i must be doing SOMETHING wrong

masonh said:
since you faced it again,i don't see anything at all then with super glue as a sealer.it actually works quite well.

i use the fiber pretty frequently and they are pretty good about not bleeding actually.to me they seem to do better than phenolic at not bleeding.

i think it just expanded on you.the glue probably wasn't 100% cured and when the cutter layed the ring over it pushed it out a little and it expanded.

hopefully the cue is oversized enough that you can sand enough off to get it back to .015".i have only had this problem when i used to try and shave them with the flat-face cutting toll in the tool post.how fast is the router bit spinning?
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it sat over nite mason, before turning
router is at 30,000 rpm
 
Run the lathe in the other direction. You want to climb mill and it sounds as if you are conventional milling. Make sure your cutter is sharp also.

Dick
 
Post a pic Brent , would like to see it and then could tell you more accurately what it is. Also if the glue was just a hair off in mixing , it could have not been dry. Some epoxies have that problem as you get farther down the tube due to trapped air. So it could have been still soft. I have seen this happen after weeks of hanging. Pics would be helpful to figure this one out. If you have done all the above , it is a mystery !!!!!
Thanx,
Jim Lee
 
Ok, try this to check. Take a toothpick and press it around the ring and see if the glue is soft. I have this feeling your glue never set up. If it leaves a dot in several places around that ring , this is the problem on this one. If not , I will keep thinking.
Thanx and trying to solve the BHQ Ring mystery! Scooby Doo might be our next way to go. LOL
Thanx,
Jim lee
 
J&D CUSTOMS said:
Ok, try this to check. Take a toothpick and press it around the ring and see if the glue is soft. I have this feeling your glue never set up. If it leaves a dot in several places around that ring , this is the problem on this one. If not , I will keep thinking.
Thanx and trying to solve the BHQ Ring mystery! Scooby Doo might be our next way to go. LOL
Thanx,
Jim lee
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from a few posts above

i dug thru the garbage to find the scrap i mixed the epoxy on when i did that section.
there was just a touch of black stuff on the popsicle stick i used to apply the epoxy on the rings
i guess it was just some bleed from the fiber rings
 
J&D CUSTOMS said:
Brent, It's your speed. You are passing by the ring to fast for the blades to cut it. With the ring that small , slow it down. You will find that a small ring , will roll , and can be easily remedied by a razor blade turned on it side at an angle. It will sharpen up the ring back to normal. Also , why would you super glue the end of the wood? That can cause the ring not to seat and will allow it to push off the wood, also causing this. The epoxy depending on which kind you use has 1500 to 2500 pounds of holding power per square inch. Heck of alot stronger than any super glue. Plus by using the super gluew , you are putting a barrier between the wood and the ring not letting the epoxy soak in and set into the wood. Sometime allowing small glue lines to appear over time.
Just my 2 cents ,
Jim Lee
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I agree with Jim
 
So you want to build cues...Hey?
First thing I would do is go into your shop, collect all those fiber rings, and then walk to the nearest trash can and unload them. Problem after problem after problem......and some of those problems you haven't even seen yet because they haven't been on your cues long enough.
Take the extra time....cut your rings from ebony and keep everything in a happy state.
Do you want to build cues or just stand on the assembly line and glue parts together?
I'm surprised your teacher allowed you to use them!~!



<~~~learning the hard way is only half the fun.................
 
Honestly, in twenty years of building cues I have never seen a fibre ring widen-out. I've seen metal rings do it and discovered WHY they do it. Either your cutter bit is not sharp (or just plain the wrong bit), or your epoxy isn't sufficiently cured. On a couple of occasions I've cut a ring-set with an 'AR' carbide bit. This is not the best bit for this operation. An 'AR' bit cuts to a sq. shoulder and when cutting a ring-set, will side-load the ring while it cuts and will actually force the ring to lay over. It started laying over so badly that it actually moved the phenolic ring behind it. Drawing on experience, I moved to a HSS bit with a wide radius 'cut' section and have never had the problem since. The wide radius provides plenty of 'lead' angle and doesn't side-load whatever ring you're cutting. It provides more of a shaving action.

As a side note, HSS will take a keener edge than carbide. You may have to 'dress' it a little more often than carbide but isn't that more desirable than redoing ring-work? I hope this helps, KJ
 
BarenbruggeCues said:
So you want to build cues...Hey?
First thing I would do is go into your shop, collect all those fiber rings, and then walk to the nearest trash can and unload them. Problem after problem after problem......and some of those problems you haven't even seen yet because they haven't been on your cues long enough.
Take the extra time....cut your rings from ebony and keep everything in a happy state.
Do you want to build cues or just stand on the assembly line and glue parts together?
I'm surprised your teacher allowed you to use them!~!



<~~~learning the hard way is only half the fun.................
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I'm surprised your teacher allowed you to use them!~! he does use them. seen in person recently
 
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JoeyInCali said:
Cut any at 15 thou thick?:eek:
I stay around 30 thou minimum on phenolics and wood.
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Yeah, I can cut phenolic alot thinner then ebony. If I go too thin, the ebony just rolls over, and is very fragile. That's if It doesn't break.

I aggree with Dave on the fibre. I've never been a fan of It used in rings, and why I have stayed away from using It. Amoung many issues that concern me, It seems to swell much more then metal, and if there's a way to stop that, Other then sealing, I wouldn't know what that method is, so I've just stayed away from them altogether, but now I have to match some color in some ringwork, and some red fibre I got looks like the closest match I'm gonna get, but It's against My common sense, or lack of it, who knows:rolleyes: :D to use. I guess I'll get to see first hand.:)
 
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