Interesting Ball in Hand Layout - What Would you Do Here?

I am still right. Literally.

I don't want to shoot the 6 from the center of the table, esp w/ 9b there. I want to shoot 6 by 9 and hit end rail (or 2rails out of corner) to get back up table.

As someone else stated...let's hope the side pocket is cut right!:eek:
 
uwate said:
You have an open shot with ball in hand. You gotta swing here and put the cueball deep in the jaws and draw out to the middle of the table. Playing safe has to be nearly as tough and even if it isnt, you have a good shot to win..why take the chance of your opponent kicking in a ball and running out?
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I have seen you and you are not a lefty;). You better get under the 6 then!
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
This is a funny situation. If the 4ball were actually "frozen" to the rail, I'm not sure I'd play the safety since I have to make sure the cueball touches the rail or it's a foul. If the 4ball is near frozen (which is what I think you meant), the safety is much easier.
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The thing is though if the 4-ball is not quite frozen the shot to the left corner becomes pretty easy for anyone who can shoot, and the out is pretty easy after that. Letting your opponent back at the table with a chance to make a kick safety could suddenly have you wishing you had just run out.

If the table is that bad that the horn might be an issue if the 4 is frozen I am not sure I would want to trust the table any more on hitting the 4 and holding the cueball up on the lip of the pocket.

I honestly think if you are playing someone who is good you just run out here. If you are playing someone not so good and want to toy with them, that horn hook will do it.
 
Glad you all enjoyed it -- very unique situation...thought it'd be fun to share.

I spoke with Tony about the shot -- 4-ball WAS frozen but it was frozen in a way that it wasn't makeable in the side and if he shot it in either corner pocket, he'd risk hitting the points of the side pocket. He said when he shot the shot, he put the cue ball very close to the 4-ball and hit the ball nearly dead full, just a hair to the left so that it nearly kills the cue ball with just enough speed to nuzzle behind the point.

:) Happy Friday!!
 
cleary said:
How would you go about kicking at the 4? With a frozen cueball, I dont see an easy hit on the 4.

I mean, the safety is a low percentage out, but the goal would be to move the 4 off the rail slightly to make pocketing/position easier.
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Depending on where the 4-ball ends up and if the cue-ball ends up frozen or not, you could leave a 1-rail kick or multi-rail kick. Against good players, kicking to hit a ball isn't too hard... getting safe is harder... or luckier! :p
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
I think we can write this off to an equipment-specific situation. Since I know the tables Tony played this shot on, I think it's fair to say if you need to achieve a rail with the cueball, there's added risk. If not, it's an easy safe.
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The shot is much easier on a diamond with the deep shelf, but works just the same on a GC. Its actually hard to miss getting the cueball to the rail(inside part of the side pocket facing), the hard part is hitting the OB first and not scratching. Inside english helps hold it.

I played a similar shot in the corner pocket. I dont remember the exact layout, but it was something like this. I just remember I couldnt pocket the ball and it was frozen right on the edge of where the pocket facing starts.

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GG11 said:
Interesting layout that happened last night in league.... what would you do here.... I'll post what Tony did after a few responses..

You have Ball in Hand....what's your strategy? The Four Ball is Frozen and so not cuttable in the side pocket.

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Shoot the 6 into the side pocket off of the 4. The 4 goes down by the corner pocket. Shoot the 4 next then the 7 and get position on the 8 ball.

By the way ---we are shooting 8 ball aren't we---or are we making an assumption?
 
While I'm still doing my original shot and feel like I'm gonna get out here... I do like that safety. I especially like it given the position of the 8.

I never saw it until I recently watched a link to an old accustats instructional video, where pat fleming explains various tricks (including some great safeties). It's on youtube. This was one of the tricks, and it came up for me the very same day and I pulled it off.

If the 8's not there, it crossbanks into the side pretty easily by cutting it straight sideways into the rail. Just the collision induced throw is enough to send it into the opposite side pocket.
 
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