perhaps it should be a foul- but a loss of game? seems quite extreme.
Iowa 2025 - Ultimate Pool USA
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But.....should they be????
Yes. Mostly the differences should be around the clock since there is not a ref assigned to each table. Also, hard to enforce all ball fouls without a ref.
The reason you can’t shoot directly into your opponent’s ball is to prevent stalling, towards the end of a match. They explained it.
The rules were pretty straightforward and for a specific purpose. Some people were a little confused, because the Shootout rules were slightly different from the Open rules. Also, as Easy stated above, the existence of a ref made the stream table rules different. Its a problem with no good solution, it’s happened at other tournaments.
The one thing I didn’t understand, what happened in the Joe Prince vs SVB match? Prince breaks and makes a ball, shoots a stripe in the side, ref calls foul. BIH for SVB, he has no idea what is going on. The ridiculously poor announcer doesn’t even notice, they are just rambling about nothing, as usual. IIRC, it was about 9 minutes in.
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Shootout and an Open?
so what’s the difference between a
Shootout and an Open?
Here are the applicable rules
(a) The player MUST indicate to the referee and/or the opponent the intended group.
(b) Failure to call a group, after pocketing a ball, whilst the table is open, is loss of turn (See Rule6d), the table remains open.
Joe Prince must not have said stripes to either Shane or the ref. He called for his extension, but not his group.
I think you are correct, it wasn’t anything else. Joe reacted immediately, he knew.
The shootout is a sort of star-studded invitational, played at the beginning. 8 on the break is a win, but not in the actual tournament. 8 on the break with a scratch is a loss, but not in the open. Other small differences also.
So that falls under the "touching ball" rule. If the cue ball is frozen to a ball while the table is open, you have to nominate your suit or it's loss of turn, not BIH. If the table is open, and your shot is obvious, you do not have to nominate. I nominated my suit two or three times because the solid (or stripe) I wanted to shoot at was close to other balls. So I nominated it just to be sure I wouldn't get called for a loss of turn. I was ringside for that match and I could just feel that Joe wasn't going to nominate it and it would cost him. He told me later that he just got caught up in the moment thinking about his pattern.
My least favorite rule, although I understand and accept their reasoning, is that if you only make the 8-ball on the break (in the open, not the shootout) it spots and you lose your turn at the table.
that makes no sense
My least fav was missing your shot but slopping it in another pocket and continue your inning.
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Their reasoning is that there are still 15 balls on the table so you "made nothing".
That rarely came up when good players were playing.
Once is too much, twice in a set is tooo much when yah got the win.
Sounds good.
I agree. But a "deliberate foul" is loss of game according to these rules. A daft rule if you ask me - but there was deliberation/intention behind putting his hand in the pocket.
Regardless, putting your hand in the pocket to collect a falling ball is a foul.
You're correct. You are not allowed to do a dirty combo. The referee in the women's match missed that call. I played in the Iowa Open and this scenario came up in one of my matches. I stopped my opponent before he made the foul and called for a ref. He confirmed that it was not allowed. Needless to say, my opponent appreciated the gesture.