Hyptnotism

Mr. Wilson

Mr. Wilson

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I feel like I'm grasping a little here, but has anyone seriously considered hyptnotism?

For example, I can make any number of great shots.

Impossible cuts, perfect shape....4...even 5 rail banks...etc...but I lose my focus. I choke when it seems to really count.

Makes ya crazy.

I can turn around and make the shot 100 times for practice....and miss the damned shot when it counts.......AGAIN!!!

So I guess it's a mental block, or some subconscious block....I don't know.
I do know it doesn't have to be that way, so I am really trying to figure out what I can do to change this problem.

So I have read and heard about people being hyptnotised for all sorts of things. Mental and behavioural.

so what do others think?

What could it hurt?

They "break" something up there........ and I suddenly shoot like Earl....but also act like him too? Would that be so bad?

Does anyone have any experience with being hyptnotised that they are willing to share with us?
 
Mr. Wilson said:
For example, I can make any number of great shots.

Impossible cuts, perfect shape....4...even 5 rail banks...etc...but I lose my focus. I choke when it seems to really count.

Makes ya crazy.

I can turn around and make the shot 100 times for practice....and miss the damned shot when it counts.......AGAIN!!!

So I guess it's a mental block, or some subconscious block....I don't know.
I do know it doesn't have to be that way, so I am really trying to figure out what I can do to change this problem.
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I would suggest Preparation H...I think your problem has more to do with "PUCKERING ASSHOLE SYNDROME"!
 
If you believe it will work it will work. If you expect to choke you will choke.

LWW
 
I would suggest doing concentrations exercises, or at least reading "I came to win" by The Monk. Until I read the book, I was riddling myself with excuses as to why I did poorly in a tournament, etc. The Monk made me realize that your performance off the table is nearly as important as your performance on the table. How many times do we play the frustrated shooter that is swearing after missing every shot, and we just seem to be having the best of luck. The truth is, if your opponent is frustrated, you (whether you realize it or not) will play off of that to your advantage. How many matches have you seen where both players are frustrated to no end?

It sounds to me like you need to work on your concentration. If you have no problems shooting in your "home surroundings", and your game suffers when the slightest bit of foreign influence enters the room, then you need better concentration. It's like the singer that knows the song by heart and sings it perfect in the studio, but when they get on the stage with unfamiliar surroundings, they choke almost like they've never heard the song before.

What changed my game was a change in my attitude. Instead of getting more and more and more upset about missing a shot (which seems to be an unending cycle, because it makes you miss more shots), I have more of a "whatever happens, happens" attitude. This sounds like a contradiction, because a "serious" player should have a "serious" attitude. In reality though, you will win more games with a more relaxed attitude. Keep your poker face, too.
 
St. Louie, Louie used hyptnotism & tapes.

Mr. Wilson said:
I feel like I'm grasping a little here, but has anyone seriously considered hyptnotism?

For example, I can make any number of great shots.

Impossible cuts, perfect shape....4...even 5 rail banks...etc...but I lose my focus. I choke when it seems to really count.

Makes ya crazy.

I can turn around and make the shot 100 times for practice....and miss the damned shot when it counts.......AGAIN!!!

So I guess it's a mental block, or some subconscious block....I don't know.
I do know it doesn't have to be that way, so I am really trying to figure out what I can do to change this problem.

So I have read and heard about people being hyptnotised for all sorts of things. Mental and behavioural.

so what do others think?

What could it hurt?

They "break" something up there........ and I suddenly shoot like Earl....but also act like him too? Would that be so bad?

Does anyone have any experience with being hyptnotised that they are willing to share with us?
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Louie was one of the first to use this along with tapes made for him by the hyptnotist. It worked very well for him for quite some time. One of his best wins in Bend, OR was while using these.
I went to the same guy & ZERO, ZIP, NADA.
The only problem (IMO) is that anytime you look for ANY outside help to better your game - you MAY become too reliant on it and start to believe YOU NEED this to win. -ie: drugs, booze, etc. Other than instruction, guidance and playing with better players, I think you should stay within yourself.

TY & GL
 
I would strongly warn anyone away from allowing themselves to be hynotised!

It makes one's mind open to suggestion and reduces the ability for to use self-inspired critical functions. It may bring about large improvements, but the same can be achieved, and without the harmful side effects through self-hypnosis....or self-suggestion.

For best use, be honest with yourself. Enquire into the subject through thinking and try repeating rhyming phrases that enforce what you have learned.

Repeating the thought 'I am the best' may bring about temporary results, but will lead toward delusion.

Repeating phrases and thinking upon subjects such as, "observe, analyze, stay calm, learn, focus" will allow you to make improvements in these areas. Repeating such thoughts or mantras on rising and before sleeping are believed to have the most powerful effect, though the more often you are thinking on these subjects, which delve into categories of improvement in the game (and hopefully life in general), the faster will be your improvement.

It will help to train your mind to be the master rather than slave (reactor) to situations.

My 2c.
 
i don't think it's a good idea, either, for the reasons above, but mainly because I don't want some stranger meddling with my thinking processes...

(there was another thread on this topic some time ago, and back then the consensus was that hypnotism was a good thing. if you want validation you might want to look that one up.)
 
Mr. Wilson said:
I feel like I'm grasping a little here, but has anyone seriously considered hyptnotism?

For example, I can make any number of great shots.

Impossible cuts, perfect shape....4...even 5 rail banks...etc...but I lose my focus. I choke when it seems to really count.

Makes ya crazy.

I can turn around and make the shot 100 times for practice....and miss the damned shot when it counts.......AGAIN!!!

So I guess it's a mental block, or some subconscious block....I don't know.
I do know it doesn't have to be that way, so I am really trying to figure out what I can do to change this problem.

So I have read and heard about people being hyptnotised for all sorts of things. Mental and behavioural.

so what do others think?

What could it hurt?

They "break" something up there........ and I suddenly shoot like Earl....but also act like him too? Would that be so bad?

Does anyone have any experience with being hyptnotised that they are willing to share with us?
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There are a few sets of tapes sold at Bebob and other places for self-hypnosis and pool. I think Ryan Thomas was the guy who did them. Overcoming Contenderosis and The Dead Stroke Tapes.
 
Maybe you're just not a clutch player. I don't think you can get hypnotized to all of a sudden be a clutch player. It's just a matter of nerves.
 
Mr. Wilson said:
I feel like I'm grasping a little here, but has anyone seriously considered hyptnotism?

For example, I can make any number of great shots.

Impossible cuts, perfect shape....4...even 5 rail banks...etc...but I lose my focus. I choke when it seems to really count.

Makes ya crazy.

I can turn around and make the shot 100 times for practice....and miss the damned shot when it counts.......AGAIN!!!

So I guess it's a mental block, or some subconscious block....I don't know.
I do know it doesn't have to be that way, so I am really trying to figure out what I can do to change this problem.

So I have read and heard about people being hyptnotised for all sorts of things. Mental and behavioural.

so what do others think?

What could it hurt?

They "break" something up there........ and I suddenly shoot like Earl....but also act like him too? Would that be so bad?

Does anyone have any experience with being hyptnotised that they are willing to share with us?
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What about something like this?http://cgi.ebay.com/POOL-BILLIARDS-...ryZ21210QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
 
Years ago when I first started playing, I used to "pucker" too. The older guys at the room told me to get into action. You don't have to play for the mortgage, but enough to keep your head in the match. That helped alot.

The Monks books are good too. Oddly enough about 7 years ago I was into all his books and just happened to run into him at a pool room in Phoenixville Pa. He autographed my books, and said, lets hit some, and I was thrilled! He set up a bunch of stroke shots for me and I was pumping em in like a crazy person for some reason that day? He was just travelling by and happened to stop in the room that day. Whats the saying? "when the students ready, the teacher will appear". Here's one shot he set up I made a few times. He gave me 3 tries to do it..........Gerry

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"I would strongly warn anyone away from allowing themselves to be hynotised!"

This comment really shows that you know nothing about hypnotism...

All hypnotism is, is a placebo, and also getting a person in the right frame of mind to accept that placebo.

There is nothing mystical about hypnotism, it grants you no abilities that you don't have when not hypnotised(all stunts done under hypnosis can be done fully aware).

Basically Hypnotism uses people's lack of knowledge ABOUT hypnotism to bring about results.(if you really think hypnotism can bring about real change in you, then it WILL....)

Its hard to explain, but I really wouldnt buy into the fact that it is anything dangerous, because anything you would agree to under hypnosis you would probably agree with out of it, because it is still YOU.(the hypnotiser has no "power" over you, only whatever power you freely give him, and it can be stopped at anytime).


also-
"I don't think you can get hypnotized to all of a sudden be a clutch player."

Well yes you can actually... since being "clutch" or not is a completly mental state, and if you believe that hypnotism can fix that mental state, then it will and you will be able to perform in clutch conditions...

its all about belief and suggestion and allowing yourself to believe or take the suggestion(even if you know its hogwash, what matters if you have the ability to believe it).


Anyway, to answer your question:

Yes, go for it and try out hypnotism and try to firmly believe that it will solve your problems... because if you believe that, it will.

If it doesnt work then try other things... but hypnotism is certainly no different than any other mental exercise.


For an example, look at faith healing or any psychic demonstrations... they work because of suggestion(ie hypnosis on a level). If you just tell someone "You will fall down when I touch you and your pain will be gone" alone in a room, nothing will happen. However if instead you are in a sold out auditorium, surrounded by chanting and prayer, and then you see others before you go up and get "healed" and fall back, then it is built up in your mind so when you finally get up, you really do fall backwards and do feel "something" heal you. In reality it is your expectation that is healing you(either temporarily or permanent) and nothing else... but the key is the buildup, the expectation and how much you believe it in... either way its hogwash but in one case it works, other it faills... all up to you.


I hope this makes a little sense to a lot of you, or perhaps a lot of sense to a little of you.
 
Hypnotherapy and medical hypnoanalysis should not be confused with stage hypnosis which is nothing more than entertainment.

Ryan Elliot is the person that offers The Overcoming Contenderosis Tape/cd series - he is also a very close personal friend of mine.

Colin, I don't know where you got your information on hypnosis - but your post made me double over laughing. What are the harmful side effects? Improvement?

There are many players that have benefited from Ryan Elliott's material including Vivian Villareal - and me. Ryan is a qualified practitioner and a licensed Medical Hypnoanalyst. He is also a very good player in his own right.

This is his web site:

http://www.thelightheartcenter.org/
 
So, what I'm looking to overcome is a mental aspect of my game.

I'm not looking for that Coupe de ville in the Cracker jack box, just trying to fix a stumbling block that I am aware...is all in my head.

Who has tried any of these CDs and did they appreciate any noticeable ( or perceived ) improvement in their game?


Now, come on guys, I stuck my neck out to bring one of my personal weaknesses to the table for discussion.

Please play nice with me :)
 
Blackjack said:
Colin, I don't know where you got your information on hypnosis - but your post made me double over laughing. What are the harmful side effects? Improvement?

There are many players that have benefited from Ryan Elliott's material including Vivian Villareal - and me. Ryan is a qualified practitioner and a licensed Medical Hypnoanalyst. He is also a very good player in his own right.

This is his web site:

http://www.thelightheartcenter.org/
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Well I began reading Franz Anton Mesmer's work (the founder of mesmerism) around 20 years ago, along with study of Jungian psychology and various metaphysical writings into the process of the mind...indeed a complex subject.

My criticism of allowing oneself to be hypnotised is that it makes one open to another's suggestion, reducing one's own critical faculties. Something that threatens to reverse the most essential aspect of a human's intellectual development.

Hypnotism can improve one's abilities, but it is at this cost. A hypnotist could alter my frame of mind to perform on a high wire without fear for example. Some people are much more prone to suggestion than others. Hypnotism is likely to increase their susceptibility.

Putting one's faith in their own selves to overcome their fears and to train their mind is crucial to self-development. I believe being hynotised makes this less achievable.

So I repeat my warning to others. Don't look for a quick fix through allowing yourself to be hypnotised. Keep yourself as conscious as possible regarding your thinking, decisions and reactions and learn from them yourself.

I'm going against the entire field of popular opinion in psychology on this subject which is probably more reason to believe I am on the right track :D
 
Mr. Wilson said:
So, what I'm looking to overcome is a mental aspect of my game.

I'm not looking for that Coupe de ville in the Cracker jack box, just trying to fix a stumbling block that I am aware...is all in my head.

Who has tried any of these CDs and did they appreciate any noticeable ( or perceived ) improvement in their game?


Now, come on guys, I stuck my neck out to bring one of my personal weaknesses to the table for discussion.

Please play nice with me :)
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I think the key area for you to think about is 'What is your desire?" From there you have a chance to identify what it is that leads to doubt and fear when you are playing.

Are you focused on hoping to win, or hoping not to lose or are you focused on executing a shot, choosing the right shot? Are you feeling emotions? Why?

Do you want the match to turn out in accordance with your abilities and the quality of effort you are putting into the match or are you hoping for more? Do you worry about luck?

Start to think about these things and you make be able to focus better on the only thing that will guarantee you long term better performance, and that is clear focus on your choice and execution of shots.
 
Blackjack said:
Hypnotherapy and medical hypnoanalysis should not be confused with stage hypnosis which is nothing more than entertainment.

Ryan Elliot is the person that offers The Overcoming Contenderosis Tape/cd series - he is also a very close personal friend of mine.

There are many players that have benefited from Ryan Elliott's material including Vivian Villareal - and me. Ryan is a qualified practitioner and a licensed Medical Hypnoanalyst. He is also a very good player in his own right.

This is his web site:

http://www.thelightheartcenter.org/
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btw: Ryan's website is down, but from what I can fathom, what medical hynoanalysis or Rational Emotive Therapy and similar systems appear to do, is moreso to encourage systems of self-suggestion, not true Hypnosis, where one is not in a normal conscious state when being instructed.

It doesn't seem to be much different that chanting mantras in effect. These are fine assuming one uses their critical faculties to think about the truth of the subjects being impressed through the activity. Just as one should think on the subject one reads or discusses with others.
 
Mr. Wilson said:
I feel like I'm grasping a little here, but has anyone seriously considered hyptnotism?

For example, I can make any number of great shots.

Impossible cuts, perfect shape....4...even 5 rail banks...etc...but I lose my focus. I choke when it seems to really count.

Makes ya crazy.

I can turn around and make the shot 100 times for practice....and miss the damned shot when it counts.......AGAIN!!!


Does anyone have any experience with being hyptnotised that they are willing to share with us?
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My understanding on hypnosis, which I admit is severely lacking, is that it depends on how susceptible a person is to suggestion. Or perhaps that's related to the "stage hypnosis" that Mr. Blackjack referred to in his comments. I didn't personally try the hypnosis route, although more than one person had offered that advice to me as a possible means of improved performance when I first started playing.

What I wound up doing was falling back on things I had learned while training in the martial arts & playing chess to help improve my concentration. For me, it helped to bring things into better focus & I started winning more matches & gained more confidence as time progressed. As a supplement, I also watched & studied matches on video that were played well throughout the entire length, shooting .900+ throughout if it was 8 or 9-ball or if someone made a huge run in straight pool or snooker.
 
Colin Colenso said:
btw: Ryan's website is down, but from what I can fathom, what medical hynoanalysis or Rational Emotive Therapy and similar systems appear to do, is moreso to encourage systems of self-suggestion, not true Hypnosis, where one is not in a normal conscious state when being instructed.

It doesn't seem to be much different that chanting mantras in effect. These are fine assuming one uses their critical faculties to think about the truth of the subjects being impressed through the activity. Just as one should think on the subject one reads or discusses with others.
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His web site is not down. http://www.thelightheartcenter.org/pages/278705/index.htm

I am also board certified and I have written books on this subject as it relates to pool players in competition. Your opinons are way off base in relation to the actual facts regarding hypnosis. Hypnosis is an altered state of consciousness, so is being the "The Zone".
 
Blackjack said:
His web site is not down. http://www.thelightheartcenter.org/pages/278705/index.htm

I am also board certified and I have written books on this subject as it relates to pool players in competition. Your opinons are way off base in relation to the actual facts regarding hypnosis. Hypnosis is an altered state of consciousness, so is being the "The Zone".
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Well their website must be blocked in China....proof it is dangerous :p

Claiming you know the facts of the influence of hypnosis is like claiming to have a true understanding of the workings of the mind. Something I'm sure neither, you, I or any Nobel prize winners have.

I gave my opinion with a reason why I believed it, but how exactly people's minds react to hypnotism under a hypnotic state is something very complex.

I suggest, if you have 5 years to spare, and a curiosity for the process of thinking and the workings of the human mind to study Harold Percival's tomb, "Thinking and Destiny" Online Here . A book where he claims that being hypnotized is perhaps the worst thing a human can do in his path of development. Mr. Percival was a man of extraordinary knowledge.

I've seen nothing from you or other so called experts that contradicts his opinion. Do your facts come from the same source as your facts that led you to try to form a movement against the IPT?

You wrote: "Hypnosis is an altered state of consciousness."
Can you really define conciousnessor the details on the hypnotic altered state?

Pardon my directness, but I think you need to learn to better present your facts if you have any, otherwise you shouldn't brag that you have the facts on your side. State your ideas as opinions and you might not rub people the wrong way so often.
 
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