i cant beat dennis orcollo

Chris...No offense meant here, but who knows your game (and your potential) better than you? This thread doesn't belong here. Since it appears that it's not your skill that prevents you from beating Orcullo (because apparently you get the spot you wanted), the only other impediment would be your mental game. You might try a sports psychologist for help with that.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

real bartram said:
how come none of the instructors have helped here?
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Scott Lee said:
Chris...No offense meant here, but who knows your game (and your potential) better than you? This thread doesn't belong here. Since it appears that it's not your skill that prevents you from beating Orcullo (because apparently you get the spot you wanted), the only other impediment would be your mental game. You might try a sports psychologist for help with that.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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ok thanks ill look in to it.
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Have a vacation here in Philippines in especially in Manila...if you wanna beat Dennis.. First you should have a lot of training here...There are lot of great pool players around here not juz our Pro's step by step beat them one by one, i'm sure you'll improve, you will learn alot surely, before you'll have a rematch with Dennis...:thumbup::p:D Dont you know lot's of guys can beat Dennis here. ;)
 
Pinoys

SpiderWebComm said:
exactly. the pinoys are 1 ball better off the top because people think they're are unbeatable. f-that. chris has beaten them, schmidt has beaten them, corey's beaten them - they're all human.

I bet if an American catches a gear and runs through their bubble garden with a pin, their speed would drop a few balls overnight.
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I have to agree with this. Years ago in South Carolina when I first started playing. We played in a place managed by a Phillipino. Being teenagers we all thought he was unbeatable. His cue ball control was fantastic. He would spot all of us three balls and rob us of our lunch money. One day a player came through and played him. The thing I remembered about this guy was he didnt play anything fancy just made balls and played simple position. When the pinoys turn came to shoot he uncharacteristically couln't make a straight in shot. The guy had gotten into his head by playing simple mistake free pool. The pinoy hung his cue up so fast he looked like a kid whose mother was standing at the front door waiting to beat his behind. LMAO.
 
Imo there are so many world-class-players around there.....and everyone has the technical abilities to beat em all- it s all about the mental game (and daily training ofc)- the mental part stops each player before winning.....
 
Chris I have to agree with Neil.

Just being honest and coming out and saying that you are looking to better yourself is a HUGE STEP.

Most never even get that far....no matter who you are, whether it be an Effren, a Bartrum, an Archer, whoever you can always improve....and knowing that is what is going to get you to where you want to go.

Keep pushing, don't ever stop, and know thyself
Grey Ghost
 
I think Chris was being facetious in his original post. There's no instructor that can help him beat Dennis unless that instructor wants to keep sending him in until he finds a way to win.

Here's a news flash.... I can't beat Chris Bartram. Can any instructors help me? lol
 
Neil you forget....

Neil said:
Why would you say that?? And, I am surpised you would! That is EXACTLY what Chris needs to beat Dennis! Name one sport that the top players don't use coaches, trainers, instructors, whatever you want to call them. What makes you think pool players couldn't benefit from them??

An objective person could study Chris's game and see where he is coming up short, and what he needs to work on. But, it would take a trained person to do so, hence an instructor. At that level of play, it is the little things that often go overlooked that take their toll in the long run and make the difference.
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pool players think for some reason that they are "special" and not like the other professional sports, like basketball, football, baseball, golf.....they might need coaches and instructors...but Pool players jeez there is no way an instructor of coach could help a pool player advance his game. I've always found that kind of thinking quite ridiculous.

Grey Ghost
 
not so stereotypical...

How come as soon as chris mentioned he couldn't beat a player that happened to be Philipino, it was assumed instantly about orcullo being from the phillipines? Chris never mentioned he couldn't beat Dennis because of being a phillipino. true that going to the phillipines can make you a better player. not because they play great pool but because that's all there is to do there. everywhere you go it's packed people willing to gamble you for any amount big or small. Chris, have you ever had to hustle someone to feed your family or children? Is your focus where it should be for $2 a game? That's a lot of the ambience and mindset over there. You can also find the big sets you're looking for. I like you're attitude, "pants on one leg at a time"...knock em' dead!
 
Neil said:
Why would you say that?? And, I am surpised you would! That is EXACTLY what Chris needs to beat Dennis! Name one sport that the top players don't use coaches, trainers, instructors, whatever you want to call them. What makes you think pool players couldn't benefit from them??

An objective person could study Chris's game and see where he is coming up short, and what he needs to work on. But, it would take a trained person to do so, hence an instructor. At that level of play, it is the little things that often go overlooked that take their toll in the long run and make the difference.
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I said that because I'm pretty sure he wasn't serious in his post. Not saying what you said is wrong. I'm just saying I doubt he posted this thread with a real intention to learn why he can't beat Dennis. Seems to me his was ribbing a little bit and everyone here took him seriously.

I'll also add to say Chris makes balls as good as anyone who posts on this forum. The guy almost never misses, literally. So, how can a coach help him? Teach him to never-ever-ever miss? Strategy is the only thing that will improve his game and I don't know of a coach who can help with that (since, quite frankly - they don't move like he does now - so what could they offer him?). I mean, I saw him pick apart Rodney Morris in person for big money. I doubt he's worrying about anything other than how to beat Dennis to the shot.

The only way Chris will get better is to talk with someone else who was used to being #1 in the world... like Buddy, Allen, Nick, Johnny, etc. This IS NOT a knock on any instructor here, TRUST ME. I love all these guys. Showing Chris drills, picking apart his stroke makes no sense... he makes everything and when it counts... nearly all of the time. Lest someone here thinks they can move like him in 10b or something. Then, maybe Chris can get some advice.

My take is that's why Chris posted. That's like Ernie Els posting on a golf forum about not being able to beat Tiger. No one here knows enough to answer.

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At Chris's level, pool is more like chess than golf. In chess, all the top coaches are grand masters themselves.
 
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Neil said:
I know that Chris probably posted it to knock instructors. But, if he did, the knock is on him. A good instructor CAN help him. A good instructor is not going to go changing his stroke. Why would they? It obviously works quite well for him.

At that level, there are still things he needs to do to get to the next level. A good instructor could help him identify those things that need work. And, in case you hadn't noticed, Tiger Woods has a coach and trainer too. He's smart enough to know that he can't see every little mistake he is making, so he hires someone to help him be the best he can be. And, you are very wrong that no one on here has the ability to help him. There are people on here that can. And, I'm not saying that I am one of them either.

You are making the mistake that just because someone can't play at that level, that they don't know how to pick apart someones game and show them where they are messing up. Don't confuse what instuctors teach most of their students , which the bread and butter are beginners to intermediate players, with what they teach much, much, better players. Very few really good players in this country will bother with an instructor/coach to help them for several reasons. One, they can't afford to (and I'm not talking about just spending a day or two with him and he's got everything he needs, I'm talking about having a coach to actually spend some time with him.) , two- their egos are too big. Look at the other countries that are surpassing us, a lot of them have coaches and actual schools. Why don't we??
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All valid points. I'd be curious to hear from Chris why he feels he loses to Dennis. Does he lose because he misses when he shouldn't or does he lose because he's getting out-moved? If he's missing shots he shouldn't under pressure --- Neil, I 100% agree with you. If he's getting out-moved, I stand by my post. You can't have someone with a 900 chess rating coach someone who is an 1800. It is what it is. The coaches don't know Dennis's strengths and weaknesses (shot/strategy-wise) like another top pro who has matched-up with him as well. Some things aren't coach issues--- they're player issues.
 
understood

Neil said:
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I think you're misunderstanding me. I agree that it was not Chris in mentioning the race and everyone else jumping straight to the country of origin. I'm korean and everybody always hands me their cameras when they're not working. I don't even own a camera. :smile: wasn't knocking anyone, just supporting chris' comment about the FILIPINO players putting pants on one leg at a time attitude. as far as spelling "FILIPINO" wrong, my apologies. The country is the Philipines and assumed the word that generalized the country's race of people would use the same "PH" phonic.
 
teedotaj said:
It's FILIPINOS not Philippinos.

Thank you.
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lol, I can't ever remember how to spell the country name or the people. Over time I just stuck to using/saying pinoy...im such a bad speller i usually have to have some saying or acronym, or rhyme to remember some.

Like connecticut....i HAVE to say it "CONNECT I CUT" in my head, and I can spell it. I have a good size vocabulary but my spelling has never been a strong suit, god bless spell check.:wink:
 
Damn, he didn't look comfortable out there against Bustamante last night.

FWIW Chris, I am no where as good as you are but the commentators pointed out that you were jumping up on your shots (I noticed twice in a row). K not literally jumping but not staying down on your shot. Hope that helps!
 
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