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To the OP:

In the beginning you might want to start off with an ideal breakshot (large cut angle) to scatter the balls well, to get a feeling for running the balls. Later you will have to work with situations where the break is sub-obtimal and you have only a couple of balls away from the stack, but that as I said, is for later.

There are some principles on how to run the balls. I was taught these guidelines by possibly the best straight pool player in my country, I've added some stuff to it over the years and this is my take on what he said:

1. After the breakshot you look the table over carefully. With a classic Mosconi breakshot you will often have a lot of balls scattered in the rack area and lower part of the table. Identify balls that lie in the way, blocking several other balls from going. Remove these balls first.

2. If the balls are well scattered you can wait a little bit with your secondary breakshots (breaking up clusters). If there are lots of balls around the cluster you risk forming a new cluster with the broken up balls. Try to make a plan for how to do it. Identify balls that you can break the balls with, and try to always keep a safety ball to shoot if you stick to the cluster. (In the beginning of learning the game I personally feel it's beneficial to be overly aggressive, if you see a way to break up a cluster, just go for it. You will learn how to do it more methodically later, especially since you haven't gotten through a rack yet).

3. Cleaning up phase, the balls are open: Remove balls that are frozen on the rail. There are some exceptions to this rule, but following it strictly at first is a good idea. These balls are problematic because you are limited in your position options. If the ball is just a fraction off the rail, it is not really a problem. Try your best not to leave frozen balls as key balls, as you need to get absolutely perfect on them. There are very few exceptions, that come up quite rarely.

4. Lone balls up table. These need to go away before your end pattern. In some rare cases you can use them for key balls, but if they are far away from the pockets, this is not usually a good idea. If you wait too long, you will have a limited number of balls to get position on and a small position zone with long cue ball travel=not good.

This was advice he gave me personally on running the balls, but I think it might help you as well: In the beginning there are lots of available shots, but also many chances to snooker yourself. For beginners it's easy to take it for granted and get out of position. Try to make sure to play the cueball into safe areas, to avoid accidentally snookering yourself after brushing a ball or missing position. Be very aware of angles, and make sure you don't end up in the "position of death", straight in, with the cueball on the rail. Ending up like that often causes a chain reaction of getting more and more out of line, and ending your run, or trying to force an angle and miss. You may also have to shoot away your key/breakballs etc to recover. He emphasized this with me, because I tried to get straight in on everything.

Do not bump balls unless necessary. If the ball goes, don't move it, or at least make sure you move it into an open area.

Be an opportunist: Sometimes you will accidentally end up with a perfect angle to solve some problem or other. Don't be stubborn, change your plan to take advantage. Look carefully at each shot. It doesn't take a lot of time, a couple of seconds does the trick, look around quickly and then go down. Don't take forever. You won't be able to follow your plan 100% anyway, nobody is that good, no matter what they tell you.
 
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I just started playing and LOVE it. I practice alone a lot and am kind of bored of racking 8 and 9 ball. I still suck at both but I needed a change. I've watched 14.1 a fair amount on youtube but it's always matches and I didn't even think to practice it alone until I seen someone mention bih break shot and go.

I played my first few games the other night, small cut in the side and run into the rack. I'm as terrible at this as I am at every other game of pool I've played with my high run of 11 but I'm having so much fun with it. It's fun to have a score to try to beat and a number to measure. I'll occasionally run in 8 and 9 ball and I know you can see how many racks you string and such but in 14.1 you have an actual number that you are trying to beat and it's easier to keep track of progress imo. :)

I'll be spending a lot of time around here looking for tips and tricks. :)

Look for this book by Johnny Holliday (holiday may be misspelled)...titled Position Play For High Runs....it will give you a good understanding of this game and patterns. I'm guessing it was written in the late sixties....as I read it during my college years. 67-71
 
Look for this book by Johnny Holliday (holiday may be misspelled)...titled Position Play For High Runs....it will give you a good understanding of this game and patterns. I'm guessing it was written in the late sixties....as I read it during my college years. 67-71

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/14661539/Position Play for High Runs.pdf

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ha89r3vkla7u6mc/AADSGprifir6ZE_FuV9DKRQ4a?dl=0



These are the holiday books. Back before George Fels, these were the only things around.
 

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These are the holiday books. Back before George Fels, these were the only things around.

these sound like great books, wish they were still available. or maybe in e-book or pdf form.

looked online and i coundt find any of them for sale !!

-Steve
 
These are the holiday books. Back before George Fels, these were the only things around.

The were published in 1973, 1977, and 1984. At the same time there were the two books by Mosconi but that is pretty basic info. But not so basic that all champions know it.;)
 
these sound like great books, wish they were still available. or maybe in e-book or pdf form.

looked online and i coundt find any of them for sale !!

-Steve

Steve -- Are you, perhaps, using a computer from the same era as these books? Just kidding. I, too, thought they sounded interesting, and went looking online. Found and ordered one of them right away (Continuous High Runs, the only one for which I ran a search -- who wouldn't want continuous high runs :) ) on Amazon and a couple of other sources. Reasonable cost for a paperback edition advertised as being new. Here's a link to the Amazon listing: http://www.amazon.com/Continuous-Hi-Runs-Johnny-Holiday/dp/B000UZPN1Q

Regards, Seth.
 
Loving all the great advice and I'll be looking into these books. I've watched a few of the high run video's posted here and have been watching more videos on YouTube.

I got out and practiced for a couple hours tonight but didn't record. I love the game but WOW can it be frustrating! I think I spent as much time racking as I did shooting. I tried breaking from different areas and I'm liking breaking from behind the rack but still struggling breaking into the corner for some reason. I'm just not leaving myself a shot and putting a lot of balls up table. Should I be breaking softer and just picking off the cluster or when you practice alone is it a good idea to just get the best spread possible?
 
You should definitely work on mastering the side of the pack break shot. HOF player Jim Rempe recommends to hit the break shot as if the cue ball were to go 3 rails. In other words, set up a side pack break shot with the cue ball 1 or 2 ball diameters closer to the side rail than the break ball. Clear all the other balls out of the way. Just shoot this shot so the cue ball comes around 2 rails and then contacts the third rail way up table. Then rack the balls and see how the balls open up at this speed break shot. Cloth/ball cleanliness will dictate how hard you need to hit them ultimately.

I'd say if you move better than half the balls out of the rack area you've got a reasonable break shot.

The only negative with the behind the rack break is that it makes you chase 3 or 4 balls up to the head of the table.
 
The were published in 1973, 1977, and 1984. At the same time there were the two books by Mosconi but that is pretty basic info. But not so basic that all champions know it.;)

The Holiday books were very influential for my early game development. I read them and set up each of the tiny diagrams on my table and played them endlessly. I even went to the extent of exchanging letters with Mr. Holiday as he encouraged written Q&A in back of his books. I still have two letters in my billiard collection where he answers a couple of questions (in two pages of detail!) I had concerning certain plays. Anyone, especially aspiring players, will learn something from these books. Likewise, the Kollins diagrams posted above.
 
Steve -- Are you, perhaps, using a computer from the same era as these books? Just kidding. I, too, thought they sounded interesting, and went looking online. Found and ordered one of them right away (Continuous High Runs, the only one for which I ran a search -- who wouldn't want continuous high runs :) ) on Amazon and a couple of other sources. Reasonable cost for a paperback edition advertised as being new. Here's a link to the Amazon listing: http://www.amazon.com/Continuous-Hi-Runs-Johnny-Holiday/dp/B000UZPN1Q

Regards, Seth.

Additionally, DMGWALSH posted a link to the pdf above in post #23 to Position Play for Hi-Runs.
 
Steve -- Are you, perhaps, using a computer from the same era as these books? Just kidding. I, too, thought they sounded interesting, and went looking online. Found and ordered one of them right away (Continuous High Runs, the only one for which I ran a search -- who wouldn't want continuous high runs :) ) on Amazon and a couple of other sources. Reasonable cost for a paperback edition advertised as being new. Here's a link to the Amazon listing: http://www.amazon.com/Continuous-Hi-Runs-Johnny-Holiday/dp/B000UZPN1Q

Regards, Seth.


Thanks Seth,

I had looked real quick while i was at work, but had to shut down my internet because the Boss Man was coming my way !!! LOL

I'll check out the link, and pass the info onto some of my league players !!!

and Thanks Dennis, for providing the links that you did to the PDF's

-Steve
 
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