If you foul, but your opponent doesn't see it, should you call it on yourself?

TRWpool said:
It is interesting that someone actually feels a need to ask such a question in the context in which it is asked. "....call it on yourself if your opponent didn't see it." I ask the questioner; What do you think?

There are a few odd situations however which call for another look at the question. Here is one such situation:

Suppose you are playing One Pocket and your opponent needs one ball and has game ball hanging deep in his pocket to the point where you know you can't get it out. In addition, there is one or more open balls across the head string which would make scratching with his ball a usless choice of shots. You have no viable shot at your pocket either. What do you do short of surrender?

Well, you might just intentually double hit the cue ball and pocket his hanging eighth ball and stop the cue ball at the lip of the pocket. Now you call a foul on yourself. What is the call in a case like that?

How many of you know the answer?
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That shot is almost like, wedging the cueball in the pocket(when you hit the cueball and pin it to the inside of the pocket with your tip) i used this shot a few times until Bobby Hawk told me it was and illegal shot, resulting and bih for my opponent behind the line and a loss of a ball.
 
I once played in a home poker game where one player slipped in a cold deck. I got four of a kind but his hand was better. He later admitted to others he does things like that, and justified his actions my saying he was just playing the game better than those who didn't do those things. He was just smarter than the rest, and therefore it was all Okay.
 
Some may say that IT IS NOT POSSIBLE to call a foul on yourself. As it is the opponent who calls fouls on you. It is the opponents position to do so. Could a spectator call a foul?
 
the pool room where i learned to play one hole taught everyone who played the game to always make the opponent call the foul or if you owed a ball or balls and were never told to spot the balls then that was perfectly ok and this conduct was encouraged and those that voluntarially called fouls and balls owed were chumps. i outgrew this nonsense, and my game had come full circle and i called all fouls on myself and always spotted the balls that i owe.

however, when i go back to play at this room, well i act as a roman would in rome.

personally, even though i never played golf, i like the idea of calling fouls on oneslf as it relates to life itself. i think it was called the golden rule or if your philosophy leans to the east, karma good and bad.
 
foul

if i foul i pick the cue ball up and hand it to my opponet.

To this day i remember that i won a match because my oppenet didnt see a foul.

that is not winning. its not even close.
mmike
 
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In the old days, in tennis when a line judge made a bad call that favored them, some ladies & gentlemen would hit the next ball out on purpose to give a point back to their opponent to even up the score for the bad call.

If everyone would act with honesty & integrity, the world would be a better place in which to live. We would not need referees or even policemen or courts. Maybe one day. Probably not, but maybe one day.
 
No...if there is a referee...in which case it is that persons job and no one else's to call a foul. I would expect that if the ref didn't SEE the foul...he/she might not allow it even if a player called it on him/herself.

No...if you plan to become a politician in which case you might as well practice now to be a low life, lying cheater.

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ChrisBanks said:
I'd like to hear a few more responses before I supply an answer to the question.
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ChrisBanks said:
Some may say that IT IS NOT POSSIBLE to call a foul on yourself. As it is the opponent who calls fouls on you. It is the opponents position to do so. Could a spectator call a foul?
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Okay: Yes, you should call the foul on yourself. That goes when playing for fun, league or money.

Some may say... Some is who? Doesn't matter, thats who. Are you going to be the guy who self admits he made a mistake and fouled or are you going to be the guy who lies about making a foul when accused.

Spectators can say whatever they want.

Your opponent can call fouls if he sees it, and you can be a man and just admit you made one before thinking you can get away with it if no one called it.
 
"Integrity is doing the right thing, even if nobody is watching.
However being a worthy opponent, I would have witnessed the foul."

Found in billiard fortune cookie...
 
rockroll60 said:
I read your post and found this Devious video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNva2yv5N7o
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Being a card artisan (aka doing card tricks) this guy with the money in his hand hiding the second deck is just poor showmanship. Cris Angel $hits better card tricks in his sleep and i can out perform Cris on a bad day....

You wanna see some good stuff look up Daniel Madison, David Garcia or card flourish masters Dan & Dave...

This guy is no good needing a shield to hide his gaff
 
The guys that are not sure if they would call a foul on themselves, are the ones that are wondering what's wrong with pool and why don't rooms see more players.

Reputation is what people think you are. Character is what you are when nobody's looking.
 
See my signature line for my feelings on this question. You can also ask yourself is cheating to win really winning at all? Recently during leagues one of my teammates fouled while his opponent, was clearly watching the shot. He went to his opponent and said "I fouled it's ball in hand." She replied "no you didn't it's your shot" to which he reiterated his first statement again. She still insisted it was not a foul so we all looked at each other and he shot the rack out and won the match. Honestly one of the strangest things I have seen in a long time, but he did tell her twice before she told him to continue.
 
ENGLISH! said:
In the old days, in tennis when a line judge made a bad call that favored them, some ladies & gentlemen would hit the next ball out on purpose to give a point back to their opponent to even up the score for the bad call.

If everyone would act with honesty & integrity, the world would be a better place in which to live. We would not need referees or even policemen or courts. Maybe one day. Probably not, but maybe one day.
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Terry Griffiths, the 1979 world snooker champion, was awarded a 'free ball'
once:if he took it, he would win the game easily.
He disagreed with the ref and shot the ball 'on'.

I've seen many pool players show this integrity also...even when betting
a lot of money.
You don't hear about them as much as the sleaze players because they
don't go around bragging about it.....
...after all, you don't get a medal for NOT robbing a bank.
 
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