If someone did this to my cue...

Was it really an ivory ferrel ? He used 400 grit sand papper on that one.
 
That is what is known as a shoulder shaft. When you stroke the cue you can feel the subtle ridge so you don't let the shaft slip out of your bridge:wink:. It saves embarrassment at the pool hall.:rolleyes:
 
Johnny V

First, that was not an ivory ferrule, it was LBM or another linen based micarta material.

Second, 400 grit paper will not remove any significant amount of material unless you really press hard, or you sand for a long time. Used properly, you won't see any scratches from it either. We do go finer with our cue shafts, but our ferrules are maple and are not as hard as the LBM material is.

Tiger does excellent work. I have seen there work first hand on many occasions and found absolutely nothing wrong with it.

I understand that many people have gone on rants against using any sandpaper on a cue shaft. Well, the fact is that used properly it is a tool that can positively affect on the outcome. If it is used improperly, it can certainly ruin a cue shaft.

You should go to there booth at just about any of the big events and just watch what Elio can do. I'm sure that you will change your mind about this thread.


Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
 
Yea that lip is pretty bad.. It looks about a mm drop down to the ferrule. Gives you the 13 mm feel with a 12mm action on the cue ball. :thumbup:

Cuebuddy said:
That is what is known as a shoulder shaft. When you stroke the cue you can feel the subtle ridge so you don't let the shaft slip out of your bridge:wink:. It saves embarrassment at the pool hall.:rolleyes:
Click to expand...
 
RBC said:
Johnny V

First, that was not an ivory ferrule, it was LBM or another linen based micarta material.

Second, 400 grit paper will not remove any significant amount of material unless you really press hard, or you sand for a long time. Used properly, you won't see any scratches from it either. We do go finer with our cue shafts, but our ferrules are maple and are not as hard as the LBM material is.

Tiger does excellent work. I have seen there work first hand on many occasions and found absolutely nothing wrong with it.

I understand that many people have gone on rants against using any sandpaper on a cue shaft. Well, the fact is that used properly it is a tool that can positively affect on the outcome. If it is used improperly, it can certainly ruin a cue shaft.

You should go to there booth at just about any of the big events and just watch what Elio can do. I'm sure that you will change your mind about this thread.


Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
Click to expand...

I have no doubt they do fine work. You can see the ferrule and tip looked awesome when the were done. They might have been changing a shaft from 13 mm done to 12.5 or something. It was just interesting that they left the shaft unfinished for the video. Or maybe it was what the customer wanted. I have re-tipped cues for 30 years and used sand paper every time. I have 80 all the way up to 10,000 grit. Everything above 2000 is just for inlays or ferrules.:)
 
The video actually switches at around the 3 min mark to a different tip and shaft than the one it started out on.
 
RBC said:
Johnny V

First, that was not an ivory ferrule, it was LBM or another linen based micarta material.

Second, 400 grit paper will not remove any significant amount of material unless you really press hard, or you sand for a long time. Used properly, you won't see any scratches from it either. We do go finer with our cue shafts, but our ferrules are maple and are not as hard as the LBM material is.

Tiger does excellent work. I have seen there work first hand on many occasions and found absolutely nothing wrong with it.

I understand that many people have gone on rants against using any sandpaper on a cue shaft. Well, the fact is that used properly it is a tool that can positively affect on the outcome. If it is used improperly, it can certainly ruin a cue shaft.

You should go to there booth at just about any of the big events and just watch what Elio can do. I'm sure that you will change your mind about this thread.


Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
Click to expand...

Yes I know it was not an ivory ferrule. That statement in my post was as though someone did it to my cue. (sorry I didn't set the scenario better).

I have seen lower grade sand paper on ferrules before and yes they look great until they get chalk on them then they look like brushed steel. I agree with cuebuddy nothing below a 2000 on my ferrule. I realize that it is quicker to use a lower grade but if I ever got my cue back and it looked like that I would have been pi$$ed!

JV
 
They should be able to do a clean job with 400. I do sanding on my finish coats when making cabinets with 400. The final is 600. The right pressure and it looks like glass when finished! The guy in the video did the sanding with just a couple passes, which I liked. I hate watching guys sand and sand trying to get the blue out. My tip is prob a .4 mm smaller now because of a clown I let put a tip on!
 
Sorry, but you guys that are saying this guy ruined this shaft have no idea what you are talking about. He did a fine job. As already pointed out, there are two shafts in the video, you can easily see this with the tip.

I've done cue repair for 10 years now. 400 grit paper is fine to use on a ferrule in an "experienced" manner.

I use 400 or 600 depending on the condition the ferrule is in when I get it. You can clean most of the chalk off a ferrule with Magic Eraser and denatured alcohol, but to get that lilly white appearance that makes the customer go "OOOHHHHH", nothing beats polishing with sandpaper.

And there is nothing wrong with what he did with the knife either. If you saw some white that knife cut, it was probably a build up of super glue. Using a knife like he did is VERY difficult to cut the ferrule unintentionally. I've purposely tried on junk shafts to see what would happen if I went to far on the ferrule with the razor blades. It does NOT cut the ferrule when you hold the knife at the proper angle to cut the tip.

The guy in the video is a professional that works for Tiger. He knows what he is doing and is doing an expert job in the video.

Again, those who are saying he is ruining the shaft are just ignorant to how a professional installs tips. Not trying to put anyone down, but you can't come on here and say this guy is ruining shafts when you don't have real knowledge of the subject manner. Reading what others post who you have no idea their level is not real knowledge. First hand experience is.
 
Cuebuddy said:
I have no doubt they do fine work. You can see the ferrule and tip looked awesome when the were done. They might have been changing a shaft from 13 mm done to 12.5 or something. It was just interesting that they left the shaft unfinished for the video. Or maybe it was what the customer wanted. I have re-tipped cues for 30 years and used sand paper every time. I have 80 all the way up to 10,000 grit. Everything above 2000 is just for inlays or ferrules.:)
Click to expand...

The second shaft in the video, and yes they do tell you that is a different shaft, is the Tiger Jump Break tip. Most likely that shaft will still be finished turned as there is still a lip. I can assure you that the lip was not caused by sanding. You could sand for 20 minutes and not remove that much material from an LBM ferrule! The second shaft is most likely not finished and they are using it to demonstrate what the Tiger Jump Break tip looks like when done properly. Don't let the lip distract you, it has nothing to do with the tip installation or the sand paper.


Royce Bunnell
 
Johnny "V" said:
Yes I know it was not an ivory ferrule. That statement in my post was as though someone did it to my cue. (sorry I didn't set the scenario better).

I have seen lower grade sand paper on ferrules before and yes they look great until they get chalk on them then they look like brushed steel. I agree with cuebuddy nothing below a 2000 on my ferrule. I realize that it is quicker to use a lower grade but if I ever got my cue back and it looked like that I would have been pi$$ed!

JV
Click to expand...

Johnny,

Well, if you won't use anything more coarse than 2000 on your ferrule, then you will still have scratches. The only thing I have ever used 2000 on is to polish scratches out of clear coat or finish. 2000 on a ferrule will instantly plug and will no longer cut anything after a few seconds. 2000 is almost exclusively a Wet abrasive and the Wet is used to keep the dust from plugging the abrasive particles. I don't sand shafts Wet, so 2000 is useless.

The ferrules that you have seen that look like brushed steel were not finished properly, Period! I doubt that properly used 400 grit could ever cause that.

Be careful not to bash a seasoned proffessional who is one of the best in the industry because someone else did a bad job and just so happened to use the same sand paper.

I really don't have any problems with your thoughts or ideas about sand paper and what you want on your cue shaft, I just don't care for you disrespecting the work of someone who does excellent work. Especially if you have no direct experience with him. Elio, who does Tiger's work, is an excellent craftsman. I urge you to see for yourself. I think you would completely change your mind.

If you are ever in Dallas, call me and I will show you in person at our shop what I am talking about with regards to sand paper and 400 grit.


Thanks!

Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
 
RBC said:
Johnny,

Be careful not to bash a seasoned proffessional who is one of the best in the industry because someone else did a bad job and just so happened to use the same sand paper.

Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
Click to expand...

Don't take it wrong I just noticed that he used 400 then the next scene there is an obvious lip on the shaft. Whether or not a professional did it or what he used to make it look that way makes no difference. I guess the real problem here is editing. If there was more work to be done he should have said "there is more work to be done on this shaft" other than... "There you go all done".

I would prefer that I not be in the shop when my tips get done for the very reason in that video If I saw white flying I would cringe. Then when he pulled out the sand paper I would have to wait outside.

JV
 
The cuemaker that puts on tips for me cuts the side of the tip and shapes it with a cutting tool on his lathe. The cutting tool never touches the ferrule. He only uses a very very find sand paper to burnish the sides of the tip/ferrule. I get excited if I loose 1/10 of a MM when someone puts on a tip. I play with 13 MM tips and when they get down past 12.85 I get new shafts. It doesn't like like it takes very long have the guy on the video to get down to 12.85!!!
 
I had the Sniper on my OB-1 installed by the guys at Tiger at their shop in Burbank and they did a terrific job. :thumbup:
 
Bad knock

Johnny V gives a bad knock to one of the pool industry leaders. They do great work and you can check it out at the Riv if you are in Vegas.
 
bell said:
Johnny V gives a bad knock to one of the pool industry leaders. They do great work and you can check it out at the Riv if you are in Vegas.
Click to expand...

It is not a knock... I am just saying if my tip looked like the one in the video I would be upset. Do you agree that the tip @ 3:23 in the video is UUUUUUGLY??? Not knocking just stating fact. If you like a shoulder on your shaft so be it.

If it was a video editing blunder then that is all I am point out. I could give a shiz less who did it.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top