How many sets do you play if you are in a bad game, before you ask for an adjustment

So the general consensus is TWO sets? Really? You really think two sets tell you if you can win or not, or is everyone just so scared to lose that they won't try any more than that?

The people telling others they are suckers if they lose more than this are the ones who are out there looking for suckers. No one makes sense....

I play even and if I lose, I evaluate whether I played poorly or am just outmatched. If the latter, I usually will play the person again even just to try and play better, but it takes a lot for me to ask for weight. When I was growing up, I would just go play someone a little better than me until I could beat them... then move on up the ladder.

Here is a good game I had the other night and it shows some class:

I was playing a guy I have known for about 10 years some cheap $10 a game with the last 3. I got up 6 games right off the bat and he never quit or said a word about anything.. I got a little bored with the game, but my opponent kept fighting and ended up actually getting up a couple games.. This is great, someone who fights and doesn't complain if they are down a little. I ended up tightening up and came out ahead about 14 games. Anyways, I went to the room the next day and they guy wanted to play again with a small adjustment... This is how it should be... If you are losing, at least give yourself a chance to try and win. This guy's game has gone up about 3-4 balls in the last couple years because he has the guts to keep trying.

If it all about the money, why play at all? Why even spend the money on practice? Why even come to the pool room, you can buy beer or soda at the supermarket cheaper and sit home and watch TV by yourself. What is the motivation to even pick up a cue? Few do this for a living, it is a hobby. Much of the thrill comes from competition not sitting in the chair scared to death waiting for a lock. I can't tell you how many guys I have beat who maybe could have won but they got scared, you put a little pressure on them and they fold and quit. In fact with the inexperienced player you almost can depend on it, that is why you can give weight so freely. They can't even tell when they have a good game because they are too scared to even play long enough to find out.

Years ago I used to use a method to manage my money. My pool money was separate, the backroll may go up and down but I never spent it, it was just for pool. I learned this from a dog player. It allowed me to not see the money as representing a bill I had to pay or not raise a bet when I knew I should because I didn't have the money. I am sure I also felt much less pressure as well. All I cared about was playing the game and see what happened. Of course within reason, you can't just be a sucker. But a sucker is also the guy who quits a game he could have won at, only to see another guy in the room take the player off after they quit and realizing the guy wasn't that good a player in the first place.

Every match up is different.
Player A. may beat player B.
Then player C. beat player A.
While player B. then beats player C.
You don't know what will happen in any given the match till it is played out.
You learn that real quick when you side bet.
 
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Where I come from, real players don't need no stickin spot.......

I'd be ashamed of myself if I was asking for any type of spot and then ask for adjustment if I wasn't playing good.

If my skill was not that of the other person, I just would not play.

All this shows is that winning is more important than the quality of the win. If you can't win heads up, well, practice and don't ask for gimmes like the OWS crowd.
 
..If my skill was not that of the other person, I just would not play.

All this shows is that winning is more important than the quality of the win. If you can't win heads up, well, practice and don't ask for gimmes like the OWS crowd.
You obviously speak from the perspective of one who either doesn't play for $, or doersn't get played as ofter as would be posible.

Whicha one?
 
Hell yes. That is just smart management of the situation: if you win 2 and he wants to adjust then you know his threshold for the day. If you choose to give the spot after 2 sets, then after you get even you ask for an adjustment again or no mas. The same courtesty should be extended.

The # of sets is irrellevant, re managaemnt of situation, but I gree that 2 sets is generally not concrete evidence of a matchup's participants
And when was the last time you got a spot, much less played even any way? I am not sure you are qualified to speak on the matter of getting a spot, thank you, Sir. :bowdown: Please do not kill me.

No, It is not hell yes, it just tags you as a nit not worth playing. In your example the guy who asks for the spot after 2 sets may really need it and it became obvious not he is a nit The fact that he got a few sets back may only mean you have a fair game now you will have to play hard at to win. You have no idea if he will quit again at two sets or he may chase his money with the better game and go off. But then you will never know because you quit.
It is a bad atmosphere in a pool room when it is all nits playing nits trying to lock each other up and no money ever really changing hands.
I think we need to be talking about real players and not, "What will a nit do". We already know that.
Real players (and they don't have to be great players) will play for hours and be and be down and be up again and they may do this day after day.
 
Where I come from, real players don't need no stickin spot.......

I'd be ashamed of myself if I was asking for any type of spot and then ask for adjustment if I wasn't playing good.

If my skill was not that of the other person, I just would not play.

All this shows is that winning is more important than the quality of the win. If you can't win heads up, well, practice and don't ask for gimmes like the OWS crowd.

Of course you need spots, otherwise how will any games ever get played. Players all play at different levels, only making the games competitive with a spot can any game get played. You say you would just not play, "WHAT"!! I don't care if the guy is a world champion, make a game I like and I will play.

You are in fact cheating yourself of great playing experiences, the whole reason you spend your time practicing. Practice is the prelude to competing, if you don't compete you are cheating yourself, you spend you life on the side lines and that's just sad.
 
Player 1 (me)- I get 2 sets winner and player 2 (you;)) asks to adjust.
You get even and I require you to adjust, in order to continue play. Just so we are on the same page,

I disagree. I say the degree of nittiness was established by the first player (you;)) , when (you;)) asked to adjust when (you;)) were down 2. I obliged, reason not important. If you can't see that then this shall be a short conversation.

True, nobody is gonna make any money adjusting after each 2 set swing, but I wasn't gonna win anything with (you;)) needing to adjust after 2sets anyways, was I?

No, It is not hell yes, it just tags you as a nit not worth playing. In your example the guy who asks for the spot after 2 sets may really need it and it became obvious not he is a nit The fact that he got a few sets back may only mean you have a fair game now you will have to play hard at to win. You have no idea if he will quit again at two sets or he may chase his money with the better game and go off. But then you will never know because you quit.
It is a bad atmosphere in a pool room when it is all nits playing nits trying to lock each other up and no money ever really changing hands.
I think we need to be talking about real players and not, "What will a nit do". We already know that.
Real players (and they don't have to be great players) will play for hours and be and be down and be up again and they may do this day after day.
 
sets?

Sets? Whadda you mean sets? I start whining halfway through the first game I'm losing. Move into sniveling by the second game. By the third game I'm into full blown sharking, cursing, and kicking the table when I miss a shot. If somebody still wants to keep playing me after all of that I ask for the moon and two stars to play another set!

I can't really answer your question because so much depends on the exact situation. First question, how did you get into a bad game? If it is with a total stranger you have never seen hit a ball you should be playing cheap enough that you can lose a couple three sets and quit if you are badly outclassed. If it is somebody you know and know their game you can answer the question far better for yourself than anybody else can. Is it a one night thing or have your relative skills changed?

The real deal is that you learn the dozens of small tells that reveal a player's speed regardless of how they are playing at the moment. How does he move around the table and handle his equipment? How about his shot selection and how he makes balls or misses? How does he play shape? I know most people's speed close enough after watching them five minutes. Nobody hides their speed for thirty minutes. A friend of mine played in several weekly poker games that he was dominating. Just for grins he sometimes played an entire night never looking at his hole cards, just pretending to and reading the other players. He kept right on winning without ever seeing a hole card. Pool players give off more tells than poker players. Learning to read these tells and decent bankroll management keeps you out of bad situations.

When you are in a bad game with a stranger and think you need an adjustment remember the words of UJ Puckett and no doubt many another shrewd gambler, "I gave them what they wanted but not what they needed" or words to that effect. The person getting weight loses the vast majority of the time. If you need weight from someone you don't play regularly you are probably going to lose. Of course if you can sucker them into giving weight when they need it . . . :thumbup:

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Player 1 (me)- I get 2 sets winner and player 2 (you;)) asks to adjust.
You get even and I require you to adjust, in order to continue play. Just so we are on the same page,

I disagree. I say the degree of nittiness was established by the first player (you;)) , when (you;)) asked to adjust when (you;)) were down 2. I obliged, reason not important. If you can't see that then this shall be a short conversation.

True, nobody is gonna make any money adjusting after each 2 set swing, but I wasn't gonna win anything with (you;)) needing to adjust after 2sets anyways, was I?

The reality is, unless the game is really out of line and you knew from the start the guy was going to have to pull up. You were already planing to give him a spot to make him chase his money. If on the other hand the guy quits after two hill hill sets claiming he needs weight, 1, you probably can't give him anything and 2, he is telling you he won't lose anything anyway and is not worth the risk of your money with the spot. In that case make an excuse to quit and if he wants he can play some more later the same way that is fine.

You could however give him the spot and see what happens but as you say don't lose anything to him since he has already indicated he probably won't lose anything. You never know though, even a nit can get their nose open. Every situation is different but I don't think trying to manage a game based on the score without taking a look at how it got that way makes any sense. It is also hard sometimes to define a bad game.

I learned a trick for a player years ago where if you are losing and the momentum seems to be going his way, quit. You can go as far as to put your cue away and even pay the bill, before saying, "You know what, lets play some more". It can be amazing, just letting the guy hold your money for a while and calming down from the threat of competition maybe even already mentally spending your money can change everything. Mean time I know I am going to play some more and I am mentally gearing up for it.

I remember once missing a 9 ball as the guy off to the side looked like he was going to quit. It was not on purpose I just missed it. I went from like $400.00 winner to like $500.00 loser over the rest of the night. It just prayed on my mind the whole time it was over and now was getting away from me. I could not believe how everything just turned and I let it happen.

The next night I made a comeback and finished him off this time but it can happen when the edge is small and the game is close. Unless you play nothing but locks and suckers losing is part of the game. The fear of losing itself can become a "self-fulfilling prophecy". and the player can't make an honest assessment a game. They are so afraid of losing be it, the money or fear of looking like a sucker in the pool room they can't get up the nerve to play even when they truly feel they can win.

You see it in business all the time someone with an idea but so afraid of failing they never do it.
In the words of Danny DeVito from "Tinmen", "Sometimes you have to just go with your balls".
 
I think it was ol' Lord Polonius who said, "Never ask for weight, or give it." And I don't. I don't gamble for the fun of it; I gamble when it's the only way to get to play someone I can't get to play without doing it. If someone wants to play and asks for weight, I say something like, "You're either good enough to play me, or you aren't. Pick one." Harsh, I guess, but all the begging gets old after awhile.

If I lose, I think of it as tuition. Then I make the best adjustment: work on my game.

I'm thinking of getting a solid-black t-shirt made with "NIT" in bold, white letters. Sort of an answer to all those "Hustler" shirts I'm seeing everywhere.
 
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I don't ask for weight. I play even, and if I lose, I lose.

I have accepted weight before, on rare occasions, when I have had the chance to play someone better than me over a longer period of time (I did this with Ginky back in the day).

I also only ever play for what I can afford to lose (and afford to pay if I lose), which often in the past was not a lot. The combination of being a good player but not playing for more than I could afford to pay for comfortably if I lost has sometimes pissed off good players when I beat them, but so be it.

These days I can play for a little more, because I'm lucky enough to be relatively financially secure. That wasn't a result of pool, by the way.
 
The reality is, unless the game is really out of line and you knew from the start the guy was going to have to pull up. You were already planing to give him a spot to make him chase his money. If on the other hand the guy quits after two hill hill sets claiming he needs weight, 1, you probably can't give him anything and 2, he is telling you he won't lose anything anyway and is not worth the risk of your money with the spot. ...go with your balls".

1 is irrelevant. you set the standard of adjust when one person is 2 sets winner. if you won't do the same when the shoe is on the other foot then you hav a very small liklihood of playin a set into my pocket.
 
how any games / sets

i will go for 10 sets race to 9 before i adjust you can't make any determination on your opp. ability on inability based on anything shorter you should give yourslf a chance to open up those ten sets could be over a 2 day period 5 one day & 5 on another
 
i will go for 10 sets race to 9 before i adjust you can't make any determination on your opp. ability on inability based on anything shorter you should give yourslf a chance to open up those ten sets could be over a 2 day period 5 one day & 5 on another


How can you have a rule like that and share it without punctuation how about tha advice you might offer if a stone champ moves to your town do you play 10 sets because that is your rule or could it be possible that your policy might not be a good rule
 
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1 is irrelevant. you set the standard of adjust when one person is 2 sets winner. if you won't do the same when the shoe is on the other foot then you hav a very small liklihood of playin a set into my pocket.

1. is relevant in that he is asking for a spot he does not need and if you just call it quits that is his problem. That was the point, you are not quitting winner or being a nit by no wanting to give up a spot, he doesn't need. The chances are if he has any game in him at all he will play, or he won't. Either way, who cares if he wants to leave his money on the table and not try to win it back or bust you for that matter, that is his problem.
 
My betting strategy is based on a scientific formula factoring in whether the window in the mens room is big enough for me to climb out of.
 
I am old school

and old school was you don't ask for a spot unless you have lost 3 sets or $500, whichever comes first. BUT, if I got beat bad for 2 sets, I would probably just quit, and consider myself lucky.

Although, it is the hustler's code to just beat them by enough to keep them playing, like 7-5 or 7-6. That way, they really can not ask for a spot, and they will keep playing. Another hustler's trick is to let them win the first set, and then turn it on. That way, they always think they can beat you because they did it once.
 
i always try to outrun the nuts
once i get behind,i like to jack the bet or quit
if that doesn't work i jack it again
if i am still losing,i conclude that i can't win

then i play someone else
by now the rail is ready to give me odds or handicap
they know i'm not a nit
they know i play high without the nuts

so i figure i am in a spot to bust the whole room in a few games
sometimes this works

come to dallas
i am almost too old to play so hurry on down
 
And that my friend is a sucker!

Don is no sucker. And, another thing he's not is a nit. Don plays top level one pocket players all night long for amounts that would scare the chit out of your candy azz.

If you can't stand to take a beating like a man, go back to the APA.
 
It's all relative

If I'm in over my head and it's cheap then BFD. I'll play until half my days wages are gone. As long as the other guy didn't make more than me today I'm fine. I'll do better than him economically tomorrow. There's always something to be learned playing better players. Lesser players, not so much. So if you want to improve it's gonna cost at times. I'm not saying be a chump but don't be afraid of some recreation. It kills me how people will sit and feed lottery machines with zero chance of winning yet won't play a set for $25 for fear of losing their manhood.

JC
 
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