or left spin here.
There is also an example of Nick Varner doing basically the same thing in a little clip from Accu-Stat's that you can watch on the Billiards Digest home page under the Stroke of Genius link,but Nick gets it to work with what LOOKS like low RIGHT spin.
Nick's version takes almost the same type of shot,and sends the cue ball side to side,then takes a path something like Corey's did.
The difference here is the ball he was playing position on was in the middle of the end rail,and Nick had to be on the complete opposite side of the table,about where the 9 ball is on Corey's shot. Nick's cue ball comes off the 2 rails in that corner from there,and winds up about where Corey's cue ball is angle-wise,but on the other side of the table.
This is NOT the so-called Sputnik shot Efren and Bustamante use,that technique is something like what you would do if Corey had shot the 4 with severe inside left,and went 3 rails forward and wound up where he actually did.
That shot has to be hit like you aren't even serious about making it,and just goofing off trying something new.
This would be like Corey shooting this with high RIGHT,having the cue ball jump off the rail,come across table in a banana shape,and having the ball reverse and go 3 rails forward and leave whitey where the 9 was roughly.
What amazes me about this shot is how fully Corey is hitting the 4 to have done this.
The times I've gotten this shot to work it was much easier to have a steeper cut angle,and cut the ball in using more or less pure left side spin,and much less draw.
I've even used it when slightly underneath the object ball,and have to cut it backwards,and have the cue ball come 4 rails and put me in position to shoot the next ball down the long rail when it's close to the side pocket,and only makeable from that side and from close to it.
The shot I'm describing now is reliably done from the cue ball position where Corey shoots the 9 ball while completing the out.
(Update after this first post of mine. What I mean when I refer to how fully Corey hit the 4 to make the cue ball take it's path is this. If you make the ball but overcut it into the pocket,I don't think you CAN do what he does here. It also takes a world-class stroke,pretty new cloth and balls that are close to brand new as possible.)
In the places I typically get to actually play,what he did here would be an almost guaranteed one-rail scratch in the side.
Hope that makes it clearer and maybe more helpful. Tommy D.
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It's basically the same shot as if he were shooting straight in on the 4, drawing back and spinning it South off the rail...except he had to bounce it off the forward cushion first, without losing the spin hitting the ball and the rail. Very creative, very hard to judge the speed on it.
Klock, I'm glad you brought this one back. I had missed it before. It's amazing, I never ever ever see this shot (which comes up all the time) played that way. There's a shot where it's almost frozen to the rail and you go rail first with inside, but this one looks substantially harder. I honestly can't wait to try it.
Here's the shot for those who cbf with the link:
While we're at it, how do you guys like his decision and finesse at 2:00?
He COULD play to leave the cue ball for a 6-10 combo but I guess it's not on. He could also play shape on a safety. But he opts for very precise, semi risky shape on the side pocket shot.
Here's the shot for those who cbf with the link:
While we're at it, how do you guys like his decision and finesse at 2:00?
He COULD play to leave the cue ball for a 6-10 combo but I guess it's not on. He could also play shape on a safety. But he opts for very precise, semi risky shape on the side pocket shot.
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Your english shown is wrong, it's bottom left not bottom right.