How Would You Play This Layout?

Yeah, from the looks of the second photo, the 5-railer doesn't look available at all. You'd need to bend the cue ball forward with massive follow just to get on the right line, but at 5-railer speed, you'll more than likely end up smacking the cue ball straight into the corner.
 
I think ya'll are trying to do too much...I'd hit the 2 with slight top left, medium speed and roll three rails to take the three in the opposite side pocket. Don't see a need to punch it all the way for 5 rail position, too much can go wrong.
 
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I would opt for the safe on the 2 ball, completely sell out, and hope for my opponent to dog the 5 ball. Inevitably, he would leave it hanging in the corner pocket, with the 6 ball obstructing my path. I'd kick at the 5, and sell out the rack again.
 
At the 2012 Southern Classic this layout came up for Shane Van Boening while playing Orcollo. After getting down three times to shoot the 2 in the side he opted for the safety.


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peppersauce said:
This thread has been fun. I set the table up as closely as I could to the pics and I can assure you, the 5 railer is definitely not on. After looking at it on the table, I would never try that.

I shot a short vid first showing the 4 1/2 to 1 1/2 track I was talking about and it actually comes out dead nuts perfect at 6 on this table (this GC has been modified). I fudged the position of the 2 about an inch and a half just to see if I could swing it 5 cushions and it was close but I got there.

The rest of the clip is just me playing with different options. Some from previous posts here and a couple I thought of on the fly. I don't think I shot the same shot twice.

After seeing this layout up close... I'm ducking. 2 ball is going on the Brunswak, Bob. Lol. (Misspelling intentional)

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I'm confused; didn't you execute it perfectly (albeit not quite reaching the 5th rail) on the first try? Based on where your CB ended up, and where the 3 and 9 are in the photo in this thread, it looked to me like you proved it was indeed on.

-Andrew
 
hmm.

Old Nine Baller said:
You just made the 1 and got here on the 2. How would you play this?


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I would play the two in the side with outside follow and come around three rails for the three. I would take a thinner cut on the three to make sure that I wouldn't get stuck behind the nine. If I come up short I can play a safe on the three or a three five combo if it's on.

If I have a cut on the three I can run into the five for shape on the four, as long as I hit it firm enough I shouldn't have to worry about blocking the four with the five.

and if I get funny on the four, there should be a safety with the five and six on that side of the table.

Really to play this game at a high level, you have to have that CB on a string. You have to be able to safety at will when the need arises and you should be choosing shots that give you those outs if something untoward and unplanned happens. IOW, nothing should be unplanned even when things don't go right.

Jaden
 
West Point 1987 said:
I think ya'll are trying to do too much...I'd hit the 2 with slight top left, medium speed and roll three rails to take the three in the opposite side pocket. Don't see a need to punch it all the way for 5 rail position, too much can go wrong.
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I set it up on my slow gc and this was the best, for me.

Of course, given my side pocket handicappedness... i am only about 70% on shooting the 2 in the side:mad:
 
A few options

1) Play safe, go with Bob, but you may risk a good kick with it being made, just depends how you get the safe.

2) Shoot it into the side, except dont go for 5 rails, look to center table, should give decent shape on next ball.

3) shoot into side, stun it -slow roll, combo with 3 ball. Not exactly the greatest choice.

4) Cross bank the 2 , draw back for shape on 3, , shot doesnt need much, at that angle it looks like a natural , and cue ball should be in decent postition.

5) If you know the shot and feel good with it , the 3 rail zig-zag to center pocket, with inside follow CB should go 2 rails setting up for next ball.


Ok, start the critic, Im not all sure what Id go for, but feel if your agressive you go for it, and playing safe to me seems the choice, just not sure the return wont get you buried with a good return kick.
 
I didn't read all the replays but his is my choice. Hitting the cue ball in the center with a fair amount of left English. More like stunning the cue to the short rail without draw. You don't want to come out to deep out of the corner because this might put you on the wrong side of the nine ball.

I don't think the three rail position is there. The stroke needed for that may take you into a scratch plus you still need to deal with getting past the nine ball.

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Yes , you may be right,, althought as withh all except the 5 railer, you are going across rather than into the postition zone.

I like your choice of shots, , I played this same not long ago, but the ball was for a corner..thanks for the idea!!!
 
pt109 said:
It's probably just semantics...but I'm stunning it...how low it should be
hit is determined by conditions.
Draw will curve, I want whitey going straight to the short rail.
Why I go this way is that you never hook yourself....if you don't get
what you want, you put the guy in jail.

The five-railer requires a lot of speed....the speed makes whitey go
wide...which makes hitting the seven directly or off the second rail
a dangerous factor to your financial well being. :eek:
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What I like about stun is you know exactly where the cue ball is going.
Me personally, I would probably put the 2 in the side and scratch in the upper right pocket giving my opponent ball in hand.:thumbup:
 
peppersauce said:
It wasn't on. I actually changed the position of the 2 (just for that one shot) by moving it about an inch and a half closer towards the center of the table. That allowed me to catch about 1/2 on the first rail and spin down. From where I think the 2 actually is in the pic, I wouldn't attempt it after setting it up and actually looking at it.
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Thanks for clarifying.

-Andrew
 
dabarbr said:
I didn't read all the replays but his is my choice. Hitting the cue ball in the center with a fair amount of left English. More like stunning the cue to the short rail without draw. You don't want to come out to deep out of the corner because this might put you on the wrong side of the nine ball.

I don't think the three rail position is there. The stroke needed for that may take you into a scratch plus you still need to deal with getting past the nine ball.

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I think your path is good, but I would double the corner in tighter so I hit higher up the opposite long rail then coming off the foot rail and end up shooting the three ball in the side from around the foot spot area. This way I can take the nine ball out of the picture. So in other words I'd go head rail (short rail) then long rail (tight in the corner) then diagonal to opposite long rail before hitting the foot rail (where the cue ball will die off that rail so not much chance to get behind the nine ball) and ending up near the foot spot. Then play the three in the side follow to head rail and back out for the four in the corner. My shot doesn't look as good when I looked at the second picture in the original post as there is not as much angle as I had thought, still doable, but tougher.
Hope I explained this well enough, as I don't know how to draw lines on the table diagram, yet.

Yes, thanks for the thread as I enjoy these also.
 
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Agreed, these are fun. I don't get any right, but I learn from those who can, and do, make good decisions and shots.

Sorry if I've missed it, but has anyone posted a 'plotter overlay/matrix'...such that we could set up exactly where the balls lay?

Kinda like a draftsman pre=printed graph paper sheet with squares subdivided into scaled little squares...not a good explanation..but where you can identify location on X and Y axis within a square as defined by the diamonds.
 
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