I don't believe you, Randy

Grady

Pro Player
I think the reason you brought up One Pocket was just to annoy me. Let's see if you're serious and really a lover of the cue sports. First of all, forget the invitationals. Do you think I'd tell a Keith he couldn't play in an event.
If you put up $20,000 for One Pocket, I'll raise that much and we'll have a $30,000 added One Pocket World Championship. I'll find the site and make the arrangements and I'll get Accu-stats to come.
Again, no quality player should ever have to sit at home while lesser individuals play in events. Although if you do decide to do an invitational, against my solid advice I don't to see how anybody can justify Charlie being invited. Politics just shouldn't play a role in pool.
 
That's a great gesture, Grady. Offering to partner with Randy in order to build an even greater tournament shows just how much you are willing to give to the game. Others have (incorrectly) perceived your efforts as self-centered, but what they are missing is the fact that you are fighting for all players and in doing so, you are doing what you can (and significantly more than most) to improve the future of the sport. You have my respect.

EDIT: Corrected a spelling error.
 
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Now I am starting to like this better and better!

BUT can't you two discuss in ONE thread instead of starting a new thread everytime you are going to post anything?
 
i agree

i like what grady has proposed.randys a good guy and so is grady .their passionate about the game as we all are.i think if they got together something big could happen.ive been saying this for years.how about this hopkins ,williams ,mathews,goldwater, braun,sullivan ,janis ,and the upa get together and put on some tourneys in america.many hands make light work.all these monster promoters i think could really make something happen if we put our money and effort together.something to think about.i think we need to get high schools into the game and develop tours that pay decent money for aspiring top players to play in where they dont have to play archer,manalo,etc just to win 200.l
 
john schmidt said:
i like what grady has proposed.randys a good guy and so is grady .their passionate about the game as we all are.i think if they got together something big could happen.ive been saying this for years.how about this hopkins ,williams ,mathews,goldwater, braun,sullivan ,janis ,and the upa get together and put on some tourneys in america.many hands make light work.all these monster promoters i think could really make something happen if we put our money and effort together.something to think about.i think we need to get high schools into the game and develop tours that pay decent money for aspiring top players to play in where they dont have to play archer,manalo,etc just to win 200.l

Nice post!!! And so true so true! Who knows, maybe this is the start of a new, great future of pocket billiards in America?

John for president!!! ;)
 
All B.S. and joking aside....this is the best way to handle this Grady. This can be a win/ win for everyone and the sport. Great job, sir.

Southpaw
 
john schmidt said:
i think we need to get high schools into the game and develop tours that pay decent money for aspiring top players to play in where they dont have to play archer,manalo,etc just to win 200.l

JS,
Well said.

I have always said that as soon as you can get a letter for pool in high school; the game (and sales of equipment) will skyrocket.

In addition, let's get pool tables and serious competition into the country clubs....nothing wrong with introducing the game to a bunch of well-to-do men who like to gamble already.

This is an area where the BCA (back in the day when it was at least pretending to be the conservator of the game) really let down the sport. They should have been striving to get the game into the schools and country clubs....THAT would have been a worthy goal; and all the promotional dollars that were squandered over the years would have been better directed to those goals.
 
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john schmidt said:
i like what grady has proposed.randys a good guy and so is grady .their passionate about the game as we all are.i think if they got together something big could happen.ive been saying this for years.how about this hopkins ,williams ,mathews,goldwater, braun,sullivan ,janis ,and the upa get together and put on some tourneys in america.many hands make light work.all these monster promoters i think could really make something happen if we put our money and effort together.something to think about.i think we need to get high schools into the game and develop tours that pay decent money for aspiring top players to play in where they dont have to play archer,manalo,etc just to win 200.l

One of the first things to come out of one of these Grady "quality players shouldn't have to sit at home I hate Charlie Williams" threads that sounds anything like sense. Working together should be the goal.

Now who's going to prove they're willing to meet in the middle, and who's stubbornly set on either having their way or taking their ball and going home? That's the test of who really wants what's best for pool.

-Andrew
 
hi

i totally agree.high school kids come into the poolroom all the time where i play.they come up and go crazy when i show them neat shots etc.they then want lessons a cue etc.when they hear that i make a living playing and travel and get a touch of fame and money believe they want to put down their xbox,golf club,etc and give pool a try.i see it everyday, the young kids high school or even middle school is where its at.just my 2 cents
 
Williebetmore said:
JS,
Well said.

I have always said that as soon as you can get a letter for pool in high school; the game (and sales of equipment) will skyrocket.

In addition, let's get pool tables and serious competition into the country clubs....nothing wrong with introducing the game to a bunch of well-to-do men who like to gamble already.

This is an area where the BCA (back in the day when it was at least pretending to be the conservator of the game) really let down the sport. They should have been striving to get the game into the schools and country clubs....THAT would have been a worthy goal; and all the promotional dollars that were squandered over the years would have been better directed to those goals.


I just sent off a letter to my customer and the largest billiard supplier in Louisiana offering your suggestion. With a SUBSTANTIAL DISCOUNT to schools by the billiard table manufacturers/distributors, the schools may be willing to add "POOL" to their curriculum, since mom & dad are already playing in the pool leagues and approve of the sport. As the schools offer the pool course, teens will badger their parents to get a table for the house. SAVVY parents will already have figured out that it is easy to keep an eye on their children and their chidren's friends if they are under their nose. Money will soon be re-directed from arcades, movie theatres etc to pool tables and equipment.

Great idea.

I would suggest each person who is inclined to do so, crank off an email to your local big name pool table distributor in your town.

A first draft below which can surely be improved by anyone interested is below for your use.

SAMPLE LETTER to LOCAL BILLIARD TABLE DISTRIBUTOR

Some of my peers (around the world) have been having discussions for years about pool in general and one of the discussions about pool table sales and who should the tables be sold to and why. I thought I would share a couple of thoughts with you in case you want your sales department to pursue this line of thinking.

In order for pool to become more mainstream, one of the things that is necessary is for young people to become more involved with the sport. We think that a special promotion for schools is the way to go. I think Brunswick would want to participate in the building of this program and offer special discounts. It is one way for them to beat back their strong competition from other table mfgs.

If distributors around the country were to offer one or two tables at SUBSTANTIALLY REDUCED PRICES, even perhaps at YOUR BEST TABLE MANUFACTURER cost to the schools, they may be more inclined to purchase them and make pool a part of their curriculum. Then as the students start playing pool they will pushing their parents to get a table for their home. Parents want their children to stay at home and they want to know who their friends are and to keep an eye on what's going on in their children's lives. They would be inclined to purchase tables to achieve this goal providing they have the room and the resources. The table sales to schools is the seed that will bring additional sales and growth.

The other target audience is COUNTRY CLUBS AND PRIVATE CLUBS. These are the people with money to spend. These people are already "gaming" type people who enjoy playing golf and other gaming sports. It is a natural that every country club should have a GRAND pool table for their memberships benefit. The more they are involved in pool, the more likely the rest will follow.

The high school and college table sales, especially the high school table sales is where its at and what has the biggest chance of return for you and the pool world in general.

Just the collective thoughts of pool players all over the world.

JoeyA
 
Grady said:
I think the reason you brought up One Pocket was just to annoy me. Let's see if you're serious and really a lover of the cue sports. First of all, forget the invitationals. Do you think I'd tell a Keith he couldn't play in an event.
If you put up $20,000 for One Pocket, I'll raise that much and we'll have a $30,000 added One Pocket World Championship. I'll find the site and make the arrangements and I'll get Accu-stats to come.
Again, no quality player should ever have to sit at home while lesser individuals play in events. Although if you do decide to do an invitational, against my solid advice I don't to see how anybody can justify Charlie being invited. Politics just shouldn't play a role in pool.

While this appears to be a challenge to Randy, it may have the makings of something very positive. I hope that Randy accepts your challenge Grady. It could be the seed of something very productive.

It is far better to have our country's best promoters pulling in the same direction. I am thinking that like the Challenge of Champions Tournament, the big money tournaments are far more likely to be filmed for posterity and television viewing which is what we eventually need to get to.

I hope the egos of the promoters can be pacified with the realization that while a united effort with multiple promoters means less control it also means that a greater accomplishment is possible and for a greater good.
JoeyA
JoeyA
 
john schmidt said:
i like what grady has proposed.randys a good guy and so is grady .their passionate about the game as we all are.i think if they got together something big could happen.ive been saying this for years.how about this hopkins ,williams ,mathews,goldwater, braun,sullivan ,janis ,and the upa get together and put on some tourneys in america.many hands make light work.all these monster promoters i think could really make something happen if we put our money and effort together.something to think about.i think we need to get high schools into the game and develop tours that pay decent money for aspiring top players to play in where they dont have to play archer,manalo,etc just to win 200.l
John,

This is one of the best posts i've read in a while about pool and a way to make it grow. If something like you've proposed could actually happen it might be a starting point to give pool the boost it needs.

James
 
Williebetmore said:
JS,
Well said.

I have always said that as soon as you can get a letter for pool in high school; the game (and sales of equipment) will skyrocket.

In addition, let's get pool tables and serious competition into the country clubs....nothing wrong with introducing the game to a bunch of well-to-do men who like to gamble already.QUOTE]

These are two good ideas, but I think it would be a huge challenge getting pool into high schools. No matter what people say and try to do for the sport, pool will always have a certain stigma surrounding it. No matter how often it is shown on T.V. or how many people play leagues, most people will still associate pool with gambling. Willie, even you allude to it in your second paragraph. Once again, great ideas, but I think the first school to implement pool will be facing an up-hill battle.
 
rossaroni said:


These are two good ideas, but I think it would be a huge challenge getting pool into high schools. No matter what people say and try to do for the sport, pool will always have a certain stigma surrounding it. No matter how often it is shown on T.V. or how many people play leagues, most people will still associate pool with gambling. Willie, even you allude to it in your second paragraph. Once again, great ideas, but I think the first school to implement pool will be facing an up-hill battle.


Dawn Hopkins is working with a billiard education non-profit that does just that. There are two or three Chicago high schools that have an inter-school pool league, not unlike their football or basketball programs.

There are schools out there... just not many.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
rossaroni said:
Dawn Hopkins is working with a billiard education non-profit that does just that. There are two or three Chicago high schools that have an inter-school pool league, not unlike their football or basketball programs.

There are schools out there... just not many.

Hopefully they succeed and more schools will follow.
 
jimmyg said:
Randy, great, unselfish, non-ego, low profile, high quality, action response.

Jim

I agree and maybe so will my friend, Grady.
JoeyA
 
Finally, after reading this thread I think it's possible pool may have a bright future.

I hope Grady & Randy can work something out & I think John's suggestions are outstanding.
 
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