I always thought actions should speak louder than words, but I am no longer certain.

manwon

"WARLOCK 1"
Silver Member
I guess my question here is should a persons actions speak more clearly than what is said afterwords.

I have noticed many threads on this forum where transactions with other members go South, some are certainly justified, some are misunderstandings, and some amount to nothing at all. However, in most cases there is some justification for the initial post, but this thread is not designed to explain what Justifies or doesn't any of the actions for these posts. This thread is designed for those who wish to post to these threads in either or a Positive manner.

People this is not directed at any single person on this forum, so please do not respond thinking this is singling you out, I think in some manner we have all allowed ourselves to fall into this trap.

Has anyone ever noticed that when a deal go's bad that before anyone really evaluates the situation their first response is either positive or negative based only upon dealings with the person in question. Now is this wrong, I think so, in fact I think that by doing this we do the OP of a thread a disservice, we do the accused a disservice, and we do ourselves a major disservice. I think that until all facts are known it is better not to post any negative or positive comments. For instance how many times when something negative is posted do we say oh here we going again or that person is a great individual my transaction with them was flawless. I think that maybe people should not detract or support the individuals involved until enough information is presented, and then only support the facts presented not what has happened in the past.


By detracting from some ones character some else will try and add to it, and in the many cases the facts are over looked which drags things out and creates multiple page threads that solve nothing and waste bandwidth.

I do not know if others understand my thoughts here or if others think this is a waste of time, but I suspect that many of the problems that occur can be settled by as little outside involvement as possible. Lets face it in most cases the facts do speak for themselves and that is all we should listen to the past good or bad is nothing but the past and has no bearing on the here and now.

JIMO
 
I plead guilty to wasting bandwidth. The argument threads serve a useful purpose, they reveal things about people posting here on the forum.


I wish they wouldn't have deleted the Chohan thread, that was good. It surprises me how much people will reveal about themselves at a keyboard that they would never reveal to a group of people in public.

I got red rep only once and it was because I Inquired about purchasing a Wheat cue and some guy evidently doesn't like Wheat. Is Wheat funding Al Qaeda with his cue sales? If so you need to contact the FBI. If not then stop being an asshole about what other people are doing legally. But again, it was revealing about that individual.
 
Guy's thanks for the responses, I am as guilty as anyone on this forum of stepping into threads and making responses that are not necessary. Day in and day it seems that there are two camps within this forum for or against and it doesn't matter which forum here on AZ people post in. If something go's wrong everyone seems to be up on their collective soap box's injecting their opinions. Now this is a free country, and freedom of speech on this forum is one of our freedoms, however, I think it is very important to read the thread and once the facts are known base all comments upon them. Disregarding personal feelings about individuals involved in the issue at hand, I know this is hard to do but lests face it, it is the right thing to do.

It seems that far too often the facts are either over looked or completely disregarded to lend support to people who may or may not deserve it. I think people forget that when they openly support some one on an issue they also take on the blanket of responsibility for their support. If some one states that this person is good to go and others find out the hard way that this statement was not exactly true, the individual giving support is as guilty as the person they supported. I think that people forget that responsibility in favor of trying to help others or because they want to appear to be a nice person.

All I can say is let the facts be told and respond according to them this way we will protect each other while we conduct business with others here on the forum, the truth will protect us all and help those who need to change.

JIMO
 
Most use this site as a last resort to force action in what they see as a hopeless situation. It is trendy for members to choose sides in these circumstances. I know some even want to have their deeds aired publicly, maybe to give them justification to never make restitution. Things can be handled differently, and those who hold other members money hostage will wish they had done the right thing when all is said and done.
 
Guy's thanks for the responses, I am as guilty as anyone on this forum of stepping into threads and making responses that are not necessary. Day in and day it seems that there are two camps within this forum for or against and it doesn't matter which forum here on AZ people post in. If something go's wrong everyone seems to be up on their collective soap box's injecting their opinions. Now this is a free country, and freedom of speech on this forum is one of our freedoms, however, I think it is very important to read the thread and once the facts are known base all comments upon them. Disregarding personal feelings about individuals involved in the issue at hand, I know this is hard to do but lests face it, it is the right thing to do.

It seems that far too often the facts are either over looked or completely disregarded to lend support to people who may or may not deserve it. I think people forget that when they openly support some one on an issue they also take on the blanket of responsibility for their support. If some one states that this person is good to go and others find out the hard way that this statement was not exactly true, the individual giving support is as guilty as the person they supported. I think that people forget that responsibility in favor of trying to help others or because they want to appear to be a nice person.

All I can say is let the facts be told and respond according to them this way we will protect each other while we conduct business with others here on the forum, the truth will protect us all and help those who need to change.

JIMO

Craig.....say it isnt so:grin:
 
I guess my question here is should a persons actions speak more clearly than what is said afterwords.

I have noticed many threads on this forum where transactions with other members go South, some are certainly justified, some are misunderstandings, and some amount to nothing at all. However, in most cases there is some justification for the initial post, but this thread is not designed to explain what Justifies or doesn't any of the actions for these posts. This thread is designed for those who wish to post to these threads in either or a Positive manner.

People this is not directed at any single person on this forum, so please do not respond thinking this is singling you out, I think in some manner we have all allowed ourselves to fall into this trap.

Has anyone ever noticed that when a deal go's bad that before anyone really evaluates the situation their first response is either positive or negative based only upon dealings with the person in question. Now is this wrong, I think so, in fact I think that by doing this we do the OP of a thread a disservice, we do the accused a disservice, and we do ourselves a major disservice. I think that until all facts are known it is better not to post any negative or positive comments. For instance how many times when something negative is posted do we say oh here we going again or that person is a great individual my transaction with them was flawless. I think that maybe people should not detract or support the individuals involved until enough information is presented, and then only support the facts presented not what has happened in the past.


By detracting from some ones character some else will try and add to it, and in the many cases the facts are over looked which drags things out and creates multiple page threads that solve nothing and waste bandwidth.

I do not know if others understand my thoughts here or if others think this is a waste of time, but I suspect that many of the problems that occur can be settled by as little outside involvement as possible. Lets face it in most cases the facts do speak for themselves and that is all we should listen to the past good or bad is nothing but the past and has no bearing on the here and now.

JIMO

I understand what your saying but e problem is way more than that. Like Ive said befor this forum would be alot differant if it was in person .You got the peoplle that are 2 feet tall acting like their Mike Tyson, You got people that will say anything about anything and dont know anything, you have people who in real life are world class bullsh*ters, like someone whos store is filled with cheap China made crap and comes on starting a thread about China made cues being bad for the custom cue market like their some top shelf cue maker and its killling their action. Then you have the people that try to say what they think to help a topic and get blasted by all the people listed above.

To tell ya how stupid I was when i found this place I thought it was 100% all about learning the game, well I guess it is the good the bad and the ugly.
 
I guess my question here is should a persons actions speak more clearly than what is said afterwords.

I have noticed many threads on this forum where transactions with other members go South, some are certainly justified, some are misunderstandings, and some amount to nothing at all. However, in most cases there is some justification for the initial post, but this thread is not designed to explain what Justifies or doesn't any of the actions for these posts. This thread is designed for those who wish to post to these threads in either or a Positive manner.

People this is not directed at any single person on this forum, so please do not respond thinking this is singling you out, I think in some manner we have all allowed ourselves to fall into this trap.

Has anyone ever noticed that when a deal go's bad that before anyone really evaluates the situation their first response is either positive or negative based only upon dealings with the person in question. Now is this wrong, I think so, in fact I think that by doing this we do the OP of a thread a disservice, we do the accused a disservice, and we do ourselves a major disservice. I think that until all facts are known it is better not to post any negative or positive comments. For instance how many times when something negative is posted do we say oh here we going again or that person is a great individual my transaction with them was flawless. I think that maybe people should not detract or support the individuals involved until enough information is presented, and then only support the facts presented not what has happened in the past.


By detracting from some ones character some else will try and add to it, and in the many cases the facts are over looked which drags things out and creates multiple page threads that solve nothing and waste bandwidth.

I do not know if others understand my thoughts here or if others think this is a waste of time, but I suspect that many of the problems that occur can be settled by as little outside involvement as possible. Lets face it in most cases the facts do speak for themselves and that is all we should listen to the past good or bad is nothing but the past and has no bearing on the here and now.

JIMO
Really!

I know exactly what you are talking about here! As I will be feeling the side effects from a bashing for a long time! I have stated this before that PEOPLE should KNOW all the facts before they jump on the band wagon! They dont know what kind of damage that they can do, and they do so without regard to the people involved! Will they Apologize for doing this NO!! Not even close! They will just justify there actions with more BS! But what do you? If your the person involved you fix the problem as quickly as possible! If your not involved, well DONT GET INVOLVED! You can really hurt someones means of living! Just because of your status here!!!!

And IF you do decide to get involved PLEASE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!

Nice post Craig! I am glad to see this!
Something that I am sure has been said before and nobody has listened!
This should be a sticky! IMO
 
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Craig.....say it isnt so:grin:

I really can't do that, in fact in a way I feel responsible for the actions of some others. But, through a great deal of self reflection I did not like what I have been involved with personally because whatever my initial intentions were they became self serving and solved nothing.:o People are still being taken advantage of and in the end it is their own fault one way or another. If we as people do not think at some point we will be a victim of our own lack of thought. Whether it is buying a Pool cue or Case that will not go the mile or whether it is just another notch on the belt of a seller who will do or say whatever he needs too for a sale.

I can admit when I am wrong, and this is what I have done here enough said!!!!:)

But back to this thread like I have said, facts speak louder than words, and they can be intentionally distorted, Deleted, or hidden from view, they can never be destroyed so long as they are not forgotten!!!!!!!!!!!:)
 
I understand what your saying but e problem is way more than that. Like Ive said befor this forum would be alot differant if it was in person .You got the peoplle that are 2 feet tall acting like their Mike Tyson, You got people that will say anything about anything and dont know anything, you have people who in real life are world class bullsh*ters, like someone whos store is filled with cheap China made crap and comes on starting a thread about China made cues being bad for the custom cue market like their some top shelf cue maker and its killling their action. Then you have the people that try to say what they think to help a topic and get blasted by all the people listed above.

To tell ya how stupid I was when i found this place I thought it was 100% all about learning the game, well I guess it is the good the bad and the ugly.

I have to agree with you, but some day the Key Board warriors will meet some one they have insulted and that day is coming for many people!!!!!!:grin: One thing is great about these hero's they love to talk, and while the pool world is kinda a small place, in the long term hiding is out of the question!!!!!!:)

So to all the Warriors keep running your fingers and exposing yourselves further DCC is coming and some people will spend a great deal of their time looking over their collective shoulders!!!!:grin-devilish: So like they say Stay alert Stay alive!!!!!!!!!!!!:yeah::yeah::yeah:

Oh and by the way, the next time you want to insult me do it to my face, you know what I mean stand up like man and say what you mean, you do have the balls don't you Lawn Mower Man?:wink:
 
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hey. i am a firm believer that not every deal can go perfect. also if you have 100's or 1000's or good deals and a few non perfect deals its kinda a wash. you cant make everyone happy all the time.

with that being said when someone is so wrong that it is unbelieveble i think its open season on that person. after all i consider the majority of azers "family" with exception of the obvious ones with low posts almost all stiring the pot. you know who you are

personally i try to help 1 person a day learn something they did not know. thats my goal.

i have worked very hard over the last year to be a better azer. not fighting and even being the better man with azers i cant stand to try and make peace. it is hard sometimes
 
Well I kinda knew that there wouldnt be a lot of replys to this thread! That is where people have the wrong idea. "TO ERROR IS TO BE HUMAN TO ADMIT IT IS A COMPLETELY DIFERRENT THING"

Everyone makes mistakes! How you rectify your mistake is what makes your character!!
 
I only read @ half of your OP, but it was enough for me to completely understand where you're coming from. Most of that half was 3/4 correct.

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KK9 <-- good post Craig, hopefully some people - including me - will think twice about laying out rotten wood in others' forrests.
 
Well I kinda knew that there wouldnt be a lot of replys to this thread! That is where people have the wrong idea. "TO ERROR IS TO BE HUMAN TO ADMIT IT IS A COMPLETELY DIFERRENT THING"

Everyone makes mistakes! How you rectify your mistake is what makes your character!!

Doug I also did not expect too many replies, in fact I have received more than I thought I would. I appreciate your comments along with everyone else who posted. I think that my intent throughout has been very clear to anyone who has chosen to read this thread, I am not an asshole all the time!!!!!:grin:

I hope others may take the time to look within themselves and also reflect upon their actions as I have done, because if they do I think most can also see their faults like I have. I have never been one to be pushed around, and for the most part I have always stood up for what I believed no matter the consequences and I still believe this is the right way to live. However, sometimes for whatever reason it can become difficult to see the forest through the trees because things become personal, allowing things to become personal blurs clear thought and makes one an indignant Ass!!!!!!!:)

Take Care Doug!!!
 
Doug I also did not expect too many replies, in fact I have received more than I thought I would. I appreciate your comments along with everyone else who posted. I think that my intent throughout has been very clear to anyone who has chosen to read this thread, I am not an asshole all the time!!!!!:grin:

I hope others may take the time to look within themselves and also reflect upon their actions as I have done, because if they do I think most can also see their faults like I have. I have never been one to be pushed around, and for the most part I have always stood up for what I believed no matter the consequences and I still believe this is the right way to live. However, sometimes for whatever reason it can become difficult to see the forest through the trees because things become personal, allowing things to become personal blurs clear thought and makes one an indignant Ass!!!!!!!:)

Take Care Doug!!!
Very good words of wisdom! I know what you are talking about I have been living a new way of life for about 5 1/2 years! SOme people know what I mean and some dont! That is why I pride myself and telling the thruth even when I look bad! This is a great post here! I wish more people would actually read it.
 
All you can effect is yourself-you can't make anyone feel anything

A doctor friend of mine bought a bumper sticker that said ( I may be old but I'm still a marine) Hope your feeling better Craig. Maybe its the vets,day( I shake vets hands everywhere I go,especially airports) And it puts the biggest smile on a vet possible.They don't get the credit they deserve!!!! We simply don't always geta long . Now Thanksgiving is upon us and Christmas. We should all be filled with cheer !! Your killing me though Craig. One moment you say- Your not always a bad guy,and the next you say the grim Reaper is heading for DCC. Everybody lets go with steam now and then,so what. wishing everyone happy holidays. I get frustrated with all the low ball offers on cues and stuff.Only a select few could make a living off internet sales. I remember my first post-Jay and I disagreed on a olathe match. When I met Jay at DCC . I though and laughed how could I be mad at such a cute,short bald guy-that was all smiles? He still got cut up and didn't want to hear his bet went south. mark
 
A doctor friend of mine bought a bumper sticker that said ( I may be old but I'm still a marine) Hope your feeling better Craig. Maybe its the vets,day( I shake vets hands everywhere I go,especially airports) And it puts the biggest smile on a vet possible.They don't get the credit they deserve!!!! We simply don't always geta long . Now Thanksgiving is upon us and Christmas. We should all be filled with cheer !! Your killing me though Craig. One moment you say- Your not always a bad guy,and the next you say the grim Reaper is heading for DCC. Everybody lets go with steam now and then,so what. wishing everyone happy holidays. I get frustrated with all the low ball offers on cues and stuff.Only a select few could make a living off internet sales. I remember my first post-Jay and I disagreed on a olathe match. When I met Jay at DCC . I though and laughed how could I be mad at such a cute,short bald guy-that was all smiles? He still got cut up and didn't want to hear his bet went south. mark


Your not always a bad guy,and the next you say the grim Reaper is heading for DCC.

Thanks very much for your post, and your comments above are certainly spot on. But, my comments were not truly alluding to going postal on anyone, in fact that was not my intent at all, but now that I read my comments again I can see how some one certainly could think that was my intent. My comments where more along the lines of wanting see how a Key Board warrior will react if some one they have talked shit to walked up identified themselves and said hello!!!!:grin:

I also agree that many we argue with on the INTERNET we would get along fine with in person. I have found many time that the way we write something is not exactly how we would express the same response in words. It seems to me that without the personal expressions we get talking face to face that words can be very easily taken out of context or the intent of the comments can be completely misread.:)

Thanks again for your post.
 
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