IPT- Answers to Your Questions Here

Deno J. Andrews

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Good evening,

It is my pleasure to offer some answers to the many questions and address the controversies regarding the International Pool Tour. I spent the last hour on the phone with Kevin Trudeau and he asked me to relay this information. This post is not meant to start a conversation between me and the group, but rather to offer some answers of pressing questions.

Let me start by introducing myself to any of you who might not know me already. My name is Deno J. Andrews and I am the Tour Director for the International Pool Tour. Some people have inquired about my credentials or qualifications to be a tour director, so I will address that first.

I was a competitive 3-cushion billiards player for ten years and traveled the country and abroad playing in and organizing tournaments and exhibitions. During that time I was fortunate to have learned from some of the game’s best players. Although I was no great champion at 3-cushion, I have won a few small tournaments, have been fortunate to have beaten some of the best players in the world, and proudly represented (by invitation) the United States in the Pan-American 3-cushion Championship in 1997 in Panama City, Panama. During those years, I promoted and ran dozens of international events and hosted exhibitions with some of the best players in billiards. Shortly after deciding not to compete any more because of the lack of opportunity to make a respectable income, I was recruited to be the United States Director of Operations for Gorina S.A., manufacturers of the Granito brand of carom, pool, and snooker fabrics. After several years with Gorina, I left the industry to pursue a very good opportunity in the biotechnology arena where I would be involved in multi-million dollar projects and directives. In the last seven years while working outside the industry, I have continued to be involved in the billiards industry. I am an historian of the game and have one of the larger antiquarian billiard-book collections in the country. I am also a collector of fine cue sticks and artifacts and am a contributing editor to the next edition of the Blue Book of Pool Cues. Finally, I hold a B.A. in business from DePaul University. Billiards is my life, and it has been since I was a child watching my grandfather, who was a world-class 3-cushion player himself.

Some people have gone as far as emailing me to question my intentions in taking this position. All I can say is that my intentions are to do what has not been done in fifty years of pocket billiards- to be a part of a group that will bring the game from the back-room to the mainstream where players can become household names and make fabulous livings for themselves and their families. I would hope that those of you who know me, or have dealt with me, would relay your experiences or thoughts to those who might question my intentions.

How did the 150 players get chosen? Why are there players on that list that may not play as good as other players? Etc.

Let me preface the answer by writing this- all of what is known about who the top players are today comes from 9-ball (mostly), played on tables with big pockets and fast worsted wool cloth. The fact is that nobody really knows who the best players are going to be playing 8-ball, on very tight tables, with slower woolen cloth, playing in a round-robin format. Sure, most people are confident in their speculation of who might play well, and they may be correct, but it is impossible to know for sure. Therefore…the process was:

Once the application process was initiated, applications began pouring in from all over the world. Each application had the date that the player applied clearly visible. If the player was an obvious top level player in the world, Kevin Trudeau automatically chose him or her. If the player was not known, Kevin carefully examined the application and began to ask around about the player to make sure that he or she played like it said on the application. Once it was determined that it was a serious application and a player was qualified, they were chosen. It is that simple. Another component was how quickly they applied because Kevin wanted a full tour of qualified people who are “dying” to play on a big-time tour. Waiting around to the last minute meant that the field was almost already full of those players who were really pumped to try something new. Skeptics and procrastinators ran the risk of being passed up, which did happen to some pretty good players. The format for the first year dictates that the bottom fifty money earners from 2006 lose their tour card and have to try and re-qualify. The top fifty players in the qualification tournament will then take those spots. In the first year, Kevin had to start somewhere, and this 150 player list is where we are starting. By 2007, the field will certainly be even stronger than it is now, and by 2008 the tour will be unequivocally the toughest global field ever assembled.

What role did Deno Andrews play in the selection process?

By the time I came on board, there were 30 open positions. I made some comments here and there, but Kevin chose the players in the same manner as he did before I came on board. I totally agree with how he went about choosing the players and researching those players whose names he didn’t recognize. By the way, Mike Sigel had nothing whatsoever to do with the player selection process. Kevin did ask him about certain players and also asked many other people. The list was not chosen by Mike Sigel, nor did he even see the list until it was published. Only Kevin and myself (once I came on board) saw the list (and other IPT staff) until it was published.

Is there an alternate player list?

Yes there is. It will not be published. There is no criteria regarding who is on the top or in what order they will be chosen if needed. They will basically be chosen by Kevin and Kevin alone.

How did the players in the 43 player event get chosen?

All of the players are tour players. Thirteen are Hall of Fame members including Mike Sigel, who is the King of the Hill. The Hall of Fame members were invited. The remaining players were chosen based on several criteria including proven ability, potential ability (that nobody knows about yet), name recognition, what was written on the application, dark horses, etc. Kevin Trudeau picked the entire list.

Why do the Hall of Fame players get such a great seed over all the other top players?

Basically, this is a made for TV event like the first challenge match, both with the purpose of getting the tour and the real competition (starting in January) going. The Hall of Fame players have name recognition and it is a very special event to have them all playing together and also against the game’s current elite. This is an exhibition tournament that is designed for TV. Think of the HOF group as a barrier for the other players to have to overcome. This event is a promotion…an invitational. When was the last time you heard of a pool tournament paying last place? At this tournament, all players are guaranteed $6200, win or lose, with no entry fee. That is what an invitational tournament is supposed to be. The $30,000 guarantee for the HOF members is a gesture, to honor these players if you will. As I have read these posts about how these players don’t deserve such a tribute, it saddens me that supporters of pool would so quickly discredit the HOF members and basically promote that they aren’t worth what they are being paid. Well, those people who wrote such things should see the $6200 guarantee for all players as a prize bigger than many first prizes of major tournaments in the last 50 years. My personal opinion is that Kevin Trudeau has shown everyone that this tour is about the players, past and present. I would also suggest that people try to find out what the players who are playing in this event think of the format and the Hall of Fame seeding. I have yet to talk to a “player” who didn’t think giving the Hall of Fame members this one special tribute was anything less than great.

Why does Mike Sigel get preferential treatment in all of this?

When Kevin Trudeau started this tour, he needed a main character to get things off the ground. It is no secret that Kevin and Mike are friends and that Kevin learned the game of pool from Mike. Sigel is arguably one of the most historically dominant players alive today, and to have ever played the game for that matter. He is a great player who stopped playing because it wasn’t worth doing any more. Other athletes in other sports who accomplished much less in their sports than he in his sport have made millions; Sigel could barely make a living. That is a great story for TV. People are interested in hearing about that. Now he is back because of the opportunity to win real money is finally a reality for him. Now that the Jones-Sigel match is over, there is one more promotional event- the King of the Hill Invitational, after which time Mike Sigel will be a regular tour player like everyone else on the list when the real competition starts in January.

What right does Kevin Trudeau have to start a pool tour without the blessing of the governing bodies?

He has as much right as anyone to step up to the plate, invest his own money (more by the way than anyone has ever put into this sport), and try to make it happen. The WPA was very clear about their attitude in the letter that they posted here. Basically, if Kevin were to pay the sanction fee, the WPA would sing his praises. Without the sanction fee, they would say that the IPT is bad for the game. What does that tell you? It tells me that the WPA is about money, not about what is good for the game. It is Kevin’s idea, and I totally and unequivocally concur, that what is good for the sport is for the best players to make hundreds of thousands of dollars (or millions) in prize money and hopefully millions more in endorsements, become celebrities and household names. The governing bodies have had decades to make that happen and have failed time and time again. Furthermore, this tour interferes with nothing that is already established or with what the other associations are doing. Our event dates are published for next year already, and we are not out to plan events on top of other events. Kevin wants the players to be successful and famous, and that means playing everywhere they can. Kevin would not tell a player that he or she can’t play somewhere else. Kevin encourages all of the players to play where they want, when they want. Splitting the industry and the players accomplishes nothing. Unfortunately that is what has been done for many years and is what continues to be done, despite its obvious negative results.

Will the players actually get paid?
Yes, they will be paid at each tournament.

Why isn’t Pagulayan or Ortman on the list?

Neither had sent in an application on time. Many very well known players didn’t turn in applications at all. The ones who did will be on the alternate list.

Who will be the commentators?
That is still unknown.

How long will the tour be around?

Kevin Trudeau has committed funds for two years, after which time the tour will be evaluated for continuation. Kevin is confident that it will be a success and go on from there.

Why should we trust Kevin Trudeau considering his past?

I think this is a great question. However, I think the real question that needs to be asked is why shouldn’t he be trusted? Here is my take: Kevin Trudeau is very up front about his past. Twenty years ago he did some very wrong things that landed him in prison. All of that information is right on the IPT web site and he is very open about it. He is not trying to hide anything and he talks about it frequently in interviews. Other very well known people have done some pretty bad things too that have landed them in jail or having to pay large penalties or fines. Some of these names include: Martha Stewart, Bill Gates, President Clinton, President Bush, the list goes on. Kevin Trudeau is a much different person than he was 20 years ago, and I would urge you to think about things that you have done in your past that were mistakes or wrong doings and consider that if people knew about it and held it against you for the rest of your life, how you would like it. Maybe I am the kind of person who likes to give people the benefit of the doubt. I can’t tell you what to think, but I don’t think it would hurt to try and be positive, or at least have some hope that this tour will be successful. As far as trust goes, why not try to be neutral and see what happens when the tour gets started, and judge the tour on its own merit?

Best regards,
Deno J. Andrews
Tour Director,
International Pool Tour
http://www.internationalpooltour.com
 
Thanks for your kind words. I am actually already a poster on this group and moderate a board about 3-cushion under "ask the pros." But thanks for the warm welcome and your positivity about the new tour.

Deno Andrews
 
Thanks for the informative post Deno.

Excitedly looking forward to this tour. I know this is not a Q&A thread, but curious about the format for the 2nd and other events which feature 153 players. Is there anything you can share on that at this point?

btw: I'm thinking of changing the 9-ball league I started to 8-ball :D
 
My question are when does this thing start and how good can you play to be in it. I am a good 8-ball playre. Have run out all my balls and my component had all of his left. So where does I sign up and how much, and will Earl Stickland and Bobby Fischer use cuetechs, or do they have new deals?
 
Deno,
Thanks for the info.
I'm looking forward to the start of the IPT tour.
I still think the selection process was a joke and dissapointing.

I don't think any players should have been selected until September 30th.At that point carefully go over every application and choose the players then.
To give preference to the players who found out about the application window first, is unfair.
Just because a player didn't find out that applications were being accepted until let's say September 15th, this player then applies but is denied a spot because the field has already been selected.

For example if Robb Saez and Tony Crosby applied before September 30th they should have been selected over C & B level players Bernie Friend and Frank Alvarez.

Your selection process is the same as casting 10 people for a play and instead of casting the 10 best actors for the job, you just take the first 10 that audition.

I really feel for some of the great players who have dedicated their lives to the game of pool, who applied on time before September 30th.
Who now are sitting at home looking at the IPT player list with at least 20 no-hopers on it.
I'm one of the only people on this board that keeps bringing the player selections up.
Just think for one second if Keith McCready was also snubbed by the IPT.
Would everyone be so ecstatic about the tour, would you say that Frank Alvarez and 20 other B level players deserve their spots?
 
Hi Deno,

You write well for someone who graduated from DePaul. Just kidding - a great school. And up late too I see. Takes you back to your all nighters. Didn't Daley graduate from DePaul?

Anyway, as you say, people will earn $6,200 just for showing up for the IPT tournament. That, in my opinion, is the real definition of a pro - a person who gets paid to perform.

Right now the Florida pro tour is underway, 47 players, $15,000 added, and first place only pays $5,000. And that is one of the better tournaments here in Florida.

At least I see where Kevin did not reward the skeptics and the come-latelys. And the next time a call is put out for players they will not procrastinate. After all you are running a business and you need workers (players) who are reliable.

Any idea how many seats will be available in Orlando in November? And why no sales at the gate? Will cameras be allowed? Will the players mingle with the crowd? Will they sign autographs? Will they sign cue balls? Does Mike still charge $50 to sign one? I met him in Tampa once and he was most apologetic that he couldn't sign my cue ball because he gets paid $50 to do so. But he did sign the program. That's another thing. Will the tour be selling programs at the events? A great money generator. Pictures of the players along with their bio plus pages of ads.

Sounds like Kevin has all his ducks in a row. Good Luck.
 
Deno,

Thank you for this information, from the horses mouth. I look forward to some postive things for the best in the game. Your organization seems to be making all the right moves in a very straight forward manner.
I am patiently waiting for your success. I think toking the HOF'ers for their past devotions to the game is a 'class act'. I have my fingers crossed.

Objectively/Hopefully yours
Cheesemouse
 
The Kid,

Thank you for your comments. I am sorry that you feel the selection process was a "joke." I am sorry that your favorite players were not chosen and some players who you don't think are good did get chosen. However, the list is the list and this is the starting point. The good news for your players is that they can play in three huge tournaments next year. The first one being the U.S. Open which will have an unprecedented prize fund of $2,000,000 with first place earning $350,000. The second event will have a $3,000,000 prize fund and a first place an unheard of half-million dollar prize. The third tournament is the qualification tournament where if your friends make it in the top 50, they will have tour cards for the 2007 series. So the way I see it, if your friends are that good, they should each do VERY well mext year in the open tournaments and qualify to play on the 2007 series.

Deno Andrews
 
Even though the HOF guys are seeded, best 2 of 3 sets in a race to 9 is not a joke.

By the time a player will have percolated through the ranks to play these guys, well, the cream will have risen to the top.

For example, which HOF player do you see beating Thorsten Hohman in a head to head race mentioned?

Unless Thorsten were to suffer a stroke at the table, it's a done deal ( IMO ).
 
Mr. Wilson said:
For example, which HOF player do you see beating Thorsten Hohman in a head to head race mentioned?
Do you mean non-currently playing male HOFers? Efren is an HOFer. He's invited, isn't he? Is he a seeded player? Are the femal HOFers also seeded? I assume they are.

I think it's a great idea. Especially if you can only be there on the weekend to watch, and want to ensure that the HOFers are still there.

Does Hohman play 8-ball?
 
Thanks Deno

Deno,

Nice to hear the first hand account of some of the things that have aroused great speculation. I have to admit that I am a bit skeptical concerning the IPT but then again I have been very skeptical of a lot of things. Explaining that this next event is one more "promotion" rather than a serious tour event answers a lot of my questions. I thought that was a possibility but without solid information I was just guessing.

One thing I did note was that the tour would be evaluated to decide if it would continue beyond two years. This leaves the question, what will the criteria be? Doubtful that the tour will be in the black in less than two years.

Hu
 
Deno, With all of the excitement of being able to compete on the IPT, I am wondering how will you be able to accept everyone who is a non IPT card holder in the 2006 US Open. Will it be a true open tourny to everyone who can provide the $1000.00 entry fee? Will the other tournaments that non IPT card holder compete in be a limited field? If so you know you will be flooded with entrants trying to meet a deadline, How will you be able to process the entries? In other words, will it be like some of these on-line poker events where you grab a seat as fast as you can type entry, and everyone else becomes a spectator. One last thing if a non IPT card holder wins an event what is his/her status after the win?
 
Deno J. Andrews said:
The Kid,

Thank you for your comments. I am sorry that you feel the selection process was a "joke." I am sorry that your favorite players were not chosen and some players who you don't think are good did get chosen. However, the list is the list and this is the starting point. The good news for your players is that they can play in three huge tournaments next year. The first one being the U.S. Open which will have an unprecedented prize fund of $2,000,000 with first place earning $350,000. The second event will have a $3,000,000 prize fund and a first place an unheard of half-million dollar prize. The third tournament is the qualification tournament where if your friends make it in the top 50, they will have tour cards for the 2007 series. So the way I see it, if your friends are that good, they should each do VERY well mext year in the open tournaments and qualify to play on the 2007 series.

Deno Andrews

Deno please promise us you’ll do your best to create as true of a test as possible when it comes to forming a qualifying event for 2007. I would hate to train for however long to play a short double elimination type event in which our fates were largely dependent on the luck of the draw.

This could have been done quite simply in the first place and would have helped to create more of the publicity this new tour is looking for. We could have picked our Hall of Famers and other obvious qualified players, say 100 and then held 10, 20, 50 or even 100 other qualifying events across the country all in 1 weekend. It would have been very easy to get 50 rooms to hold national qualifiers and we would have had a better chance to grab some national attention. Anyways as you said what’s done is done, here’s a little golfing tidbit to keep in mind while you’re working on our qualifying event or events for 2007.

“There are three stages and a total of 14 rounds in Q school. Only 30-some players of the 1,500 players entered will earn PGA Tour cards. Another 50-some will earn full exemptions to the Nationwide Tour, a Triple-A type training ground for future PGA touring pros.”

Joe T, not picked because?

He was to busy supporting a family when he could have been running around the country breaking even.

Didn’t turn in as good of a resume as Colin

Was on time for class but not as early as the other kids

Obviously out of the political loop

Didn’t quit pool to play poker

OR

8 State Championships in 9 Ball AND 8 Ball,
2 Time #1 Ranked Player in New England,
6 Open Event Titles,
Nationally Ranked 42nd on both Camel & UPA Professional Tours,
2004-2005 #3 Ranked Player on Joss NE 9 Ball Tour
Published Author,
Patented, Inventor,
Instructor,
Promoter of the Sport

Simply isn’t good enough!

I can live with all of the above.
Let’s just do our best in the future to keep things on the up and up. Some of us have been dedicated supporters of the sport for many years as you have and when we get passed by for such lame reasons, it’s more than a little discouraging.
I hope this tour succeeds and I look forward to sweating my *** off in some kind of qualifying school!
 
Deno...I think you left out something very important in your history and background regarding your pool playing ability and it should not be discounted.

You recently knocked off the long time reigning almost God like champion of the RSB ladder matches and YOU now sit alone on the top rung of the ladder.
I am not in any way saying this sarcastically, but in a way that it should be mentioned and appreciated. Ya done good fella...especially for not practicing much at the game.
 
Hey Mr. Tucker,

What? You don't trust the infinite wisdon of Kevin Trudeau to arbitrarely decide who can play based on a resume? LOL

My level of interest in this tour is about 0 based on the selection process and the game played (not a big fan of 8 ball). My level of interest will rise when I feel that the 150 player roster contains the best 150 players in the world. This unfortunately, will not happen for at least a couple of years. At that time, the tour will most likely be defunct.

Without Pagulayan and at least 100 other top players (yourself included) excluded from this Tour, it will lack legitamacy (at least for me).

Regards,

Doug
 
Joe,
Your exclusion is a travesty, yet I think if you want to play on the IPT, knowing you, your determination will get you there. Best of my luck my friend.

Deno, thanks for addressing those issues. Now for a tough question or two.

1) What is being done to form an organization that is deisgned to be separate from the tour to represent the players?

2) What is being done legally to protect the interest of the players if Kevin decides not to continue with this tour after this 2 year commitment? Is something being established to where the tour will continue until the IPT can find another title sponsor? Are we protecting ourselves to ensure that we will not be dropped on our heads again? You can answer me here, or give me a call at 386-208-0011 if you'd rather discuss that privately.

Best of luck, and congratulations on your position.

Blackjack
 
Deno J. Andrews said:
How did the 150 players get chosen? Why are there players on that list that may not play as good as other players? Etc.
(snip)
Another component was how quickly they applied because Kevin wanted a full tour of qualified people who are “dying” to play on a big-time tour. Waiting around to the last minute meant that the field was almost already full of those players who were really pumped to try something new. Skeptics and procrastinators ran the risk of being passed up, which did happen to some pretty good players.
I can appreciate the thought process behind taking the early applicants. In the end, this is a business and my advice to a couple of players when questioned about the application was, treat it like a "real job"...this is your resume that you're presenting to someone that has more people than they do positions. Many will be left out. However, a little more reality needed to be taken into consideration for all of this IMO. What I mean by that is.... there are many, many, many pool players who do not have computers and/or email addresses. Most people think "who doesn't have a computer in this day & age??". Most people also don't know the life of a pool player. There are some that don't even have a valid mailing address. They live in their cars, with friends, family, girlfriends. They're constantly traveling to a pool room somewhere to compete in a tournament that might pay for their gas, hotel, & food. Pool is a game that never needed technology. It's playing equipment cannot be changed by an electronic gadget. The table, balls, chalk, & cues are just what they are. They're also in a pool room where all of this goes on at night when the rest of the working world that has computers is asleep. Due to this lifestyle (which is the nature of the beast in pool. Don't bother chiming in with "it's their decision". Pro pool players choose to play pool because they're great at it. Unfortunately for them, the lifestyle up to this point is the way it is...they've had no choice but to play pool in pool's world). Again, due to this lifestyle it's easy to see how these guys do not have computers, nor have had a need for one. Some of these guys didn't find out until right before the U.S. Open or while they were at the open. Then they had to find a computer and find someone to generate an email address for the them & then type up their resume because they don't know how to type or use a computer at all. I know this first hand because I did all of this for a player two days before the Open....he didn't get in...he's got the talent to be there & his name is known. While I'm on my soapbox about something that is said & done and can't be changed.... due to the things I have mentioned above, no names other than HOF players should've been selected until after the deadline. As first stated, I understand the thought process behind the way it was done but that's a thought process for the "working world". Pool & it's lifestyle are totally different than the working world. That should've been taken into consideration & it wasn't.

As I step off of my soap box, I want to wish the tour, Deno, & all the players the best of luck. I'm not a doom & gloom naysayer of the tour. I want to see it grow. I just felt the need to point out what I mentioned above.
 
know you have experience with round robin, are you going to implement anything to prevent players from fixing matches? I don't have to explain to you how and why it is done in round robin. Will players be barred for life if they are caught, how about savers? Lets face it you are dealing with people who have a bad reputation many known criminals and jail birds to start with and now you are talking real money. Also will there be any kind of players organization that will have any input ? These may seem like odd questions but they are real issues in round robin play. Don't tell me you have never had it happen in Billiards, I was at a billiard tournament and saw it happen.
 
I just don't understand why people are criticizing this effort. I don't care if Kevin is a felon or a divine being, he's putting his own money into pool and who the Hell else is doing that? He isn't asking people to pony up money and using that money to sponsor this, he's using his money. Is this hard for people to comprehend? It would be like *****ing about someone offering you the materials and manpower to build your own house and *****ing at the person because you don't like the type of shingles he's offering you. If I was Mr Trudeau, I'd pull my money and tell the pool world to bite me!

This is win/win deal and anyone that likes this sport should be grateful. I've been on this board for a long time and we have spent a great deal of bandwidth discussing the poor health of this sport and trying to come up with ways of bringing it into the limelight. Now we have someone who is single-handedly trying to do that and people are upset because their favorite player isn't in it or they think he's not doing it exactly how they'd like him to do it. Look back at all the hateful threads and posts about the UPA. Mr Trudeau is doing what many of us never dreamt but always wished would happen, one entity willing to infuse a shitload of money into this sport and trying to put it into the limelight.

Blackjack, I really have enjoyed your posts and I think you are a very thoughtful and sincere person who is really concerned about the players but I just don't think it is Kevin's responsibility to look to a long term benefit package for the players. He's a business man who is going to take a chance on pool to make a profit. If he doesn't start turning a profit after 2 years or realizes that there is no money to be made from this effort, he's gone, it's over, end of story. Therefore, I'd suggest to the players and everyone involved in this effort to do whatever they can to help this endeavor to turn a profit. That would mean having good hygiene, wearing some nice clothes and demonstrating good speaking skills when they're on camera. Then, if this sport is able to generate some profits, the players may be able to form a players union or something similar to what they do in the NFL. After all, the owners of the NFL didn't do anything for their players until the players were united by Mr Upshaw.
 
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