If I was promoting major pool tournaments!

I know what I'm talking about is way beyond anyones ability to see the light, but as I said, there are a few on here that know exactly what I'm working on...and it's almost done.

Everyone has cried about...if we could just get a sponsor pool would explode...over and over and over. Tried that with Camel, that didn't work, tried it with Miller beer, that didn't work...the PROBLEM you all have...is you keep looking for a welfare system of sponsorship to come in and SAVE the day...after all, it's just money....and it shouldn't mean anything to a fortune 500 company...right? Well, I'm hear to say...NO fortune 500 company got to where they are today....by just GIVING money away...to a bunch of cry babies...saying...OH PLEASE give us your money and we'll smoke your cigarettes, drink your beer...or what ever.

I've said it before...the only way you'll ever bring in a sponsor...is if you can make THEM more money....than what they're sponsoring the pool tournaments with....and NO ONE...has come up with a viable way of doing this....to date, let alone how it would even be ran...so that the whole pool playing world would get a chance to partisapate...in an organized, productive way.

Here's something for all of you to think about...take ALL the pool leagues on the planet....form them under one title called the "World Pool Leagues"....unifiy the rules...then break the world up into divisions...called other countries...and at the end of the season...call it a world championship....need an example of how to do this.....take a look at "LITTLE LEAGUE BASEBALL"...though the Minnesota Twins have won a world championship in major league baseball....did they beat the whole world to win that championship???????????....in "LITTLE LEAGUE BASEBALL"....the WHOLE world plays...and to win THAT world Title...to me, is more impressive than winning the world series of baseball.

THINK ABOUT IT.................

PS, I might also add....the "LITTLE LEAGUE WORLD CHAMPIONS"....DON"T get PAID to play!
 
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Take this a little further guys...imagine if you will...1024 pool rooms around the world with at least 8 9ft tables each, all paying $500 per location, $512,000 total payed in...to my orginazion...as 100% added money...to go along with the already added money...from "a sponsor"...with each location hosting the first leg of the "World Series of Pool"...ending up with the final 1,028 first place players advancing on to the world finals...BUT....before a player can participant in this "World Series of Pool"...each player MUST take a rating test in order to be classified as to WHICH division they're playing in...either "PRO"..."SEMI-PRO"..."ADVANCED"....OR..."AMATURE"...at a cost of $100 per person...per test, plus $50 to the "Official" administering the skill level testing....AND...any player can repeat the skill level test as many times as he/she wishes in order to improve their standings...until the cut off date when all scores are final!....And there's even more....:D

Glen
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God bless you Glen but good luck in signing up TWENTY FOUR poolrooms, let alone ONE THOUSAND AND TWENTY FOUR! It ain't as easy as it sounds. Time consuming and labor intensive.

Did you tell us how many players will be playing in each leg? And ALL these thousands of players need to be "tested?" That will take how long? Weeks, months or years? And you will have "officials" testing them? How many of them do you need and where do they come from? Plus you say there will be "repeat" tests? And everyone has to pay $100 to be tested before they can play! You're dreaming here.

And you say there's even more to come? How much more do you want? You already have outlined an endeavor that would take a fairly good sized company of people, working full time, months to accomplish. Who's paying the overhead and payroll? You?

I'm sorry buddy, but you've got too much time on your hands. I love your table work, and all the ways you're improving the quality of the pool tables we play on. But I'm not quite ready to follow you down this yellow brick road.
 
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realkingcobra said:
I know what I'm talking about is way beyond anyones ability to see the light, but as I said, there are a few on here that know exactly what I'm working on...and it's almost done.

Everyone has cried about...if we could just get a sponsor pool would explode...over and over and over. Tried that with Camel, that didn't work, tried it with Miller beer, that didn't work...the PROBLEM you all have...is you keep looking for a welfare system of sponsorship to come in and SAVE the day...after all, it's just money....and it shouldn't mean anything to a fortune 500 company...right? Well, I'm hear to say...NO fortune 500 company got to where they are today....by just GIVING money away...to a bunch of cry babies...saying...OH PLEASE give us your money and we'll smoke your cigarettes, drink your beer...or what ever.

I've said it before...the only way you'll ever bring in a sponsor...is if you can make THEM more money....than what they're sponsoring the pool tournaments with....and NO ONE...has come up with a viable way of doing this....to date, let alone how it would even be ran...so that the whole pool playing world would get a chance to partisapate...in an organized, productive way.

Here's something for all of you to think about...take ALL the pool leagues on the planet....form them under one title called the "World Pool Leagues"....unifiy the rules...then break the world up into divisions...called other countries...and at the end of the season...call it a world championship....need an example of how to do this.....take a look at "LITTLE LEAGUE BASEBALL"...though the Minnesota Twins have won a world championship in major league baseball....did they beat the whole world to win that championship???????????....in "LITTLE LEAGUE BASEBALL"....the WHOLE world plays...and to win THAT world Title...to me, is more impressive than winning the world series of baseball.

THINK ABOUT IT.................

PS, I might also add....the "LITTLE LEAGUE WORLD CHAMPIONS"....DON"T get PAID to play!
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Some good ideas here; unfortunately pool leagues have only really caught on in the USA. Someone will have to quickly organize pool leagues in all the other countries that you want to participate. Kind of like what the Little League did over a twenty year period. One other small problem, the unified set of rules. If you can get all the different leagues (handicapped and otherwise) to agree on one uniform set of rules, you are the all time God-Genius of the pool world!
 
jay helfert said:
God bless you Glen but good luck in signing up TWENTY FOUR poolrooms, let alone ONE THOUSAND AND TWENTY FOUR! It ain't as easy as it sounds. Time consuming and labor intensive.

Did you tell us how many players will be playing in each leg? And ALL these thousands of players need to be "tested?" That will take how long? Weeks, months or years? And you will have "officials" testing them? How many of them do you need and where do they come from? Plus you say there will be "repeat" tests? And everyone has to pay $100 to be tested before they can play! You're dreaming here.

And you say there's even more to come? How much more do you want? You already have outlined an endeavor that would take a fairly good sized company of people, working full time, months to accomplish. Who's paying the overhead and payroll? You?

I'm sorry buddy, but you've got too much time on your hands. I love your table work, and all the ways you're improving the quality of the pool tables we play on. But I'm not quite ready to follow you down this yellow brick road.
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Much easier than you'd think Jay;)...think NASCAR...just because you show up with your race car...don't mean you're going to be racing...you still have to make it through the time trials buddy...to be in the finals for race day with the other PRO'S:D...I'll give you a little hint Jay...you know that little 5 rack 1hole challenge match you like to put on at the DCC....well, take that to the next level...if you want to play in a $$$$$$$$$ as a PRO...then you're going to have to take a 20 rack test, same rules as yours Jay...only, it's going to cost you $100 to take the test, $50 to the official...NOW..how many balls can you make with 20 racks.....because the top 128 scores....ARE the Pro's for the major$$$$$...and those that fall short, well...they fall into the Semi-Pros, Advanced, and amateur brackets....so...no one is left out, so everyone plays...NOW...if you don't like your score because you're at say....130th on the list...or maybe 140th...and you feel you can do better...then by all means....keep on testing, but when the cut off date has come and gone...so have all the chances to reposition yourself on the players ladder...because now it's time to start the playoffs...in all the different divisions:D

Glen
 
jay helfert said:
Some good ideas here; unfortunately pool leagues have only really caught on in the USA. Someone will have to quickly organize pool leagues in all the other countries that you want to participate. Kind of like what the Little League did over a twenty year period. One other small problem, the unified set of rules. If you can get all the different leagues (handicapped and otherwise) to agree on one uniform set of rules, you are the all time God-Genius of the pool world!
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One challenge at a time Jay:rotflmao:
 
Well Mr. Jay Helfert, you are obviously a knowledgeable man in the world of pool. And, I am very impressed that you can "hold your tongue" in the face of the verbal diarrhea been put forth in the fantasy land of our great pool promoter.

It would be a pleasure at any time to have a conversation with you Jay. I always have time for pool and pool related issues. I am also going to research the WBT, so that I can learn about it.

As for the most prolific ( look it up) poster, I highly recommend that you change whatever it is about your lifestyle that is so severely altering your reality, and causing you to actually believe these wild delusions without a shred of forethought or knowledge. I have a few guesses.

It deeply saddens me that one, and actually a few others, when presented with the exact problems faced, still stick to delusion.

And thanks to Dictionary.com, for providing this, for those who are ignorant to the meaning of ignorant.

adjective
1.lacking in knowledge or training; unlearned: an ignorant man.
2.lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact: ignorant of quantum physics.
3.uninformed; unaware.
4.due to or showing lack of knowledge or training: an ignorant statement.

In no way does ignorant mean stupid, dumb, or anything even slightly resembling that. It simply means lacking in specific knowledge.
 
Dreaming, and thinking, and planning are all free. Talking about big plans, working out specifics and details, again all free. Why the hate?

We have someone who tries to put together a plan that might be workable and able to create a united national pool championship. For all levels of play. And he is met with derision.

Do I think that this plan will ever come to pass, probably not. Too many moving parts on a national scale for it to all come together. But does that stop me from wanting it to happen, NO! If Cobra wants to make the attempt I will support his efforts however I can, if only being able to provide encouragement.

Jay has been reasonable in his dissent, and appears to be showing where things could go wrong. I'm betting he would be a big supporter if the event ever tries to get started, past the talking stage. Someone else here, however, is all too typical of todays keyboard cowboys. Extremely quick to put down anyone or anything as wrong, or invalid, and impossible.

(For the record, I thought The Machines idea for small local tourneys was great, as well. And I felt the same way about the negative responses he received, as well.)

Keep "dreaming" Cobra. I'm hoping you make it a reality. And the larger point is, if you do attempt it, and don't reach the ultimate goal, you will have gotten plenty accomplished in the attempt. If there were more people like you willing to try to fix a problem, we'd have fewer problems. Eventually.
 
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The Machine said:
Well Mr. Jay Helfert, you are obviously a knowledgeable man in the world of pool. And, I am very impressed that you can "hold your tongue" in the face of the verbal diarrhea been put forth in the fantasy land of our great pool promoter.

It would be a pleasure at any time to have a conversation with you Jay. I always have time for pool and pool related issues. I am also going to research the WBT, so that I can learn about it.

As for the most prolific ( look it up) poster, I highly recommend that you change whatever it is about your lifestyle that is so severely altering your reality, and causing you to actually believe these wild delusions without a shred of forethought or knowledge. I have a few guesses.

It deeply saddens me that one, and actually a few others, when presented with the exact problems faced, still stick to delusion.

And thanks to Dictionary.com, for providing this, for those who are ignorant to the meaning of ignorant.

adjective
1.lacking in knowledge or training; unlearned: an ignorant man.
2.lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact: ignorant of quantum physics.
3.uninformed; unaware.
4.due to or showing lack of knowledge or training: an ignorant statement.

In no way does ignorant mean stupid, dumb, or anything even slightly resembling that. It simply means lacking in specific knowledge.
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hmmmm...If I'm as "ignorant" as you so clearly defined...how is it that I have a Fortune 500 company to sponsor my system of championship pool tournaments...which will make millions of dollars in doing so, therefore continued sponsorship of championship pool tournaments....is a good investment for this company.............and YOU....bring nothing to the game?;)
 
The Machine said:
As for the most prolific ( look it up) poster, I highly recommend that you change whatever it is about your lifestyle that is so severely altering your reality, and causing you to actually believe these wild delusions without a shred of forethought or knowledge.
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See, what you sir are unaware of, is the fact that I didn't start making this plan of mine yesterday...not even the day before, I've actually been working on this plan of mine for about 20 years now, and it's coming to a close.

I have a lot of problems with this industry, one of them being the equipment that players are expected to play top level pool on. If you knew anything about me, you'd also know that I'm changing the level in which table mechanics work on pool tables...as I honestly believe that is one of the basic building blocks to having better championship pool tournaments. All players at the highest level should be able to EXPECT to be playing on perfect playing pool tables, not the junk that is so willingly offered by so many pool rooms today...in return for what? I don't support the championship pool tournaments being played in Casinos...when there are so many pool rooms available today that would be better choices, as they are ALSO from this industry, and NOT an outsider.

Here's a little simple thought for you to try and understand. Whom ever provides the money that gets the attention and loyalty of the top Pro pool players, will also have control of this sport at the highest level, and whom ever has that control will also have control over the viewing audience, and whom ever has that control...will bring in more sponsors to share in the wealth...of advertising.

Glen
 
Excellent thoughts justadub. Well said. Normally, I try and be diplomatic too. But this fellow has put me over the edge.lol

Twenty years working on this? So, what we see it in about another 50?

Fortune 500? LOL. And fixing pool tables? LOL. Ever hear of a billionaire who took on the pool world? Then couldn't pay Efren?

I will say it outright. I think you are an idiot. And, I think you are probably really happy and stoned today on 4/20. End of ridiculous discussion for me.
 
Uncalled for

This is what The Machine said:
I will say it outright. I think you are an idiot. And, I think you are probably really happy and stoned today on 4/20. End of ridiculous discussion for me.


My thoughts are this. He obviously does not know who Glen is - or what he has contributed to the pool world. One of Glen's biggest assets is being able to think out of the box - and often times he gets results.

The Machine has shown that he is too impatient and seems to attack those who don't agree with him.

There is always room to disagree and still remain civil. Accusing Glen of doing dope shows who the idiot is. I think his comments were way off base.

I appreciated his thoughts on running tournaments - I did not appreciate his 'talking down' to everyone on the forum.

Perhaps an apology is in order??? (what are the odds of 'that' happening)?

Mark Griffin
 
The Machine said:
Excellent thoughts justadub. Well said. Normally, I try and be diplomatic too. But this fellow has put me over the edge.lol

Twenty years working on this? So, what we see it in about another 50?

Fortune 500? LOL. And fixing pool tables? LOL. Ever hear of a billionaire who took on the pool world? Then couldn't pay Efren?

I will say it outright. I think you are an idiot. And, I think you are probably really happy and stoned today on 4/20. End of ridiculous discussion for me.
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Ok I have been on the forum for years and I have ducked, avoided, faded and otherwise ignored every controversial thread that has ever happened here. Why? because I have not the writing,spelling or intellectual skills to spar at this level. This fellow that you talk about is a valued member on this board. He is also a friend and generally a good guy. Whether or not his dreams and plans ever come to fruition will not take away who he is or what he stands for. The Machine you are out of line for dumping on some one who is truly trying to build a better world for pool players. Glen does not need me coming to his defense!!! he can hold his own and has with the best there is in this forum. Congrats Machine you are the first to pull me into one of these BS threads......Nice work Bud.
 
The Machine said:
Excellent thoughts justadub. Well said. Normally, I try and be diplomatic too. But this fellow has put me over the edge.lol

Twenty years working on this? So, what we see it in about another 50?

Fortune 500? LOL. And fixing pool tables? LOL. Ever hear of a billionaire who took on the pool world? Then couldn't pay Efren?

I will say it outright. I think you are an idiot. And, I think you are probably really happy and stoned today on 4/20. End of ridiculous discussion for me.
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As I've already said, you don't know me, and those that do...don't doubt me. I take on challenges not for the sake of it, but for the accomplishment, as in the greater the challenge, the greater the reward. Like I've said already, there are quite a few people on this forum that know what I'm up to....and are pulling for me to accomplish what I'm after, though I don't ask or expect anyone to jump in with me in doing this....but when the time comes, they'll all be a part of it, as well everyone else....well...maybe not you;) Free thought....don't you just love it:D

Glen
 
The Machine said:
Excellent thoughts justadub. Well said. Normally, I try and be diplomatic too. But this fellow has put me over the edge.lol

Twenty years working on this? So, what we see it in about another 50?

Fortune 500? LOL. And fixing pool tables? LOL. Ever hear of a billionaire who took on the pool world? Then couldn't pay Efren?

I will say it outright. I think you are an idiot. And, I think you are probably really happy and stoned today on 4/20. End of ridiculous discussion for me.
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Just 10 years ago there was no Diamond "Smart Table" coin-op, and there was no 9ft ProAm that could simply just be rolled into a location, legs bolted on and set up in a matter of just 15 minutes....but now look, there is...and that's a sign pool is changing for the better, and will continue to do so. All pool has ever needed is a Corporate sponsor that won't back out because of lack of sales, and with increased sales...would be willing to increase sponsership...and that is not very far off, that sponsor will be locked in before the end of this year...but, because I have something to do with it...the sponsorship will not be used as welfare money to support pool in whole...there are other things that need to be changed first before that ever takes place...and I'm going to make sure the changes take place first...so nothing gets screwed up down the road....like always;)

And for your information, I had said that KT was going to fail long before he even started, because he didn't care about this sport....all he wanted to do was use pool to sell his books....so you have me mixed up with the wrong guy....shows how smart YOU are;)

Glen
 
Glen I glad to see you pop the cork on this plan. You enlightened me years ago and I have been interested in your ideas ever since. I hope things go well, I am limited on the help I can give but if you think I can help(even if it is just a weather report;)) let me know.
 
The Machine said:
Yes 4774 posts to 14 posts. And the poster admitted he has never run a pool tourney. Well, that is certainly obvious.

Anyone with any sense at all can work out the numbers. To have just 32 players in your hall dominating 8 tables is not good business. And have any of you considered that by strict times on the matches, you are inviting the players to leave the hall, and not spend money?

The majority here have no idea what they are talking about, but have been bitten by the "pool" bug, and want to sound knowledgeable or on the "in". Trust me, it isn't working.

However, you are the exact players that would SO benefit from having someone to guide you along, hand feed you proper events so that you could actually become players in the know.

The reaon I have 14 posts is because the vast majority of people in here are completely and utterly ignorant. And when you present clear and well thought out posts, people can not seem to understand. So, generally i just leave the ignorant masses to themselves. It is too bad for pool that such a large group of obviously avid pool players cannot open their eyes and minds, and actually help the game.
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In that case we should all be thankful we have you to drop these pearls of wisdom from time to time and set us straight.
 
The Machine said:
I think you should stay out of pool promotion, you are bad for the game. An ignorant dreamer.
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You know, I read the whole thread and this quote of your's was what kept ringing in my ears.

......only thing, I was thinking these words in reference to you.

See ya later.
 
Too bad The Machine had to resort to name calling. I think he brought up some valid arguments that at least brought on some good debate.

Oh well.

That said, best of luck Glen, with whatever it is you're working on.
 
realkingcobra said:
Just 10 years ago there was no Diamond "Smart Table" coin-op, and there was no 9ft ProAm that could simply just be rolled into a location, legs bolted on and set up in a matter of just 15 minutes....but now look, there is...and that's a sign pool is changing for the better, and will continue to do so. All pool has ever needed is a Corporate sponsor that won't back out because of lack of sales, and with increased sales...would be willing to increase sponsership...and that is not very far off, that sponsor will be locked in before the end of this year...but, because I have something to do with it...the sponsorship will not be used as welfare money to support pool in whole...there are other things that need to be changed first before that ever takes place...and I'm going to make sure the changes take place first...so nothing gets screwed up down the road....like always;)

And for your information, I had said that KT was going to fail long before he even started, because he didn't care about this sport....all he wanted to do was use pool to sell his books....so you have me mixed up with the wrong guy....shows how smart YOU are;)

Glen
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Glen,
Don't waste your time dealing with "the machine", he is only trying to incite anger in people and enjoys name calling and belittling people... The more you play his game, the more influential he thinks he is. He made some valid points in regards to small local tourneys, but his style of writing shows that he feels he is talking down to everyone here, and I personally feel he is just trying to generate a reaction. Afterall, an angry reaction is better than none - so, just ignore him and he'll go away.

That said, good luck with whatever you plan to do... I like some of the points you've made (I haven't gone back and read the whole thread again this morning, although I have read it several days ago). We share some similar thoughts for possible ideas...

I'm fairly certain you are the person I think you are, and that we've met before. Yeah, I'm bad with names... and your avatar doesn't ring a bell :)

Anyhow, just wanted to wish you luck with whatever you choose to do. Everyone is entitled to a plan and a dream, and to openly discuss whatever they choose.

And machine, you can save your time... I won't reply to anything you write trying to denigrate what I have had to say or me as a person, which is your most likely line of attack. I advise everyone else to do the same until the almighty machine can just write without acting so omniscient about the entire world of pool.
 
I have this way of looking at things, such as what's wrong, what's broke, what's not quite right, and what can be done to fix it. When I look at pool on a Professional level, I ask myself, what is it that defines a "Professional" pool player? If I hear of someone trying to promote a pool tournament billed as "Pro's" only...who decided who the "Pro's" are for that pool tournament?...or when a tournament is "No Pro's allowed"...who are they calling "Pro"? And in defining a "Pro", wouldn't it also make sense to define "Semi-Pro"? Isn't there some kind of line that should have to be crossed in order to be labeled a "Pro"? I don't think there is one pool player today that would object to having to take a skill level test in order to cross that line into the ranks of the "Pro's"...I think they'd support it 100% because for the first time in the history of this game....it would be looked at as a sport, because when the day comes that not just anyone can stand up and say...I'm a "Pro"....that day to me, will mean something. Instead, today we allow for the most part, anyone with an entry fee to play in pool tournaments because in order to raise money to make the pool tournaments more profitable for the winners...you need donations, but in creating a donation field of players, races to the finish line are backed off in order to give them "donors" a chance at the money as well as just about anyone else in the tournament, which to me is nothing more than a handicapping system in itself, because everyone knows the longer the race, the less chance the weaker player has of wining.

So, in all these years of this game of pool that we all so much love to play, have we NOT created a ladder system that separates the masses into the levels of play that they truly are at? To me, my feelings of a "Pro" is that that player is in a group of players that ONLY a certain few players on earth can reach, a level of playing that most players can only dream of being at, but...how do we as a society do that...elevate these so called "Pro's" to that level of "Professional"?

Take bank pool for example. If there was ONE pool tournament that was held ONCE a year, to decide the best of the best bank pool players on planet earth...how would you decide who got to play in this world event? By running qualifier tournament play offs? Not in my way of looking at things, nope.

I think that if everyone that wanted to play in this "WORLD" event, then everyone in the world that thought they had a chance should be given that chance, BUT only be allowed to play at that level in which they truly play, meaning if you're only an amateur player, then play in the amateur world playoffs...

If everyone that wanted to take part in this world event had to take a test first to see where they qualify, and the test consisted of 200 stokes, excluding the break, how many balls would a person bank by the end of them 200 strokes..........or how many strokes does it take to bank 50 balls within 2 hours? My way of thinking, is that you'd have a total separation of players to the point that if you drew a line under the top 128 highest banking scores...you'd have defined the "Pro's" of the world for this event, and all those that fell short would fall in place on the skill ladder as "Semi-Pro"..."Advanced"..."Amateur"...and would play for a world championship accordingly;)

Glen
 
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