Inside English misses!

Ak Guy

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I long ago lost track of how many easy shots I missed because I wanted to put inside English on the cue ball. I have the worst time trying to allow for the throw on the object ball. Hopefully I will master it when my table arrives. Do any of you struggle in this area? :(
 
I long ago lost track of how many easy shots I missed because I wanted to put inside English on the cue ball. I have the worst time trying to allow for the throw on the object ball. Hopefully I will master it when my table arrives. Do any of you struggle in this area? :(

It's a tough shot no doubt. Especially when there is distance between CB and OB.

I practice this shot more than any other...

Gary
 
Inside english is my nemesis. I probably dog 1 out of every 5 shots when I use inside.

I know the solution is practice, but I'd rather practice shots/situations that I need to use more frequently.
 
I long ago lost track of how many easy shots I missed because I wanted to put inside English on the cue ball. I have the worst time trying to allow for the throw on the object ball. Hopefully I will master it when my table arrives. Do any of you struggle in this area? :(

That is actually one of my other half's *best" shots, using inside english. I'll ask him for some tips or maybe have him post. He's uses a lot of inside, from what I have been told. :grin-square:
 
I used to do it by feel, now I aim and pivot.

My normal bridge is about ten inches, and just happens to be at the pivot point of my cue.

But, I'm back to feel when the cue ball is near the rail. Have to use a short bridge, so aim and pivot doesn't work. Very scary then.
 
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I long ago lost track of how many easy shots I missed because I wanted to put inside English on the cue ball. I have the worst time trying to allow for the throw on the object ball. Hopefully I will master it when my table arrives. Do any of you struggle in this area? :(

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A lot of ppl and including myself.. It happens a lot...

If you are used to always using english/spin on every hit you'll have a hard time adjusting to center hit every hit...


I'm not fluffing tor here but using the video as reference.
http://youtu.be/RodFnGCN_bo


Best of luck with you're pool game.


Watch the full video or jump forward till about 5:55 minute mark.




Rob.M
 
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I long ago lost track of how many easy shots I missed because I wanted to put inside English on the cue ball. I have the worst time trying to allow for the throw on the object ball. Hopefully I will master it when my table arrives. Do any of you struggle in this area? :(

Not since learning to use Backhand English. Now I rarely miss because of inside english. In fact I have to be careful not to use too much and lose shape.
 
I long ago lost track of how many easy shots I missed because I wanted to put inside English on the cue ball. I have the worst time trying to allow for the throw on the object ball. Hopefully I will master it when my table arrives. Do any of you struggle in this area? :(

For most of us it is more difficult. Most shots do not require inside because it is usually not "running" English, so you play it and practice it a lot less. But it does just take practice. It also takes practice frequently. You can't master inside then not use it for six months and expect to still master it.

For me, the most reliable inside English shot is within a half tip to a tip of center and a half tip high and a normal stroke.
 
I long ago lost track of how many easy shots I missed because I wanted to put inside English on the cue ball. I have the worst time trying to allow for the throw on the object ball. Hopefully I will master it when my table arrives. Do any of you struggle in this area? :(

Well, just remember these two words;
BASIC

Balance,
Absolutely
Still,
In
Concentration

PLAYS

Pause,
Look
At
Your
Spot


Think....B.A.S.I.C. P.L.A.Y.S.

:D
 
Set up a dozen cut shots and banks......play all these shots for 20-30 minutes using nothng but center ball........just use center for every shot.......now change.

Play all these very same shots using inside English.......start with 1/4- 1/2 tip only....shoot the very same shots.....make it easy on your self....gradually make the shots harder and harder and find your throw difference using 1/4, 1/2 and 1 tip of inside English....you'll get the hang of it in 90 mins and you'll never ask this question again.
 
AK Guy,

Are you aware that the throw from the english combines with the collision induced throw? They add together. While outside english throw & the collision induced throw are at odds with each other. For those reasons it takes LESS inside english to throw (push forward) an object ball than it does for outside english to throw (pull backward) an object ball equal amounts. Said another way, to get the same amount of NET throw in both directions requires different amounts of spin for each direction.

If you are missing 'long' on many of your inside english shots, remembering that collision induced throw might help. The right amount of outside english can & merely negates the collision throw. it takes more to throw it farther back (pull it back).

If you are already aware of the above then i would perhaps suggest playing nearly a full session of 'practice' hitting every shot with inside english & then finish with a few racks playing normally. if you do that a few times, I think your inside english play will improve.

Good luck with finding your solution.

Best Wishes,
Rick

PS Are you playing with a regular shaft or a 'low deflection' shaft? Do you use a pivot method to apply english or are you doing a 'parallel' shift? I might be able to give you some insight on those.
 
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In my opinion, Inside English is less difficult at medium to long range shots using a low deflection cue (A cue/shaft which produces reduced cue ball squirt.).

With enough practice of Inside English, you can accomplish almost the same results with a traditional shaft/cue.

JoeyA
 
Inside at half the table length or less is one of my strong suits. Not sure if this is a "system" or what but it absolutely works for me. Aim THROUGH the side of the cue ball where you plan to hit it to the contact point on the OB. Goes in every time for me.

This doesn't work on long shot as well since the CB has time to curve more.
 
Another issue with any spin application -- and especially so with inside english -- is how the amount of throw incrementally changes during long sessions of practice or competition, due to the CB and OBs acquiring steadily growing amounts of nearly invisible hand oils (when racking, retrieving, and spotting balls) -- oils that capture the table's accumulating grime of microscopic chalk dust shaken loose during hundreds (even thousands) of cuetip impacts.

In short, as the balls' surfaces change, the throw changes.

Arnaldo
 
AK Guy,

I like Bava's suggestions too. I was just never a drill type kind of guy. But if you are, then have at it.

Maybe combine both. Do what he suggests & then play a whole practice session shooting all inside & then finish with a few racks shooting normally.

Best,
Rick
 
I have never used an aiming system... Practice makes perfect and we tend to practice inside less because it usually isn't running english.

Make a concerted effort to practice inside on all types of shots as the contact point is a bit different.
 
If anyone uses pivoting to apply sidespin then he has to know that pivoting from the center of the cue ball is not the right way to do it. Of course most of the "knowledgable" guys here will start posting against me like they did in the past..... When
I posted this a few weeks ago, one of the "knowledgable" players here said that if
I don't pivot from ccb then I am using parallel english !!!!!!! So much knowledge......
 
If anyone uses pivoting to apply sidespin then he has to know that pivoting from the center of the cue ball is not the right way to do it. Of course most of the "knowledgable" guys here will start posting against me like they did in the past..... When
I posted this a few weeks ago, one of the "knowledgable" players here said that if
I don't pivot from ccb then I am using parallel english !!!!!!! So much knowledge......

Give me a break. There are multitude of pivot system out there. Some happen to start at center; some do not.

The standard aim & pivot method starts from the center.

Maybe someone isn't so knowledgeable.
 
Give me a break. There are multitude of pivot system out there. Some happen to start at center; some do not.

The standard aim & pivot method starts from the center.

Maybe someone isn't so knowledgeable.

If you are right handed and you pivot from ccb to apply left inside for a left cut, how often do you make the shot ? How does the same method work for a cut to the right ? I tell you, that's not the right way to do it. If it works for you, then everything is fine. And if it works with any shaft then I have nothing to say. But it doesn't.................. Because you are not in the correct line...........
 
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