I want the special Filler 12.4 Revo
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After just watching Filler beat Lunda in 1-pocket in under 12 minutes, I too want the special Filler 12.4 Revo.
Flakeandrun
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The power of capitalism compels you. The power of consumerism compels you
That was all Filler... not some magic shaft.
I was once told I had a magic shaft, but nothing to do with pool. More to do with my ex-wife wanting a new pair of shoes.
I'm amazed how people think the top players are gods and can play with anything. Where do they get this idea? There is so much evidence to the contrary. Like the video in the first post...interviewing the best player in the world lol
Tadaimarlon
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Fixed it for you:
I'm amazed how people think the top cue brands offer magic cues and magic shafts that will improve their game like nothing else. Where do they get this idea? There is so much evidence to the contrary.
Flakeandrun
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I blame my bad performances on anything but myself too...
They're not Gods. they're just better than you and me... For what could be any number of reasons; physical or mental genetics leading to more natural hand/eye co-ordination, mechanics, logic, attitude. But also, differing levels of time playing, differing levels of exposure to other talented players and thought process to the game. So many things beyond a stick.
As mentioned, I am not denying the importance of familiarity with the equipment, or the ideas that influence perception of equipment leading up to that.
But to believe a piece of equipment is going to truly influence your game (beyond the acknowledged placebo) to the extent you suggest, seems more than a little ludicrous to me (and I am not saying it's just you... as mentioned, the pool industry is full of useless shite... sadly, it's part of what funds the game and it's survival... It's in part where the $$$ come from that has enabled your favorite players to make a living from the game).
Flakeandrun
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100%
The world is a bit more complicated than this. People can be slightly better or slightly worse with a variety of cues. Yes SVB is good enough to beat most people with any cue. Does that mean he will win a world title if you hand him a new cue at the start of the tournament?
The fact that Tiger Woods can beat me with wooden clubs doesn't make mean he'll win the Masters with them. Or that wood is the same as metal
Flakeandrun
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I don't think he's denying that... and neither am I.
In the context of the world, and the systems that are laid out for us. We are encouraged to spend on tat. Spend on anything, and in anyway we choose (whether that is really 'freedom', when we are stupid enough creatures to be coerced in many ways is up for debate...
)But realistically, is a shaft going to raise your game to a level that justifies the $$$ spent? Only you can decide that. Does it even need to raise your game? Maybe you just like it? Who should actually care?
I think it is important to care... as it dictates the direction of the game we know and love...
And realistically, for the points raised previously. It seems kind of a waste of money.
This guy shafts.The power of capitalism compels you. The power of consumerism compels you
That was all Filler... not some magic shaft.
I was once told I had a magic shaft, but nothing to do with pool. More to do with my ex-wife wanting a new pair of shoes.
If it improves my game 1%, it's worth it to me. Trying to discuss equipment differences by trying to bring up money is not how you debate, its a diversion. Who cares if someone wants to buy xyzI don't think he's denying that... and neither am I.
In the context of the world, and the systems that are laid out for us. We are encouraged to spend on tat. Spend on anything, and in anyway we choose (whether that is really 'freedom', when we are stupid enough creatures to be coerced in many ways is up for debate...
But realistically, is a shaft going to raise your game to a level that justifies the $$$ spent? Only you can decide that. Does it even need to raise your game? Maybe you just like it? Who should actually care?
I think it is important to care... as it dictates the direction of the game we know and love...
And realistically, for the points raised previously. It seems kind of a waste of money.
Golf is the perfect example of a sport where good equipment definitely makes the game easier for beginners and pros. Pool is similar with deflection but people don't realize the how large the difference between high and low deflection cues. Also thinner diameters are harder to use, which is why I want a 12.4 which deflects like my 11.8.
Flakeandrun
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Diversion from what? Is money not wholly relevant to this conversation? Why they keep coming up with new 'tech' that doesn't really bring all that much to the table? It's in part how they convince you that you might need it... along with the endorsement of the players contractually obliged to say nice things about the equipment... That money you spend is the money that influences the future direction of the companies, and the material they present about the sport you love... It influences the equipment and stance of the pros on their roster. So I would argue that money is wholly relevant... not that I am really arguing, not something I'd waste too much breath on, just some tippy tapping while I am bored at work
As mentioned, we are 'free' to spend and believe whatever we like. You like it. You deem it useful to you. Good for you
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Filler would be right back up to full speed in about 20 min, don't you worry about that!
If anybody wants to go down the rabbit hole for us, whether or not svb hit a slump when he changed would be easily determined by his results at that time.
This thread 
Everyone needs to review logical fallacies and results oriented thinking. Throw in basic journalism
Everyone needs to review logical fallacies and results oriented thinking. Throw in basic journalism
I used to know a guy who rented race cars and just drove around the track, he’d go fast and look cool but he wasn’t a race car driver and would have no chance wining a race. Its fun to have new things but if anyone thinks there is or ever will be a magical shaft out there, that could elevate the average player to top tier status, there isn’t and never will be…otherwise everyone would play in the Bigfoot challenge 
Flakeandrun
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Was the video you posted targeted at the statement above?This thread
Yes, you could log into J-stor or some other academic library, have an 80's style montage of research clips and brow sweat, then really have some reference to stick a nail in this... You could also have some real life, physical data, to emphasize the point beyond your subjective desire to own a new shaft (for reasons relating to only you). I'm talking graphs, charts and detailed analysis. Let's put on some white coats and get @justnum involved? Tadaimarlon
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You're wasting your time with this dude. Pool players are influencers they play with whatever brand offers them the most money.Was the video you posted targeted at the statement above?
It's the same as fitness influencers saying they got ripped because they used this creatine and that whey powder..
Sure, not every shaft on the market plays great. But for a dude like Filler it makes no difference if he plays with a Revo, a Cynergy, Mezz or whatever. Modern brands are all very similar. Even the modern wood shafts by custom cue makers aren't like the old ones, they are also low deflection. The KO brothers for example, play with Zen wood shafts.
Just the way you asked tells me no answer will make sense to you. It’s incredibly easy to add deflection.
Right I know I come across pretty stupid. I don't even know what deflection really is. A debate device?
They aren't similar. Even Filler says in the interview. Did you watch the posted video? Predator even gives you this information, or look at Dr Dave. Clearly not all shafts hit the same. This is a game of millimeters