I'll Say What Many Are Already Thinking - Mosconi Cup, 2014

Well truth be told...,

Kickin' Chicken said:
Reality Is Setting In At Mosconi Cup 2014

Team USA is getting beaten convincingly by a *very mediocre playing* Team Europe.

The Euros are making errors by the bushel and leaving the door wide open yet Team USA can't seem to walk on through. Or even get close.

Chemistry & Kumbaya are nice, being competitive, even nicer.

Our best players are not there.

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We don't have any best players! We have a best player and his name is SVB. Everybody else is a up and comer. I like John, and the young guns, but they are not up to the task of competing with world class players, not yet.

Corey, I just cant figure out???
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i guess we need the 7 & out, too. there, i said it.

(is that what you were looking for, Brian?)
 
Last year's team was picked by Matchroom, not by the US.

Of the nineteen teams we picked ourselves, eighteen of them won at least seven matches and seventeen of them won at least eight matches

If we fail to get to seven, are we going to celebrate that this wasn't one of the two worst Team USA's in Mosconi Cup history even though it will have been among the worst three?

As others have noted, Europe hasn't played particularly well this year, and their squad is weaker than it was a year ago.

Still, perhaps we can make a run at it tomorrow. Keep the faith.

My national pride won't be hurt either way. We have a player named Archer that went 6-0 in the 2012 Mosconi and we left him home. America's second best rotation pool player by a country mile, Mike Dechaine, was left home, too. If we'd shown up with our best players and gotten drilled, that would have hurt, but we showed up with a whole lot less, so I know I'll be able to handle it even if we fail to get to eight.

For now, though, I'm focusing on cheering for the team we sent. Go get 'em on Thursday, Team USA.
 
lfigueroa said:
Well, all I can say is that I would never want a give up like you on my team.

Lou Figueroa
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I've got a lot of things, Lou - a heroin habit, a two month overdue rent check to write, a flat tire on my 82 chevette, and genital herpes.

but I don't have any give up in me. no sir!

I believe I'll eventually get off the dope and that will help me to better manage my bills; my cousin said he'll give me a hand this weekend with the tire and I'll be damned, the cream seems to be clearing up my rash.

See, there's always hope and you may have missed it in my earlier posts where I stated unequivocally, and even just plain vocally, that I am still rooting for Team USA.

I am also a realist, however, who calls 'em how I sees 'em.

I know I should have waited til tomorrow afternoon to start this thread but this is how I feel this afternoon. :wink:

Go USA!!!

best,
brian kc
 
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There is still hope!

Kickin' Chicken said:
I've got a lot of things, Lou - a heroin habit, a two month overdue rent check to write a flat tire on my 82 chevy chevette, and genital herpes.

but I don't have any give up in me. no sir!

I believe I'll eventually get off the dope, will better manage my bills, my cousin said he'll help me with the tire and I'll be damned, the cream seems to be clearing up my genitals.

There's always hope and you may have missed it in my earlier posts where I stated unequivocally and just plain vocally that I am still rooting for Team USA.

I am also a realist, however, who calls 'em how I see 'em.

I know I should have waited til tomorrow afternoon to start this thread but this is how I feel this afternoon. :wink:

Go USA!!!

best,
brian kc
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There is still hope! I was just talking to Tonya Harding. She had a suggestion that might work . . .

Hu
 
I really hope that Shane can forget about all of the pressure of "being the best" and just go out there and play. It would be nice if he could put himself mentally in his comfort place and go out there and put five games together. He needs to picture himself playing in the safety and comfort of the TAR studio and realize that it is only a race to five so he has like a 40% chance of beating Darren, and he needs to take advantage of that. Put aside the fact that Darren has beat him, what was it Darren said, the last 8 times in a row and focus on this one race to five. A race to five man, he can do this if he just quits trying to fill the role of being the best, or being a leader. Did anyone think about what kind of pressure it must be on a shy introverted kid from South Dakota having to be a leader? He may never be a leader and he may never be the best but he can win 5 games, shit Jumping Joe could win 5 games, and that's all that we should ask from him. He doesn't even owe us that.
 
(((Satori))) said:
I really hope that Shane can forget about all of the pressure of "being the best" and just go out there and play. It would be nice if he could put himself mentally in his comfort place and go out there and put five games together. He needs to picture himself playing in the safety and comfort of the TAR studio and realize that it is only a race to five so he has like a 40% chance of beating Darren, and he needs to take advantage of that. Put aside the fact that Darren has beat him, what was it Darren said, the last 8 times in a row and focus on this one race to five. A race to five man, he can do this if he just quits trying to fill the role of being the best, or being a leader. Did anyone think about what kind of pressure it must be on a shy introverted kid from South Dakota having to be a leader? He may never be a leader and he may never be the best but he can win 5 games, shit Jumping Joe could win 5 games, and that's all that we should ask from him. He doesn't even owe us that.
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Shane may well bring it vs Appleton tomorrow, but his futility in Mosconi singles is a mystery of the highest order.

In truth, Shane has a superb record in short race play. In two of the Derby City 9-ball events in which all the races were to seven, Shane won the title over hundreds of entrants.

For some reason, this does not translate to success in the short races at the Mosconi. I am hard pressed to figure it all out.

Best of luck to Shane tomorrow.
 
BRussell said:
They're playing for four days straight, several hours a day, there's no need for longer races. 11 races to 5 provides for a more accurate and fair result than a single race to 55. The better team will win more often under these conditions, not less often.
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Exactly correct. A race to five and anyone can win, sure. A race to 11 races to five and the cream will rise to the top like clock work.

JC
 
JumpinJoe said:
Lol
Funny
This is pure foolishness. Races to 5 in 9 ball. I'm capable of winning a match in this format.
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But you're not capable of winning 11 of them before a superior opponent does. And thinking you might be able to is the real foolishness.

JC
 
The statement *anyone* can win a race to 5 always gets me.

HOW COME OUR GUYS aren't doing it more if its so easy??!?! (because its not, thats why) :)

It's a ton of pressure, that they and most people are not use to!!
 
BRussell said:
They're playing for four days straight, several hours a day, there's no need for longer races. 11 races to 5 provides for a more accurate and fair result than a single race to 55. The better team will win more often under these conditions, not less often.
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The better team or player will win a race to 55 more often than the better team or player will win 11 races to 5.
 
It's not really the equivalent of a race to 55. I think you also have to consider the racks won in the losing sets. So if the average set score is 5-3 and you lose 8 sets, that's an additional 24 racks. So it's really closer to a race to 70 or 75, or something like that.

Numbers may be a bit off but you get the idea.
 
BasementDweller said:
It's not really the equivalent of a race to 55. I think you also have to consider the racks won in the losing sets. So if the average set score is 5-3 and you lose 8 sets, that's an additional 24 racks. So it's really closer to a race to 70 or 75, or something like that.

Numbers may be a bit off but you get the idea.
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Think of it this way.

If you play match against someone that is a race to 55, you have to win 55 games before they do to win the match.

If you play a match against someone that is a race to 11 sets, each set a race to 5 games, you can lose 94 games against them and still win the match.
 
I think the alternate break evens out the short races. If you win your breaks you're going to do well. If winner breaks you might never get to the table. A short race with alternate breaks is a lot fairer than a short race with winner breaks.
 
sjm said:
Shane may well bring it vs Appleton tomorrow, but his futility in Mosconi singles is a mystery of the highest order.

In truth, Shane has a superb record in short race play. In two of the Derby City 9-ball events in which all the races were to seven, Shane won the title over hundreds of entrants.

For some reason, this does not translate to success in the short races at the Mosconi. I am hard pressed to figure it all out.

Best of luck to Shane tomorrow.
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It may be the added interaction and communication.
 
PoolBum said:
The better team or player will win a race to 55 more often than the better team or player will win 11 races to 5.
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The team that is clearly better will win eleven races to 5 before the lesser team does just as often as they will win a race to 55.

They will win 100% of the time in both cases. The lesser team/player will win a number of individual games in both cases.

JC
 
I don't think so PoolBum. Say a better player will win a single rack 55% of the time. If my math is right, that better player will win a race to 55 about 85% of the time, but that better player will win a race to 11 sets of 5 each 87% of the time.
 
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