how would you all play this shot?

Wow - I haven't been checking out this thread in a while. Lots going on.

That bank in the side is a losing move, imo. If you hit it GOOD, it'll likely hit the outside point and sell out the 9 ball. If you hit it PERFECT, it can be made - but good luck with that. The only good probable outcome is to hit short/long and get a safety out of it.

Why not just MAKE the ball by banking it straight back? I mean, if you're going to play a 2-way, play a 2-way with a shot that's a decent probability to make it.

I'm not even thinking two-way... I'm probably going to rocket-fire this ball right in its home, worrying only about sticking that CB to the rail.

Banking towards the side is inviting your opponent to the table again... and that's a bad thing. End the game from here.
 
Maniac said:
I just don't see what all the fussin' and fightin' is about. Geez, I made this shot 3 out of 3 tries (see post #12) and I pretty much SUCK at pool. If the actual shot is EXACTLY as the original poster has it diagrammed, with both the object ball and the cue ball on the center line, and the cueball EXACTLY in the middle of the table, and the object 1/2 diamond off of the foot rail, then I would think any player worth his/her salt SHOULD be able to bank this shot on a fairly regular basis.

As I stated before, with much on the line (money, case match, etc.) a person might not have the backbone to attempt this shot as a miss could surely sell-out the game. And, as others have posted before, tight pockets could make one change his/her mind about the shot.

Keep in mind that I myself am a safety-minded person and I can see the probable need to shoot one here if the game in question is an all-important one. All I'm saying here is that the long bank is not all that difficult for a shooter of any ability at all.

Ya'll quit bickering and go shoot some pool!!!!

Maniac
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It's the equipment differences. It's almost seems like we're speaking a different language sometimes.

Chris
 
Drew said:
I like to bank this shot to the side pocket. If you miss, which you probably will, it leaves the long rail safe (page 2).

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the only way to bank this ball in the side is to shoot it so that it is rolling slowly and drops in the side pocket. in order to get the cue ball to travel the path shown, you would have to hit the object ball harder and it can't go in the side at that pace.
 
TATE said:
It's the equipment differences. It's almost seems like we're speaking a different language sometimes.

Chris
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I did mention the tight pockets in my last post.

To me, this shot is all about what is on the line.

I also mentioned that I pretty much suck at pool, so there is a lot of things (mostly physics) on this thread that is a different language to me.

Believe you me, I know my place in the pool world and it's somewhere looking up :o.

I think I'll leave this thread to those who are more qualified to speak on this shot :sorry:.

Maniac
 
SpiderWebComm said:
Wow - I haven't been checking out this thread in a while. Lots going on.

That bank in the side is a losing move, imo. If you hit it GOOD, it'll likely hit the outside point and sell out the 9 ball. If you hit it PERFECT, it can be made - but good luck with that. The only good probable outcome is to hit short/long and get a safety out of it.
Why not just MAKE the ball by banking it straight back? I mean, if you're going to play a 2-way, play a 2-way with a shot that's a decent probability to make it.

I'm not even thinking two-way... I'm probably going to rocket-fire this ball right in its home, worrying only about sticking that CB to the rail.

Banking towards the side is inviting your opponent to the table again... and that's a bad thing. End the game from here.
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This is my problem anytime I try to shoot for the "pro" or safe side of a pocket. The point becomes about the same size as a Mack truck coming at you sideways and I catch the point every time, selling out. There is that huge hairy azzed point in between the pocket and the safe rail that everyone seems to ignore when talking about these shots.

If I can play a two way shot where I make the ball and get a cue ball safe if I miss that is fine but I seem to sell out anytime I try to play both ways with the object ball.

Hu
 
SpiderWebComm said:
Wow - I haven't been checking out this thread in a while. Lots going on.

That bank in the side is a losing move, imo. If you hit it GOOD, it'll likely hit the outside point and sell out the 9 ball. If you hit it PERFECT, it can be made - but good luck with that. The only good probable outcome is to hit short/long and get a safety out of it.

Why not just MAKE the ball by banking it straight back? I mean, if you're going to play a 2-way, play a 2-way with a shot that's a decent probability to make it.

I'm not even thinking two-way... I'm probably going to rocket-fire this ball right in its home, worrying only about sticking that CB to the rail.

Banking towards the side is inviting your opponent to the table again... and that's a bad thing. End the game from here.
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Because:
I don't get lucky.
I can't make that bank.
I don't want to give up the easy bank.

Therefore the only 2 options for me are to try to cut that ball or to play safe. If the ball was a little bit further from the rail, I'd definitely just cut it and win the game. But since it's too close to the rail then I have to play safe. I don't like giving up the short rail bank because my opponent is likely to make that shot or give me back the same damn shot I just played safe on (only longer and harder this time). Leaving the cross corner bank is not an option because it's too close to leaving a shot he can make. I have to leave the long rail bank so that he goes flying at it (like everybody in this thread wants to do).

So again, I'm not trying to make a ball in the side; that would be stupid. The side pocket is just something to aim at while controlling the speed to lag the ball to the head rail. The bonus is to stick the CB on the foot rail...but really, anywhere on that end of the table is fine as long as you're controlling the OB speed. If you were me, you would know that if there's a chance for a bad roll, then you're gonna get it.

BTW: I've found ways to scratch in that side pocket at higher speeds and steeper angles. So it must be possible to make the ball in there, right?

And Tate: I've tried that shot too. I've seen it done very well but I can never seem to hold my rock to traveling only a few inches. I usually end up leaving the make-able cut in the corner.

Anyway, I'd never bet I can make that bank in the side. But I will bet I can come out safe. Against a player of equal skill, I like my chances of winning this game. It's the best shot for me to take, so I shoot it. Other players might not like that option and might play something different. There's no wrong answer in pool. There's only winning and losing.

Fleas, you probably should refrain from posting until you know a little bit about this game. Just a suggestion :wink:
 
2_Fast_4_Fleas said:
Drew i see that you still cant make the cueball travel that path huh? :wave2: :wave2: :wave2: :wave2: :wave2:
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Actually I can. I can do it hitting hard or soft. Would I bet that I can make both OB and CB follow that "exact" path every time? Of course not. But I will bet that I'll beat you from that layout.

Like I said, learn a little bit more about pool before you start running your mouth.
 
Drew said:
Because:
I don't get lucky.
I can't make that bank.
I don't want to give up the easy bank.

Therefore the only 2 options for me are to try to cut that ball or to play safe. If the ball was a little bit further from the rail, I'd definitely just cut it and win the game. But since it's too close to the rail then I have to play safe. I don't like giving up the short rail bank because my opponent is likely to make that shot or give me back the same damn shot I just played safe on (only longer and harder this time). Leaving the cross corner bank is not an option because it's too close to leaving a shot he can make. I have to leave the long rail bank so that he goes flying at it (like everybody in this thread wants to do).

So again, I'm not trying to make a ball in the side; that would be stupid. The side pocket is just something to aim at while controlling the speed to lag the ball to the head rail. The bonus is to stick the CB on the foot rail...but really, anywhere on that end of the table is fine as long as you're controlling the OB speed. If you were me, you would know that if there's a chance for a bad roll, then you're gonna get it.

BTW: I've found ways to scratch in that side pocket at higher speeds and steeper angles. So it must be possible to make the ball in there, right?

And Tate: I've tried that shot too. I've seen it done very well but I can never seem to hold my rock to traveling only a few inches. I usually end up leaving the make-able cut in the corner.

Anyway, I'd never bet I can make that bank in the side. But I will bet I can come out safe. Against a player of equal skill, I like my chances of winning this game. It's the best shot for me to take, so I shoot it. Other players might not like that option and might play something different. There's no wrong answer in pool. There's only winning and losing.

Fleas, you probably should refrain from posting until you know a little bit about this game. Just a suggestion :wink:
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I hear ya. If you feel you can win the game from there the majority of the time - then it's the move for you, for sure. For me, I'm equally likely to lose on the next shot against a good player (if I don't make the ball) regardless -- so all things being equal, I like to put someone away with one shot and not let that second inning take place.

This bank isn't what I'd consider a TOUGH bank. It's not a gimme, but it's really realistic. If you don't feel comfy with that bank - that's your answer. Bank it until you are. Align your cue on the edge of the CB you're looking to bank towards and have it point at the same OB edge. With a longer bridge, just pivot to the center of the CB (maybe 1/2 tip beyond to offset the little CIT) and you'd be shocked at your %s. Don't be intimidated by banks.... bank them the hell in :)
 
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SpiderWebComm said:
I hear ya. If you feel you can win the game from there the majority of the time - then it's the move for you, for sure. For me, I'm equally likely to lose on the next shot against a good player (if I don't make the ball) regardless -- so all things being equal, I like to put someone away with one shot and not let that second inning take place.

This bank isn't what I'd consider a TOUGH bank. It's not a gimme, but it's really realistic. If you don't feel comfy with that bank - that's your answer. Bank it until you are. Align your cue on the edge of the CB you're looking to bank towards and have it point at the same OB edge. With a longer bridge, just pivot to the center of the CB (maybe 1/2 tip beyond to offset the little CIT) and you'd be shocked at your %s. Don't be intimidated by banks.... bank them the hell in :)
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I'd bank it on the bar table :thumbup:

But you're right, I probably should just work on my banks. I hate them. That's why I suck at one-hole. Sometimes I hit that bank so bad it goes three rails into the other corner. I guess that's a winning shot!!
 
2_Fast_4_Fleas said:
Ladies and Gentlemen introducing in this forum "Drew The Diabolical" he is a champion of cueball Misdirection & Mayhem! Formerly known as Miscue and Missalot :D
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I am thinking both Drew and and can spot you the 8 in 9 ball.

9-7 in One Pocket.

15 points in Rotation.

2 game on the wire in a race to 5, Last Pocket 8 ball.

Do you actually PLAY pool, sir?

Russ
 
Wonder how much action the next poster asking for help regarding a shot will get?

The shot to the side is hard and may go but I don't think anyone needing a win would make this their first option. I do know that if you miss above the side by a couple diamonds the OB will come real close to pocketing in the other side.

The slow stroke talked about is like the one used to get the CB down table when you wrong side yourself shooting into the side. I see people all the time hit with left or right and hard thinking they will get more stuff. This hard hit causes the CB to move off the forward line. The slow long stroke doesn't.
 
cut shot all day long...it ain't nothing but a clip shot from that far off the rail. Closer to the rail its all day gone away on the box(so easy a cave man can do it)

If its close to the rail the only table I'm trying to play safe on maybe is a diamond, I have confidence to pocket the ball, just would hate to see it rattle in the hole. So closer to the rail on a tight diamond I'm playing safe depending on how the $$$ are laying and the score of the match. If I'm up good then I'll just go for it, if I'm down too much then safety.

cuts like a knife,
Grey Ghost
 
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