I think it was Joe Tucker who posted a thread about a very common layout and it made me realize the value of talking about such scenarios. Below is a common 3-ball out with ball-in-hand. How would you play this and why? What are your concerns?
How Would You Play THIS?
- Thread starter Jude Rosenstock
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Jude Rosenstock said:
Hey Jude,
I actually like these outs because I am very comfortable doing it this way.
I would cut the 7 in the corner with a little low right and bring the cue ball down to around even with the side pocket.
From there it is a very similar shot on the 8 in the corner with nearly automatic position on the 9.
I can guarantee others will have different and possibly better, less risky, ways but this is what I like to do here.
Thanks,
Koop
Southpaw said:
This is making me feel better considering this is exactly what I was saying in mine
lodini, it's not risky to me but I suppose anytime you are drawing the ball you risk a miscue.
If my speed control were a little better I would probably line up inside the shot and shoot it with follow to come around...however my speed control stinks.
I like your solution, since all the work is done on the seven ball with ball in hand.Koop said:
I would be careful not to position too far away from the eight. Overhitting the shot to get past the eight would be my biggest concern. Going past straight in on the eight would the worst scenario.
Other ways to get on the eight will work but I see too much cue ball movement and cutting across the angle for the eight.
Koop said:
Hey Koop,
What I like most about your answer is how you use the side-pocket as a position-reference. You know if you go past the side-pocket, you've likely gone too far. I like the way you play this. The only thing I might add is I would want to keep the cueball off the rail.
The other route I would consider would be to set-up a slight angle and use follow, going off the short rail and traveling parallel back down table to arrive at the same destination.
With ball in hand I would prefer banking these three out. Easy money.
Seriously....8 and 9 in the same hole (bottom right pocket). You want to draw off the 7 (not creating too much of an angle with bih) coming off the rail below the side pocket (not too close now..) undershoot position on the 8 versus overdoing it. Even then, depending on how far "over" you get in position you might play it with some inside english and still shoot them both in the same hole, or if you're straight in follow through and play the 9 in the other hole, or if you're too far over the position to play them both in the same hole, play 4 rail (including the short rail) on the short side of the 9 into the other pocket. Easy as pie..right?
Seriously....8 and 9 in the same hole (bottom right pocket). You want to draw off the 7 (not creating too much of an angle with bih) coming off the rail below the side pocket (not too close now..) undershoot position on the 8 versus overdoing it. Even then, depending on how far "over" you get in position you might play it with some inside english and still shoot them both in the same hole, or if you're straight in follow through and play the 9 in the other hole, or if you're too far over the position to play them both in the same hole, play 4 rail (including the short rail) on the short side of the 9 into the other pocket. Easy as pie..right?
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Like Koop, I would use slightly low right on the 7 to leave this. My only concern would be overshooting the position. I would have to overshoot it a lot though so the margin for error is quite large.
Chris
Chris
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TATE said:
Hey Tate,
The only thing I don't like about this is your plan to fall perfect. The shot on the 8-ball is very makeable even if you fall a foot short and you'll still get position on the 9-ball. If you end up going to far, you're in for some serious trouble.
If you look at that side pocket and think, "Don't go past it", you're going to guarantee the out.
TATE said:
This was totally my first thought as well, although I'd set it up with slightly more angle on the 7. Fairly straight means you have to draw the ball pretty hard to get it up-table, whereas with more angle, a soft-draw with running english makes for a fairly effortless shot, and lower effort for me in this case means more precise tip placement, which means more precise results.
Even if you over-draw the ball and get on the wrong side of the 8, it's not a tough shot to use follow to go to the upper long rail and back out for the same set-up on the 9. Even if you get way on the wrong side (which means hitting this shot really badly because coming along the line like this means you have a very large speed-control margin), high left will get you there off the upper rail. Worst-case here is actually not being slightly on the wrong side of the 8, it's getting dead straight on the 8. That's the only situation where you'll need a touchy shot (follow the 8 to shoot the 9 in the other corner, cheating the pocket a touch so you're following toward the long rail instead of following toward a scratch) to get back into position for the 9. And it's still high-percentage, as touchy shots go.
-Andrew
Jude Rosenstock said:
Really? Would you consider this shot trouble? I'm not trying to be sarcastic, just curious about what you were thinking.
-Andrew
Andrew Manning said:
I would define this as a low-level recovery shot. I mean, it's not terribly difficult to execute but it's definitely not preferrable.
I'll put it another way - This would be the shot you would have if you ran too far versus a long shot on the 8-ball with auto-shape if you ran short. Which would you prefer?
Also, once you've ventured past the preferrable side of the 8-ball, every inch traveled makes this shot more and more difficult. A few more inches and you're taking a 3 rail route to the 9-ball.
In sum, I want to make sure I stay on the good side of the 8-ball and I'll trade favorable distance to insure it.
Andrew Manning said:
I also want to mention, if I were in this position, I would shoot it with only top or top-right (I have to actually see it on the table to determine what I would do). No matter, my position-goal is going to be compromised because I have to make sure I don't scratch.
I would cut the 7 drawing back for 8,dead in on 8,sting it,then bank 9.
then throw my cue across the room and say"take that you MF".
then throw my cue across the room and say"take that you MF".
TATE said:
This is the right shot as you are following the line of your next desired angle the whole time.