investors needed

I know a little something about making and selling videos.

Its cool to have a dream and all but you are 100% drawing dead.

Once you get your $2000 building you are going to have to put $5-$20K worth of video gear in it plus a storage medium for "years" of footage and someone to spend time editing it. I for one would not put that kind of gear into a $2k building for 2 years.

For what? A video that might in the absolute best BEST case sell 200 copies in the first year or so. And because it is a short form video with shots taking just seconds to experience the "gee whiz" factor people will jack that sh!t in a heartbeat and the shot you spent two years working on will be on Youtube about 5 minutes after you release the DVD.

Screw an investor. Spend those 2 years in the pool room working on a routine and come out as a trick shot artist. There are guys who do OK doing nothing but trick shots (for the life of me I dont understand why, but more power to them).

At some point you just have to consider the return on investment. The most valuable thing on earth is time. Why invest so much for such a little return? Both you and and the financial investor?

The above is all written with the idea that you are serious about what you posted.

If you are just high or hammered and pulling our chains, please disregard.

(The latter would be funny and much more logical)
 
Who knows some figures on sales of Pool Tapes?

What tape has the highest sales?-How many sold approximately?

What part of the sales price normally goes to the owner?


Id say that there are not 3 pool tapes out there that sold over 20,000 copies as a total guess.

AS it is, I dont see any profit in this tape especially if you value your time. Still Id like to see the above figures first.
 
Nostroke said:
Who knows some figures on sales of Pool Tapes?

What tape has the highest sales?-How many sold approximately?

What part of the sales price normally goes to the owner?


Id say that there are not 3 pool tapes out there that sold over 20,000 copies as a total guess.

AS it is, I dont see any profit in this tape especially if you value your time. Still Id like to see the above figures first.
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I would be absolutely stunned if one pool instructional or trick shot video sold 20,000 copies. The only shot is if there is one that is a standard, one that stands the test of time and sells for 10 or 15 years. I can't think of one that would even come close.

I would sacfrice small animals to pagan gods to get a video to sell 25% of that number.
 
Jamison,

I met you in Pennsylvania at the Masters competition. I know that you have a strong drive and love for the sport. Do what you want to do. Get you a good camera and tripod and get something started. You can do this.

Jamie "Bayou Bullet" Moody
 
JamisonNeu said:
If I think they are willing to invest then we can work from there or if they want it on paper then I will write it down on paper.
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I know a lot of people have already chimed in on this, but there's no way you'll get an investor to put up any sort of money given the specs you've laid out here. You don't need an elaborate business plan but you certainly do need clear, realistic financial projections, including return on equity and whatnot. For the kind of expense and time you're talking about, a trick shot video will never break even, let alone make a sufficient profit.

Also, as a lawyer I can guarantee you that no one will invest a penny without having everything in writing.
 
Jason Robichaud said:
I want to prove that it is possible to walk on water. The weather here in Calgary is in the 90's, so perfect conditions. I need someone willing to invest 20,000$ for an in-ground pool at my house. I will spend the next two summers trying walk on water. Once I capture this on video the investor can keep 100% of revenue from DVD sales. I will pay all utilities.
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We all know you cant walk on water and we all know I can make the best video of all time. Even if you hate me you still know it, deep down in the truth section of your brain you know it.

Spider web that is the video (Yokomura Kamura.) It has sold millions of copy's worldwide. Mike Massey has told me his video's make him 20g a year. There is a market, it is the fact that it pays a little forever that makes it a good investment. The market is not a small in tricks as it is in pool.
 
JCIN said:
I would be absolutely stunned if one pool instructional or trick shot video sold 20,000 copies. The only shot is if there is one that is a standard, one that stands the test of time and sells for 10 or 15 years. I can't think of one that would even come close.

I would sacfrice small animals to pagan gods to get a video to sell 25% of that number.
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You are way off base Paul Gerni's video has sold more than that.lol
Pool videos sell to pool players and trick shot videos sell to everyone else.
 
JamisonNeu said:
We all know you cant walk on water and we all know I can make the best video of all time. Even if you hate me you still know it, deep down in the truth section of your brain you know it.

Spider web that is the video (Yokomura Kamura.) It has sold millions of copy's worldwide. Mike Massey has told me his video's make him 20g a year.
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I will bet you whatever you want and lay you 100 to 1 that you can not provide verifiable proof that a trick shot video has sold more than 2 million copies. Lets keep this based in reality.

As far as your comment about Mike Massey there are two very big points you seem to be missing.

1. He is Mike Massey and you are not.

2. Videos is plural and he has more than one that didn't take him 2 years locked in a $2k building he built with his own hands out of cardboard and balsa wood to make.


If you want to go into the trick shot business, go for it more power to you, but quit trying to convince people who actually have some knowledge of the subject matter that this crazy idea has merit.

Look at the ones who have been succesful in your field of endeavour, use that as a guide and improve or change where you see fit. If you love what you are doing and work hard you can find a way but don't handicap yourself by starting out without an accurate idea of what the risk and reward possibilities are.
 
JamisonNeu said:
You are way off base Paul Gerni's video has sold more than that.lol
Pool videos sell to pool players and trick shot videos sell to everyone else.
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How do you know what they sold?

Because he told you so?

I sell pool videos for a living, how many have you actually produced or sold? Do you have any idea what it takes to actually do it? Making the video is the easy part.

I think I see where this is going. Enjoy your quest for the ultimate trick shot video, you obviously already know everything.
 
JCIN said:
How do you know what they sold?

Because he told you so?

I sell pool videos for a living, how many have you actually produced or sold? Do you have any idea what it takes to actually do it? Making the video is the easy part.

I think I see where this is going. Enjoy your quest for the ultimate trick shot video, you obviously already know everything.
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Why are you rude?
 
JCIN said:
I will bet you whatever you want and lay you 100 to 1 that you can not provide verifiable proof that a trick shot video has sold more than 2 million copies. Lets keep this based in reality.

As far as your comment about Mike Massey there are two very big points you seem to be missing.

1. He is Mike Massey and you are not.

2. Videos is plural and he has more than one that didn't take him 2 years locked in a $2k building he built with his own hands out of cardboard and balsa wood to make.


If you want to go into the trick shot business, go for it more power to you, but quit trying to convince people who actually have some knowledge of the subject matter that this crazy idea has merit.

Look at the ones who have been succesful in your field of endeavour, use that as a guide and improve or change where you see fit. If you love what you are doing and work hard you can find a way but don't handicap yourself by starting out without an accurate idea of what the risk and reward possibilities are.
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See just plain rude???
 
JamisonNeu said:
See just plain rude???
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I think he is just trying to show you the reality of your business idea. This is what he does and he is telling you that the goals are not even close to realistic. Everyone here (I think) are pool players and consumers of these videos. If we are not interested in buying, I think that should be a sign.
 
JamisonNeu said:
Why are you rude?
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Well you laugh at me in a post and dismiss my opinion as if it is a well known fact that Paul Gerni has sold more tapes than Accu-Stats probably does in a few years combined.

I have been around pool for 20 years and until recently I have never heard of the guy so I find it hard to believe he has sold 20,000+ of a tape full of trick shots. I could be wrong but until I see verifiable proof to the contrary I stand by my opinion.

If you think my post is rude you are in for a long haul in trying to run your own business.

God...... I just realized I am arguing with a guy who wants to build a building in his yard (for $2000) so he can spend 8 hours a day for two years working on a trick shot video. Why do I do this to myself?

Jamison, I know what its like to want to do something like this. I am doing it right now and it is the best time I have had in my life. BUT. You have to be practical, there must be at least the slightest chance for a profit or ongoing income. If you really believe that what you proposed in this thread makes sense then .......good luck I guess.
 
Paul Gerni won the world trick shot championship 22 times, Mike Massey has won it like 15 times. Both are world wide known for the most part, and are professionals. And you are??????????? Further more, I know Mike Massey personaly as I've delivered both his tables to his house, the 9ft Diamond ProAm and the Gabriels 5 x 10 billiards table. And you are again?????

Glen
 
I love watching your trick shots. Wish I could do half of them. Why not just enter into the trick shooting contests and win them.
 
realkingcobra said:
Paul Gerni won the world trick shot championship 22 times, Mike Massey has won it like 15 times. Both are world wide known for the most part, and are professionals. And you are??????????? Further more, I know Mike Massey personaly as I've delivered both his tables to his house, the 9ft Diamond ProAm and the Gabriels 5 x 10 billiards table. And you are again?????

Glen
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I am Jamison Neu. Who are you?

Is Mike Massey a nice person? I have always wondered about that. I guess you are his friend. He seems like a nice person. Did you install Roberts table as well.
 
Black-Balled said:
What is this Kamura vid you reference? AZB/ Google gets 0...
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Actually his name is Kimura (key-more-a) and I've known him for years. Really nice guy but to be honest, that video did take forever for him to make. There's one shot where he has a coin on the edge of the cushion and he jumps it into a glass...............on the other end of the next table, we're talking a good 12-15 feet away. I asked him about that and he said it took more than 500 tries. Sorry, to me it doesn't really qualify as a trick shot if it takes more than 3 or 4 times to make it.
MULLY
 
JamisonNeu said:
I am Jamison Neu. Who are you?

Is Mike Massey a nice person? I have always wondered about that. I guess you are his friend. He seems like a nice person. Did you install Roberts table as well.
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Jamison, thanks for another entertaining thread. Aren't you the guy who got stomped by Mike Gilette in a bar last week? That was another entertaining thread. Drop your video idea and work on fiction. You're good at it.

(And stop calling JCIN rude, if you were really serious about this, his advice on the subject would trump anyone else)
 
worldison2 said:
Jamison, thanks for another entertaining thread. Aren't you the guy who got stomped by Mike Gilette in a bar last week? That was another entertaining thread. Drop your video idea and work on fiction. You're good at it.


LOL, makes you wonder how long his nose would be if it wasn't "broken" :scratchhead:
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