I'm opening my dream pool room

mikepage

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How many times have you said or heard others say "if I was opening a pool room, I would do THIS or THIS or I wouldn't do THIS....

Well I've been implementing THIS's and THIS's and NOT THIS's a lot in the last couple years. I'm soon to open a big new pool room in Fargo in about four months. The building is under construction as we speak.

Two years ago I met with city commissioners, chief of police, city attorney and others to talk about creating a new category of liquor license that would accommodate me. I got the laws changes about a year and a half ago, so that part's on track.

Then I started presenting business plan ideas to bankers --business plan, power point presentations, the whole works. Wow was that ever an effort! After working with two banks quite a bit each I finally got things going with a third bank, using the SBA 504 program.

In a nutshell -

Fargo Billiards & Gastropub (or just Fargo Billiards)

28,536 square feet

56 tables (7 9-ft Diamond Professional, 9 9-ft Gabriel Signature Pro, 33 7-foot diamond pro-ams, 7 7-ft Gabriels)

3,000 sf raised area in the middle that included a U-shaped bar with an island in the middle, high-top seating, and lounge (leather chair)-type seating. Offthe raised area near the bar is a tight 9-foot diamond professional.

Tables are more or less segregated into neighborhoods.

Off the raised area toward the front is a line of 6 9-ft Diamonds.

In front of that and separated by a half-wall (front of building ) are 11 7-ft. Diamonds.

Behind the raised area on one side is a group of 6 9-ft Gabriels. On the other side but still adjacent to the raised area is a set of 6 7-ft. Gabriels, three of which have leather, living-room style seating arrangements. These areas are enclosed by half-height walls.

Behind these, along the back of the building is the league area and includes 20 7-ft Diamonds that are arranged in two rows with a gap in the middle (two groups of 10)

There are 3 private rooms:

One (500 sf) has a 9-ft Gabriel and living-room furniture.
the second (950 sf) has 2 9-ft Gabriels and living-room furniture
the third (950 sf) has 2 7-ft Diamonds and living-room furniture

A conference room (The Fargo Billiard Academy) has a 12-seat conference table, a 7-ft diamond set up for video analysis, and a screen for presentations.

Full-service restaurant called The Gastropub that includes a seating area as well as service to the lounge and to pool tables. (Gastropub is a british term meaning a pub that takes its food more seriously than normal pub-fare). There is an espresso bar adjacent to the dining area with coffee-shop type lounge area.

Wireless throughout.

Music is low-volume blues and acoustic and a little jazz.

Occasional acoustic performers in the raised area.

Things you WON'T find:

-- juke box
-- loud music
-- darts
-- video games
-- smoke
-- dance floor
-- karaoke

I'll try to get up a diagram.
 
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Good for you. I'm sure you will do well...you have all your ducks in a row. The best of luck to you with the room. Johnnyt
 
Is Fargo anywhere near Mott ND? My Brother has family there, if I ever get there I'll stop in!

G.
 
Where is this going to be? Address? I get there quite a bit, a lot of my family is there. I would like to visit your new room once it opens.
 
That is great news. Congratulations on building your dream. I wish you much success.
 
All the best in your venture Mike. I'll drop by some day.

Dave
 
Gerry said:
Is Fargo anywhere near Mott ND? My Brother has family there, if I ever get there I'll stop in!

G.

Nothing is near Mott, ND ;-).

But if you got that close you'd HAVE to stop by.
 
mikepage said:
How many times have you said or heard others say "if I was opening a pool room, I would do THIS or THIS or I wouldn't do THIS....

Well I've been implementing THIS's and THIS's and NOT THIS's a lot in the last couple years. I'm soon to open a big new pool room in Fargo in about four months. The building is under construction as we speak.

Two years ago I met with city commissioners, chief of police, city attorney and others to talk about creating a new category of liquor license that would accommodate me. I got the laws changes about a year and a half ago, so that part's on track.

Then I started presenting business plan ideas to bankers --business plan, power point presentations, the whole works. Wow was that ever an effort! After working with two banks quite a bit each I finally got things going with a third bank, using the SBA 504 program.


more to come...

Wow, great news. Sounds like you've accomplished quite a bit already. I will make sure to stop by if I ever get up that way.
 
Congrats Mike....hope you will post updates as you get closer....great news sir....
 
mikepage said:
[...]

more to come...


In a nutshell -

Fargo Billiards & Gastropub (or just Fargo Billiards)

28,536 square feet

56 tables (7 9-ft Diamond Professional, 9 9-ft Gabriel Signature Pro, 33 7-foot diamond pro-ams, 7 7-ft Gabriels)

3,000 sf raised area in the middle that included a U-shaped bar with an island in the middle, high-top seating, and lounge (leather chair)-type seating. Offthe raised area near the bar is a tight 9-foot diamond professional.

Tables are more or less segregated into neighborhoods.

Off the raised area toward the front is a line of 6 9-ft Diamonds.

In front of that and separated by a half-wall (front of building ) are 11 7-ft. Diamonds.

Behind the raised area on one side is a group of 6 9-ft Gabriels. On the other side but still adjacent to the raised area is a set of 6 7-ft. Gabriels, three of which have leather, living-room style seating arrangements. These areas are enclosed by half-height walls.

Behind these, along the back of the building is the league area and includes 20 7-ft Diamonds that are arranged in two rows with a gap in the middle (two groups of 10)

There are 3 private rooms:

One (500 sf) has a 9-ft Gabriel and living-room furniture.
the second (950 sf) has 2 9-ft Gabriels and living-room furniture
the third (950 sf) has 2 7-ft Diamonds and living-room furniture

A conference room (The Fargo Billiard Academy) has a 12-seat conference table, a 7-ft diamond set up for video analysis, and a screen for presentations.

Full-service restaurant called The Gastropub that includes a seating area as well as service to the lounge and to pool tables. (Gastropub is a british term meaning a pub that takes its food more seriously than normal pub-fare). There is an espresso bar adjacent to the dining area with coffee-shop type lounge area.

Wireless throughout.

Music is low-volume blues and acoustic and a little jazz.

Occasional acoustic performers in the raised area.

Things you WON'T find:

-- juke box
-- loud music
-- darts
-- video games
-- smoke
-- dance floor
-- karaoke

I'll try to get up a diagram.
 
mikepage said:
In a nutshell -

Fargo Billiards & Gastropub (or just Fargo Billiards)

28,536 square feet

56 tables (7 9-ft Diamond Professional, 9 9-ft Gabriel Signature Pro, 33 7-foot diamond pro-ams, 7 7-ft Gabriels)

3,000 sf raised area in the middle that included a U-shaped bar with an island in the middle, high-top seating, and lounge (leather chair)-type seating. Offthe raised area near the bar is a tight 9-foot diamond professional.

Tables are more or less segregated into neighborhoods.

Off the raised area toward the front is a line of 6 9-ft Diamonds.

In front of that and separated by a half-wall (front of building ) are 11 7-ft. Diamonds.

Behind the raised area on one side is a group of 6 9-ft Gabriels. On the other side but still adjacent to the raised area is a set of 6 7-ft. Gabriels, three of which have leather, living-room style seating arrangements. These areas are enclosed by half-height walls.

Behind these, along the back of the building is the league area and includes 20 7-ft Diamonds that are arranged in two rows with a gap in the middle (two groups of 10)

There are 3 private rooms:

One (500 sf) has a 9-ft Gabriel and living-room furniture.
the second (950 sf) has 2 9-ft Gabriels and living-room furniture
the third (950 sf) has 2 7-ft Diamonds and living-room furniture

A conference room (The Fargo Billiard Academy) has a 12-seat conference table, a 7-ft diamond set up for video analysis, and a screen for presentations.

Full-service restaurant called The Gastropub that includes a seating area as well as service to the lounge and to pool tables. (Gastropub is a british term meaning a pub that takes its food more seriously than normal pub-fare). There is an espresso bar adjacent to the dining area with coffee-shop type lounge area.

Wireless throughout.

Music is low-volume blues and acoustic and a little jazz.

Occasional acoustic performers in the raised area.

Things you WON'T find:

-- juke box
-- loud music
-- darts
-- video games
-- smoke
-- dance floor
-- karaoke

I'll try to get up a diagram.
That sounds great! Is there any precedent for this structure? I've never seen a pool hall with more than one private room, much less a conference room.

I've rarely played 3-cushion, but lots of people do. I'm a little surprised to see 56 tables and no billiards tables.

With all the 7' tables, would I be right that you plan to do a lot of league business, and possibly even host tri-annuals and Vegas Qualifiers? Also, will you have a pro shop?

I'm looking forward to seeing the sketch.

Best of luck with this,
Cory

P.S. Are you quitting your day job? Long sabbatical?
 
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Cory in DC said:
That sounds great! Is there any precedent for this structure? I've never seen a pool hall with more than one private room, much less a conference room.

The conference room is an instructional facility. But it's also a place I'd like to make available to the community as a place to meet -- whether it's a breakfast work meeting or a book club meeting or a monthly board meeting for a nonprofit, etc. It's for me about generating a sense of being truly integrated with the community.

The private-room thing has, imo, been much underappreciated in the industry.
I've rarely played 3-cushion, but lots of people do. I'm a little surprised to see 56 tables and no billiards tables.

whatever ;-)
With all the 7' tables, would I be right that you plan to do a lot of league business, and possibly even host tri-annuals and Vegas Qualifiers? Also, will you have a pro shop?

yes, yes, yes
P.S. Are you quitting your day job? Long sabbatical?

Yes, I'm quitting my day job.

By the way, here's a list of at least SOME of the pool halls I've been in in the last decade while thinking about this:

Illinois

Chris's
64th street
Green Room
Chicago Billiard Caf?

North Dakota

Billiards on Broadway
Lucky's Green Room

California

Family Billiards/SF
Shoreline Billiards
Chalkers/SF
Hardtimes/LA
Danny K's/LA
College Billiards/SD
Family Billiard Center/oceanside
California Billiard Club

Iowa

Big Dog Billiards/Des Moines
Bank Shot/Sioux City
Q&Feather/Sioux City
Corner Pockets/Ames

New Jersey

Comet/ Parsippany

Maryland

Orange Ball/ Rockville
Champion/Rockville?

South Dakota

Breaktime

Oregon

Cueball/Salem
??/portland

Montana

Palace/Missoula

New Mexico

??(Albuquerque)

Minnesota

Ducks/St. Cloud
CR Billiards
Jimmies Pro Billiards
Two Stooges (Billiard St. Caf?)
Shooters
Crown Billiards
City Billiards
???/Duluth
Sharkeys/Mankato
Q-Sharks

Connecticut

Action Billiards

Rhode Island

Rhode Island Billiards?

Massachussetts

Smiths/Springfield
Boston Billiards/Boston
Brighton Billiards Boston

Wash DC

Buffalo Billiards
Atomic Billiards

Virginia

First Break Caf? (Sterling)
Fast Eddies/Alexandria
Arlington?
Q-Masters

Indiana

???/South Bend

Louisiana

Two Sisters

Colorado

McChesneys/Denver
Table Steaks/Denver

Texas

CJ's/Dallas
Erics/Austin

Wisconsin

Green Room/Madison

North Carolina

???/outer banks

Ohio

Airway Billiards/Dayton
Chalkers?/ Columbus

Washington

City LightsBilliards/Tacoma
Schotzes/Everett
Dr. Cue/Seattle
 
I'll have to come check it out! Get up that floor plan/diagram soon!

Any live streaming in the works?
 
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