I'm So Sick of 9-Ball

dmgwalsh said:
How did you do? ;)

DMG,
See the thread on "Drivermaker Thanksgiving Invitational". So far, 173 and 169. Maybe if you post your result on that thread, more people will take the challenge.
 
Williebetmore said:
DMG,
See the thread on "Drivermaker Thanksgiving Invitational". So far, 173 and 169. Maybe if you post your result on that thread, more people will take the challenge.

i missed that thread. OK. DMGW
 
Williebetmore said:
D'maker,
A pro friend of mine has actually played a similar game, also developed by Allen Hopkins. In their version the first 9 balls are your choice (1 point apiece), the last 6 are in rotation (2 points apiece) - 21 points possible, but a 9 point bonus for sinking all 15 balls = 30 points max per rack. They were playing 10 rack sets, maximum points 300 per set (Allen called it "Bowlliards"). Only top pro's could exceed 270, and then only after playing it a while. I used to play it regularly when I was just starting, I think it is a little more challenging than the Q-skill challenge.

I may be able to try your challenge over the holidays (especially if others will try it - this means you SJM); however if my score is embarrassingly low I insist on the option of lying about it (but please don't tell my wife, Morgan Fairchild).

P.S. - If you are really bored with 9-ball there are surgical options you may consider to correct the condition (ie. frontal lobotomy). Sure, it lowers the I.Q. 60 or 70 points, but you are really going to enjoy watching t.v. (especially Jerry Springer, prime time reality shows, and the WWWF). In addition, you will have a new found enthusiasm for checkers and tic-tac-toe (though they may be a little challenging if you are playing too much 9-ball). You will certainly begin to understand what a great President Bill Clinton was, though you will be outraged at the Academy continuing to snub the great acting performances of Jim Carrey and Dennis Rodman.

Don't you think redneck poliitics should be left to the Christian poolplayers forum? I come here to learn pool not to read Republican banter. As Minnesota Fats said when Eddie Felson was at the table addressing Burt Gordon " Shoot pool, Fast Eddie".

Shoot pool, Williebetmore.
 
papi said:
Don't you think redneck poliitics should be left to the Christian poolplayers forum? .

Papi,
Wow, I didn't make any mention of "redneck politics" in my post, I just mentioned Bill Clinton. It is rewarding to see, however, that an attack on him (as someone who has probably forever damaged the credibility and integrity of the office of President) has become an attack on "rednecks." I am NOT a Republican, NOT a Clinton sycophant, just a pool player trying to have a good time and make people laugh. Anybody who can't laugh at a joker like Clinton needs a sense of humor adjustment, Republican or Democrat.

P.S. - I'm not a Christian either; I'm a Zoriathan - we believe that the first man and woman sprang from watermelon seeds.
 
Williebetmore said:
P.S. - I'm not a Christian either; I'm a Zoriathan - we believe that the first man and woman sprang from watermelon seeds.

I'm a Frisbeetyrian. I believe when you die your soul flies up and lands on the roof.

Wally <~~ sick o' 9-ball too
 
High Run

woody_968 said:
Dennis, this is a good "drill" and I think if you try it you will keep at it. I did it for a while, I will have to look up my old scores, but have been working on other things lately. I was thinking last night about getting my score sheets out and starting this up again, now I guess Ill have to :)

On a side note, I have thought about altering the game to suit straight pool. I figured 1 pt for each ball made, and 6 bonus points at the end of the rack if the last ball I pocket sends the cueball into the rack area. This would give me practice for finding the key and break balls and getting the right angle on the last ball. Any thoughts?


Hey Woody -

I know you're a straight pool junkie. Whats your high run?? I am guessing around the 50 range.

Ken_4fun
 
Ken_4fun said:
Hey Woody -

I know you're a straight pool junkie. Whats your high run?? I am guessing around the 50 range.

Ken_4fun

I havent broken 50 yet, 44 is my highest to date. But that was in practice and not during actual play. Still just starting to learn the wonderful game :)
 
Did 10 games!!

drivermaker said:
I feel like a drug addict when it comes to 9-ball...first of all I'm bored to death going around the table in quick circles day after day with somebody racking every couple of minutes, and it's made me lose my skills in other games. But it's an habit that I've got to break. Having seen the different threads on straight recently have refueled my interest in the game, even though you can't find anyone to play straight, but I want to go back to my roots of how I learned to play. Unfortunately, I can't play for shit any more and it's really disgusting. I can't spot patterns like I used to...I'm not planning ahead properly...and I'm sure as hell not leaving myself with the proper angles on many balls, especially the last one to break the racks open.

It's going to take time so the first thing I wanted to do was just get back in tune to where I can spot patterns and plan ahead. I'll get back into angles for breaking the rack in due time along with the strategizing. So I pulled out this Q-Skill Challenge that Allen Hopkins came up with that's kind of an off-shoot to Equal Offense or Fargo. It also gives you a way to rate or rank yourself. So here are the rules:

1. Rack fifteen balls on the Foot Spot, in any order, and place the cue ball ON the Head Spot. Break the balls. If you miscue or miss the cue ball completely, it is a foul. Re-Rack, break again and subtract one from your score. If you miscue and contact the rack, you may choose to continue shooting, leaving the balls where they lie and not take a foul.

2. If you scratch on the break, it is a minus 1, unless the cue ball goes off the table, then it is a minus 2. After a scratch on the break, you may place the cue ball on either the Head Spot of Foot Spot and shoot any ball on the table, or place the cue ball anywhere behind the Head String and shoot any ball above the Head String. On the break, if you scratch or the cue ball goes off the table, all balls made on the break stay down but do not count as points. If you do not scratch on the break, then all balls made on the break count as one point each.

3. After the break, if you do not have a shot or do not like the shot you have, you may choose one of three options. (a) Place the cue ball anywhere behind the Head String and shoot any ball above the Head String. (b) Place the cue ball on either the Head Spot or the Foot Spot and shoot any ball.
(c) Place the rack over the cue ball (where it lies) and move the cue ball anywhere inside the rack and shoot any ball. All of the options noted above are a penalty and incur a minus 1.

4. After the break, whether you made a ball or not, proceed to shoot, calling each shot. Try to run the table, shoting the ball in any order UNTIL THERE ARE FIVE BALLS REMAINING. If you do pocket ten balls, then the last five balls must be shot IN ROTATION (in numerical order starting with the lowest number ball). If you MISS A SHOT, the rack is OVER. There are no second chances or mulligans! The first ten balls score 1 point each, and the last five balls score 2 points each. On each rack you can score a MAXIMUM of 20 points.

5. When there are six balls on the table and you pocket two or more balls in one shot, they all stay down and are each worth 1 point. Shoot the remaining balls in rotation, in which each ball is worth 2 points each.

6. Ten racks comprise a session. In one session you can score a maximum of 200 points. The score from TEN SESSIONS (100 racks) determines your Official Rating. The highest possible Official Rating is a perfect score of 2000 points.

Here is the Rating System:

0-300 - Recreational Player
301-600 - Intermediate Player
601-900 - Advanced Player
901-1200- Developing Pro
1201-1600 - Semi-Pro
1601-1800 - Pro
1801-2000 - Touring Pro

You'll have to keep a running scorecard of each game and each session (10 games) for 10 sessions (100 games)

I feel like I have a lonnnnggg way to go yet because I've only been able to get into the mid-high range of Semi-Pro. I'm still making stupid ass mistakes and not planning properly on those last five balls, (along with just f*#king up on some easy shots within the first 10 to bring my game scores down. Besides this Rating System, I'd like to see DeadAim do it as well as some of you die hard better straight pool players and list your scores to give me something to shoot at. Give it a try, it's quite interesting, sometimes frustrating, and reveals your strengths and weaknesses. Remember...no mulligans and cheating.

I played 10 games. It was quite a challenge. I shot 122. I had a game of 1, pissed me off, lost focus. I like the game and will continue playing. Thanks for the rules and alternative to 9-ball. :D
 
To you experts... Lately I've enjoyed every day more playing 14.1 either alone or with an opponent, but since everybody is saying that playing 14.1 will get you a stronger 9-baller here's a couple of questions/doubts that regards me...

1. While I'm getting better at 14.1 I tend to shoot more often easy shots with not much speed at it.

2. While I'm playing 14.1 it will happen less often than in 9-ball to have to shoot long distance shots.

Well this points to me are leading to:

1. I'm not used to make those " a little harder shots than normal" as I was when playing full time 9-ball.
I'm not letting travel the cueball like I did in 9-ball for long ditances like a 2-rail exit after pocketing a ball thus I'm not that used anymore to manage that kind of speed.

2. This leads to some hesitation when in need to play a long distance shot that I'm not so used to shot anymore..

These are just my thoughts and answers to you more expert than me...

Giovanni
ITALY:D
 
heheh I didn't realize it was a dead bumped thread until the end. I see the original poster got the ban hammer.

I like the idea of practice straight pool with less pressure than simply keeping ball score... something that rewards you for just playing correctly even if you don't have the focus to make every shot and get shape for hundreds of balls.

I might try a variation where getting to the last 5 without a miss makes the remaining balls count double, and sinking the break shot and hitting the pack is worth 5 by itself, so you can get 25 per rack.

Every ball in rack 2 is worth double, every ball in rack 3 is worth triple, and so on, until you miss. Then every ball goes back to being worth 1 and it resets from there. So it does encourage you to keep a run going vs. settling for occasional misses.
 
CreeDo said:
heheh I didn't realize it was a dead bumped thread until the end. I see the original poster got the ban hammer.

Dead thread you say ? Well, as it turns out, this thread is the origin of what is now the BUD BOWL. As far as Drivermaker getting banned, that was the "Memorial" part of the original name, the Drivermaker Memorial Holiday Tournament, or something like that :D . As a historic note, DriverMaker was not terribly please about the "Memorial" part ... too bad, soo sad :p This year it is the BreakUp Drivermaker Memorial Holiday Tournament, or BUD Bowl for short.

Drivermake was a bit to abrupt and politically incorrect for some around here, the eventually the complaints piled up and the bannings started. He had a very honest way of looking at the game, and that combined with a very direct and sometimes rude & crude delivery made his messages hard for many to take .... what a bunch of wimps, imo.

CreeDo said:
I like the idea of practice straight pool with less pressure than simply keeping ball score... something that rewards you for just playing correctly even if you don't have the focus to make every shot and get shape for hundreds of balls.

I might try a variation where getting to the last 5 without a miss makes the remaining balls count double, and sinking the break shot and hitting the pack is worth 5 by itself, so you can get 25 per rack.

Every ball in rack 2 is worth double, every ball in rack 3 is worth triple, and so on, until you miss. Then every ball goes back to being worth 1 and it resets from there. So it does encourage you to keep a run going vs. settling for occasional misses.

There could be many adjustments made to the game, for various purposes. I believe that this specific game is a close cousin to Allen Hopkins Q-Skills Challenge with some DM mods. Anyway, if you like the idea, sign up for the BUD Bowl and test yourself in the virtual company of other AZers ... of couse we don't take light to people changing the tournament rules, so keep those good ideas to yourself while in the game :D

Official Rules : http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=45710
BUD Bowl Official Scores : http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=80387

jgpool, veilside8, and creedo, there is room for all of you in this years tournament. The entry fee is simply the guts to post scores for all to see, which is a bit steep for some gutless wonders around here, hopefully you are not in that category. The prizes were once reputed to rival the IPT prize fund, but here you get your satifaction from an honest appraisal of yourself, and you do not have to do that 11% at a time.

Dave
 
veilside81 said:
To you experts... Lately I've enjoyed every day more playing 14.1 either alone or with an opponent, but since everybody is saying that playing 14.1 will get you a stronger 9-baller here's a couple of questions/doubts that regards me...

1. While I'm getting better at 14.1 I tend to shoot more often easy shots with not much speed at it.

2. While I'm playing 14.1 it will happen less often than in 9-ball to have to shoot long distance shots.

Well this points to me are leading to:

1. I'm not used to make those " a little harder shots than normal" as I was when playing full time 9-ball.
I'm not letting travel the cueball like I did in 9-ball for long ditances like a 2-rail exit after pocketing a ball thus I'm not that used anymore to manage that kind of speed.

2. This leads to some hesitation when in need to play a long distance shot that I'm not so used to shot anymore..

These are just my thoughts and answers to you more expert than me...

Giovanni
ITALY:D

I am no expert Giovanni, but I think you have recognized that differrent games require different shots. The result is that no single game is an ideal practice game. My suggestion would be to play both with some regularity.

Dave
 
Sounds nifty dave. I might post some scores if I end up with some free time to try it. Lately every night at the pool hall I'm getting games. Yay!@?
 
CreeDo said:
Sounds nifty dave. I might post some scores if I end up with some free time to try it. Lately every night at the pool hall I'm getting games. Yay!@?

Count your blessings my friend ... my favorite hall is STILL in the process of moving, a 1 week exercise now going on 6 weeks :mad:

Dave
 
A great idea whos time has come again ..... get practicing folks !

Dave
 
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