Inside English misses!

[number13cfan]

Playing shots with Inside, means, 'opposite English' to what ever side of the OB the player is trying to contact. It's like a 'gear' effect with the 2 spheres,

The one advantage to playing certain shots with ISE is, you have a tool in your hand to aim with the, 'cue tip!' You now can actually have something you can AIM at an 'exact' spot on the OB, like aiming the sight on a rifle at the target.

As one poster has already noted, the distance between the CB and OB is a HUGE factor, along with 'how much ISE you apply.

I don't know if many people have noticed but, the BEST player of the later part of the 20th Century, (Efren) uses ISE very often to pocket, (certain thin cut shots) and play unusual position with ease.

Number13cfan

 

[dr_dave]

I long ago lost track of how many easy shots I missed because I wanted to put inside English on the cue ball. I have the worst time trying to allow for the throw on the object ball. Hopefully I will master it when my table arrives.

If one uses the same method to adjust for throw and squirt/swerve for every shot with english, aiming with inside english should be no more difficult than aiming with outside english. For help in this area, the following video is a good place to start:

NV E.2 - Back-Hand (BHE) and Front-Hand English (FHE), from HAPS I

And many more videos and resources relating to to this can be found here:

aim compensation for squirt, swerve, and throw

Enjoy, and good luck,
Dave

 

[Cornerman]

If you are right handed and you pivot from ccb to apply left inside for a left cut, how often do you make the shot ? How does the same method work for a cut to the right ? I tell you, that's not the right way to do it. If it works for you, then everything is fine. And if it works with any shaft then I have nothing to say. But it doesn't.................. Because you are not in the correct line...........

I'm having a very bad deja vu....

I use 3 or 4 different pivot systems. One of them starts in the center. Let's pretend I know something. And if I don't know anything, it won't matter to you.

Freddie <~~~ not about to rehash a 15-year-old conversation

 

[SmoothStroke]

It's easier to find left or right english than to find center ball. I never use center ball unless I have to hit dead stop or stun follow.

Hit the balls heavy, I repeat, hit the balls heavy.

Once you see it and feel it, pocketing with inside is not that difficult.

Before you know it you will be hitting table length reverse kill shots, and blind pocket shots with inside, sending whitey 3 rails around the table.

Like anything else, it takes practice.

Hit them heavy.

 

[CJ Wiley]

"inside game," it does take knowledge and practice.

Many people are not confident with their "inside game," it does take knowledge and practice.

My "Touch of Inside" will help you and if you PM me your name and address I'll drop one in the mail for you......I'm very confident that it will give you an entirely different outlook on how to use the inside dimension of the cue-ball. Check out the following link to see how it works playing a very challenging game.

BEATING THE 15 BALL GHOST USING THE TOUCH OF INSIDE

I long ago lost track of how many easy shots I missed because I wanted to put inside English on the cue ball. I have the worst time trying to allow for the throw on the object ball. Hopefully I will master it when my table arrives. Do any of you struggle in this area?

 

[JAM]

That is actually one of my other half's *best" shots, using inside english. I'll ask him for some tips or maybe have him post. He's uses a lot of inside, from what I have been told. :grin-square:

You know, on second thought, maybe it is better that Keith not enter into the discussion about inside english and aiming and, well, you know. .:wink:

 

[zpele]

So I went downstairs to my table and shot some balls with inside. I realized that I do aim different on inside shots but it's instinctual. I aim to 'push' the object ball into the pocket if that makes sense. I don't envision a straight line from contact but I only do this when applying inside english and I'm not sure why. I don't have any problem making these types of shots but visualizing the shot this way helps me to get the ball in the pocket.

 

[CJ Wiley]

the game will open this door when the student is ready

For some reason our minds are "wired" to use outside or "running" english. The only way I've seen anyone overcome this instinct is to MAKE themselves hit the inside of the cue-ball for an extended amount of practice time.

In my TOI video I recommend playing 3 straight hours using nothing but TOI.....and still try to play the same patterns as usual. When a player commits to doing this they will get an epiphany sometime during this session....revelations are different for everyone so I don't try to predict what will happen - the game will open this door when the student is ready. 'The Game is the Teacher'

I have never used an aiming system... Practice makes perfect and we tend to practice inside less because it usually isn't running english.

Make a concerted effort to practice inside on all types of shots as the contact point is a bit different.

 

[oldschool1478]

I aim the cue ball's heart, into the goast ball's heart, not my cue shaft.
I align my vision center on this line then drop down with what ever spin
is required to put the cue ball where I want it for the next shot.
Using this method, I don't think about any form of compensation for throw.
It seems to self compensate.

Obviously, I am subconsciously adjusting but I don't feel it. It takes practice to ignore
the line of your shaft, and only focus on the heart to heart alignment. Of course,
you must stroke your cue straight through the cue ball where you need to for the spin.

This is obviously a ghost ball method, and we all know you can't see a ghost.
However, with practice, and deductive reasoning, you can understand where its
heart is. On most shots, I don't even have to walk around to see the OB to pocket line.

I like to practice using reinforcement markers for the cue ball and object ball, and have a friend
call the english as I am droping down for the shot, with my vision centered on that heart to heart line.
I just place my bridge where needed for the spin ( or no spin ) and stroke parallel to the line.

Try it! Works for me and others I have shown it to.

 

[pdcue]

You know, on second thought, maybe it is better that Keith not enter into the discussion about inside english and aiming and, well, you know. .:wink:

Keep in mind that only about 1% of us play anything close to Keith's speed - and
most play closer to 1% of his speed. I am often surprised at how many VERY good
players struggle with inside english, thin cuts, and blind cuts. It really is just a matter
of practice, practice, practice - and getting to Carnegie Hall...

His "famous" super spin inside english "It's like a nightmare" shot from TCOM is one
I like to use when warming up.

Dale(more than 1% - but not a lot more)

 

[CJ Wiley]

Many players miss shots because they're deaccelerating and don't real eyes it

When you cue the ball to the inside right it will defect slightly to the left, which cuts the ball thinner to the right......so, when you accelerate the object ball will cut slightly thinner. When you DON'T accelerate the spin will bring the cue-ball back towards the object ball's center and will undercut......so speed is very important, and to get the correct speed you must accelerate at the moment of contact.

When I'm playing my "A" game there's only two things I do every time and that's TOI and Accelerate! Many players miss shots because they're deaccelerating and don't realize they're doing it.....using TOI brings this to the players attention immediately.

So I went downstairs to my table and shot some balls with inside. I realized that I do aim different on inside shots but it's instinctual. I aim to 'push' the object ball into the pocket if that makes sense. I don't envision a straight line from contact but I only do this when applying inside english and I'm not sure why. I don't have any problem making these types of shots but visualizing the shot this way helps me to get the ball in the pocket.

 

[number13cfan]

When you cue the ball to the inside right it will defect slightly to the left, which cuts the ball thinner to the right......so, when you accelerate the object ball will cut slightly thinner. When you DON'T accelerate the spin will bring the cue-ball back towards the object ball's center and will undercut......so speed is very important, and to get the correct speed you must accelerate at the moment of contact.


When I'm playing my "A" game there's only two things I do every time and that's TOI and Accelerate! Many players miss shots because they're deaccelerating and don't realize they're doing it.....using TOI brings this to the players attention immediately.

This is EXACTLY what's known in 3 Cushion as a 'Short' stroke!

Very interesting and clever way you explained ( in Red) this phenomenon!

Number13cfan

 

[CJ Wiley]

"The game is already perfect, it's up to us to uncover that perfection" - CJ Wiley

Thanks for pointing that out, I wasn't aware of this, however, I understand how it would be essential for 3 Cushion Billiards. Pool is a phenomenal game, although if someone isn't familiar with the "inside dimension" they are missing out on some of the greatest aspects. imho

"The game is already perfect, it's up to us to uncover that perfection" - CJ Wiley

This is EXACTLY what's known in 3 Cushion as a 'Short' stroke!

Very interesting and clever way you explained ( in Red) this phenomenon!

Number13cfan

 

[ENGLISH!]

Ak Guy,

I would suggest that you take CJ up on his offer.

 

[ENGLISH!]

Jen,

I'm sure most of us would LOVE to hear what Keith has to say. Well... maybe not most all of us...but most of us with open minds.

Best Wishes to you Both,
Rick

 

[CJ Wiley]

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Keith knows the "inside game" as well as anyone, and there is a similarity between Keith's game and mine......he knows as well as I do what an advantage it is to play opponents that don't understand the power of the "inside dimension".

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Jen,

I'm sure most of us would LOVE to hear what Keith has to say. Well... maybe not most all of us...but most of us with open minds.

Best Wishes to you Both,
Rick

 

[trob]

It's a tough shot no doubt. Especially when there is distance between CB and OB.

I practice this shot more than any other...

Gary

yep part of my every day practice routine..it's an important shot I use often

 

[HawaiianEye]

I play "inside" on EVERY shot, unless I have to use something else to get back in line to where I can use "inside" again. I "formulate" my game plan patterns with the idea of using "inside" (or TOI) for each shot where that is "feasable". There are SOME shots that will require something OTHER than inside, so obviously you use what is necessary on those occasions.

 

[AtLarge]

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[Dunnn51]

I used to do it by feel, now I aim and pivot.

My normal bridge is about ten inches, and just happens to be at the pivot point of my cue.

But, I'm back to feel when the cue ball is near the rail. Have to use a short bridge, so aim and pivot doesn't work. Very scary then.

I shoot inside by "feel" now as well. Takes A LOT of practice, but once you get it down its allllll good ! You know when you approach the shot just how much Inside to give it. There are a few distinct advantages to using "inside" , .... I adopted it when I noticed a short-stop using it quite often and he rarely misses !

I use it about 60-70 % of the time now, and I usually pot just over 80 % on average.

There are times you don't want to use "inside," and that is what is screwing me up now. :frown: