Game is 8ball, you're stripes. I had a botched run-out and was left with this horrible situation. What would you do here?
How Would You Play This? 4/1/10
- Thread starter Jude Rosenstock
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Cross-bank?
I suppose you could cross-bank the last ball and hope to break the 8-ball from the cluster of low balls?? A hero shot for sure but it looks like it's ON from the diagram. I don't see a good safe or a better way to MAYBE get out.
I suppose you could cross-bank the last ball and hope to break the 8-ball from the cluster of low balls?? A hero shot for sure but it looks like it's ON from the diagram. I don't see a good safe or a better way to MAYBE get out.
I assume the 8 doesn't bank, otherwise the cross over bank would be the shot.
I don't play 8 ball, but I would probably try a break out, low right rail first, hit it pretty hard to knock the 8 up table and get a shot.
Chris
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That's what I would do, too. You lose most of the ime from here so why not take a chance to win. And I would try to have the cueball hit the 5 ball w/a little speed to break out the 8 and create space. It looks like if you go between the rail and other blocking ball, you may get trapped.
Dave
against a run out opponent? firm inside power draw. cheat & throw OB in. Break out 8.
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It's difficult to see how possible the power draw break up is, but if it's not good, then here's a safe. You gotta be a good kicker to execute it, else your opponent will be on the one, although if so, that shouldn't be the end of the game.
The cross-bank has a huge kiss in it, and I don't think there is any percentage in playing safe here because your opponent can easily put you in just as bad or worse of a spot on the return shot, especially with BIH. You are effectively playing 9-ball now, since you only have 1 ball you can legally hit, but he is still playing 8-ball, and if he can play at all, he's going to keep you sewed up tighter than a gnat's bunghole for the rest of the game. I think you just have to take your medicine and try to get out while you have this one clear shot at something. I would shoot Tate's shot. Even if you miss the cluster, you will at least be above the 8 where you can roll onto it and hope for your opp. to make a mistake. Sometimes your best winning percentage lies in a low-percentage shot, and I think this is one of those cases.
Aaron
Aaron
I should have mentioned something about the equipment since that's pretty important. On new cloth, you're 100% right. I would have drawn the crap out of it and broken it out. It was very old cloth and I was sure to either miss it completely or move the blockers insignificantly.
I think this is the best option posted so far. Before I read it, I was thinking that you need to get your 12 ball close to the side pocket near the 8 so you would have a surer chance at a successful break-out. But the solution hbend gives, IMO, is your best shot at winning this game.
if were talking about having a fun game, long rail into the 12, two rails out of the opposite corner and then into the cluster, but I like to play 3 cushion so I see things a little strange sometimes. I think the angle lies better than trying to draw the hell out of it. Everything else that's been said already works too. Maybe even just bank your 12 out into the middle of the table so you cant be hooked as easy.
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I would play off the 12 leaving the a hard run out. No one I know could run the solids the way they are tied up with the 8. If you can draw up the break out and run out I would love to see it.
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I would play off the 12 leaving the a hard run out. No one I know could run the solids the way they are tied up with the 8. If you can draw up the break out and run out I would love to see it.
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Call safe, pocket the 12 with a touch of high left. Leave the cueball on the middle diamond on the end rail. His runout is too low percentage to go for, and depending on how his cb control is, you will probably be left with a hit on 8. Not ideal, but decent option depending on the speed of your opponent.
Chuck
Chuck
What is the strategic advantage by doing this? Admittedly, your opponent probably will not run out but assuming he allows you back to the table, neither will you.
I don't think giving up bih would be very wise. I don't see how a decent player with bih would be in trouble by you doing this. It would be like jumping out of the frying pan into the fire.
My first choice would be the suggestion by Tate, however from the looks of the layout it may not be possible with power draw. It looks like it would have to be hit much softer than that to get the cue ball reach the cluster (unless it's new cloth like Jude said). With a softer hit there will not be much movement on the eight so that attempt might be fruitless.
Second choice and what appears to be the best option is the cross bank for the break out. It doesn't seem to have a kiss involved as someone else suggested. I believe that if you don't attempt something now and you get back to the table again the next time you will have much less than you have now.
I certainly wouldn't make my ball and try to break out the 8. If you miss, you're really in deep then.
I might thin the 12, and spin in behind it from the bottom rail, attempting to hook them, or just let them see the cluster to let them break it out.
Getting the 12 on the rail, between the pocket and the 8 also might play to your advantage.
This isn't going to be a quick solution. Wish you would have asked what I would do, two shots before...
I might thin the 12, and spin in behind it from the bottom rail, attempting to hook them, or just let them see the cluster to let them break it out.
Getting the 12 on the rail, between the pocket and the 8 also might play to your advantage.
This isn't going to be a quick solution. Wish you would have asked what I would do, two shots before...
Again, depending on the speed of the opponent, I would safe him until I had an open shot on the 8. I dont see a reason to overly disturb the cluster with the 8 yet. If the opponent is short fused, he will take a low percentage shot to attempt the breakout. His skill set determines his success rate. I avoid taking hero shots if I can. :smilewinkgrin:
Chuck
That's a good point you bring up. In situations such as these, you can definitely play for a high-inning game. If you have deduced your opponent lacks a decent defensive game and tends to play aggressively, you can allow him the chance to try and run out.
In my opinion, in these discussions, it should be assumed that your opponent can play at least as well as you can. That isn't to say safing isn't a decent course of action but if you're going to safe, I wouldn't remove the 12-ball from the table. At the very least, it allows you the opportunity to add an additional ball to the cluster.
As the shooter (which I happened to be in this matter), I felt it prudent to be aggressive since this was not a safety battle I wanted to engage in. I banked the 12 into the lower left corner pocket with high right. I went right into the cluster and unfortunately, found myself safe on the 8.