IPT - I am almost ready to give them another chance

Roy Steffensen

Roy Steffensen

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In another thread I said that I could not support the IPT, till IPT have paid all their players, the players who won Tour Card Qualifiers and the players who entered Tour Card Qualifiers but didn't make it.

I have got confirmed now that players who both entered Tour Card Qualifiers and didn't make it, and players who won Tour Card Qualifiers, are now getting their money back.

They haven't got it all back yet, but this is promising, IMO.

IPT knows that if they are ever gonna get support from the poolworld they have to pay everyone back.

Yes, KT screwed everyone up. I even encouraged friends to join the qualifiers because I believed in the tour, and I have felt ashamed since cause they wasted their money. Lots of money. But right now they are actually getting them back.

I have talked to so many different players about the IPT, and they all want it to come back in some kind of format. The IPT put up all the best tournaments and the best format, and the pros enjoyed being there.

I will stand by my word, and if IPT starts with tournaments again (not just the Challenge-matches) I will be ready to give them another chance as long as they have paid the players in full.
 
The IPT was the best and worse thing to happen to pool in recent times but it can be pulled from the flames as long as the funds are in order.No tournament should make players wait for payment,you post up what you promise.If you went to a local tournament and first place was a $500 and after the tourney was over and a guy won it and they told him they were making payments to him there would be some serious problems. :cool: KT should have reached in his deep pockets and paid the players and told everyone he needed to find sponsorship and the tour was on hold until then,no one would have hard feelings and everyone would have pulled for him then.
 
Roy Steffensen said:
In another thread I said that I could not support the IPT, till IPT have paid all their players, the players who won Tour Card Qualifiers and the players who entered Tour Card Qualifiers but didn't make it.

I have got confirmed now that players who both entered Tour Card Qualifiers and didn't make it, and players who won Tour Card Qualifiers, are now getting their money back.

They haven't got it all back yet, but this is promising, IMO.

IPT knows that if they are ever gonna get support from the poolworld they have to pay everyone back.

Yes, KT screwed everyone up. I even encouraged friends to join the qualifiers because I believed in the tour, and I have felt ashamed since cause they wasted their money. Lots of money. But right now they are actually getting them back.

I have talked to so many different players about the IPT, and they all want it to come back in some kind of format. The IPT put up all the best tournaments and the best format, and the pros enjoyed being there.

I will stand by my word, and if IPT starts with tournaments again (not just the Challenge-matches) I will be ready to give them another chance as long as they have paid the players in full.
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That's very admirable of you St. Roy.:D

Two quick sayings.
1) "Most people go thru life aiming at nothing....and usually hit it":(

2) Old Gypsy curse: "May all of your wishes come true";)

Seriously Roy, maybe they will get their entry fees back, but that isn't the sum total of their "losses", in fact it is far from it. Lost dreams, shattered hopes, missed opportunities, time, travel espenses...need I go on?

Is pool that needy that we have to accept the likes of a snake like KT as it's savior? I hope not, because if so...count me out.

Jim
 
Ipt

I don't know KT personally so I cannot attest to his character. To me alot of people seem to base opinions on very little information. That being said i do agree that the money owed should have been paid immediately after the tournament. What KT did do for pool was run some very nice tournaments and had everyone involved in pool excited. For those of you who don't like KT I submit one question. Tell me one other person in pool who has put up so much of his own money for a tournament. Again I don't like or dislike KT since I have never met him and don't truly know his intentions. I would like to say I really wish the IPT success and hope to see more tournaments in the future.
 
storke said:
I don't know KT personally so I cannot attest to his character. To me alot of people seem to base opinions on very little information. That being said i do agree that the money owed should have been paid immediately after the tournament. What KT did do for pool was run some very nice tournaments and had everyone involved in pool excited. For those of you who don't like KT I submit one question. Tell me one other person in pool who has put up so much of his own money for a tournament. Again I don't like or dislike KT since I have never met him and don't truly know his intentions. I would like to say I really wish the IPT success and hope to see more tournaments in the future.
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Some people are amoral opportunists, they take as much as they can from whomever they can and contribute only enough to achieve that end They are toxic to all they touch and usually pick the most needy and helpless victims that they can find.

While everyone is entitled to pick their own heros, personally, I don't think that these types are good for pool, or anything else that they are associated with.

Al Capone fed the poor on Thanksgiving, John Gotti paid for some great fireworks displays in Howard Beach on July 4th. And Jeffrey Dahmler was a very good son. So what?:rolleyes:

If you are really interested in KT's past and present Google him.

Jim
 
He's done some swindling in the past, but the failure of the IPT is not his fault; or at least he wasn't responsible for it's sudden and catastrophic failure. The IPT failed so fast because of gambling legislation that prohibited online gambling in America. This was the business model Trudeau was hoping to make money off of. Not IPT memberships, nor endoresements or TV deals (except maybe in the long run). It was online gambling.

If you take into consideration how much the IPT cost to run, air on TV, and pay out what is has, there's no way KT made any money off it. He didn't take the $2000 and stick it in his pocket like some make it out. The IPT has no money not because KT stole it all, but because the business model it was based on wasn't able to get off the ground.

jimmyg said:


Some people are amoral opportunists, they take as much as they can from whomever they can and contribute only enough to achieve that end They are toxic to all they touch and usually pick the most needy and helpless victims that they can find.

While everyone is entitled to pick their own heros, personally, I don't think that these types are good for pool, or anything else that they are associated with.

Al Capone fed the poor on Thanksgiving, John Gotti paid for some great fireworks displays in Howard Beach on July 4th. And Jeffrey Dahmler was a very good son. So what?:rolleyes:

If you are really interested in KT's past and present Google him.

Jim
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Let Them Eat Snake

"IPT - I am almost ready to give them another chance "
Roy Steffensen



I will alert the media at once.
Doug
( thanks for the 'heads up'................I am not so forgiving ) imo
 
almost ready to give them another chance?

pool sucks. anyone who puts any money into it should be openly welcomed by the entire comunity. :)
 
AZE said:
almost ready to give them another chance?

pool sucks. anyone who puts any money into it should be openly welcomed by the entire comunity. :)
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i agree....
 
Finally, somebody with a brain -- even if he is from NY

StevenPWaldon said:
He's done some swindling in the past, but the failure of the IPT is not his fault; or at least he wasn't responsible for it's sudden and catastrophic failure. The IPT failed so fast because of gambling legislation that prohibited online gambling in America. This was the business model Trudeau was hoping to make money off of. Not IPT memberships, nor endoresements or TV deals (except maybe in the long run). It was online gambling.
If you take into consideration how much the IPT cost to run, air on TV, and pay out what is has, there's no way KT made any money off it. He didn't take the $2000 and stick it in his pocket like some make it out. The IPT has no money not because KT stole it all, but because the business model it was based on wasn't able to get off the ground.
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Steve, you are the first guy to figure out the real deal and share it with the forum. It was all about the Chinese Billionaire buying the IPT and having internet pari-mutuel betting on pool matches, with KT keeping a smaller piece of the action. When they snuck that bill through banning internet gambling nationally, it queered the deal. Now since they are still playing poker in the US on Poker Stars and other sites, the interest is being rekindled. The story that he planned on screwing everybody from the beginning would only make sense to a moron. That anybody would invest a couple million in front to try to take off the pool world is the real oxymoron.

the Beard
 
I guess we all have a different morality. The man was a proven liar and con man and ran true to form in what transpired with the first incarnation of the IPT. Why anybody would get back into bed with him is beyond me, but we all must make our own choices, and live with them. If I never heard his name again, it wouldn't bother me one iota.

I hesitate to say this, but I guess some people would take up with the devil, if they saw a chance to enrich themselves. Just doesn't work for me though. I have a problem. It's called conscience.
 
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jay helfert said:
I guess we all have a different morality. The man was a proven liar and con man and ran true to form in what transpired with the first incarnation of the IPT. Why anybody would get back into bed with him is beyond me, but we all must make our own choices, and live with them. If I never heard his name again, it wouldn't bother me one iota.

I hesitate to say this, but I guess some people would take up with the devil, if they saw a chance to enrich themselves. Just doesn't work for me though. I have a problem. It's called conscience.
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I have the same problem and I understand this point of your's ....... up to a point.

If this really is so, it makes me wonder why we are all so hyped up at the autumn as there's US Open coming. Isn't BB also convicted man and isn't he still owing money to some players? I think he is. At last years Open, he promised xx-amount of prize money to be paid. He paid to the first and to the second what he promised, but almost from everyone else he snapped about 20% off (this is estimate, not a fact, but might be more), and NOBODY SAID A SINGLE WORD. I remember after the tournament as somebody asked about the prize money, the info which was given in here, matched the promise, but not the real payments.
I know there has been condition, that if the field is full the prize money would be like that, but the field was almost full and the payments were listed on the wall for many days. Only at the final days it was changed.
Why I'm telling this, is just to show you, that if we can forgive, we all have much more fun. BB hasn't killed anybody (at least that I know) and he hasn't robbed any player with gun or anything like that. He has organized the Opens now for about 32 yrs and if we would wait him to be saint, what would we have in return? No Opens?
KT is maybe bigger con man than BB, but I doubt he has killed anyone either. About as much as his vices are bigger, his tournaments are also.

Jay, I think your example about Devil is little bit over exaggerated here. I wouldn't dance with Devil no matter what he'd promise, but at this point - and trust me I also have conscience - I definitely would attend an IPT tournament. We don't have much choice, and if you look around, poolworld is full of hustlers etc. Kevin is little bit bigger one (ok, maybe quite much bigger one), but so is his effort also. And we don't have to eat from his hands or anything - we just should put it to right kind of perspective, as related to his 'sins', his effort, and the situation of the poolworld overall (the prizes in poolworld, the credibilty of the poolworld, etc...
 
Jay, are you born again?

jay helfert said:
I guess we all have a different morality. The man was a proven liar and con man and ran true to form in what transpired with the first incarnation of the IPT. Why anybody would get back into bed with him is beyond me, but we all must make our own choices, and live with them. If I never heard his name again, it wouldn't bother me one iota.

I hesitate to say this, but I guess some people would take up with the devil, if they saw a chance to enrich themselves. Just doesn't work for me though. I have a problem. It's called conscience.
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Jay, your whole life, you, like me, hung around with the most notorious, treacherous, pool hustlers and con men in the country. Guys like Lenny Moore, for chrisake. Lenny Moore, a man so treacherous that they made a movie about him ("Casino" -- James Woods played him) How about Rudy Oliver and Superstroke? Those guys would eat KT alive. For some reason this KT gets under your skin. Do you realize if they somehow had videotape of some of yours and my escapades how much time we would be eligible for? I'll say it again, listen to the Beard. I'll get you a seat at the next match in Mar.-- if you convert and swear allegiance.

the Beard
 
freddy the beard said:
Jay, your whole life, you, like me, hung around with the most notorious, treacherous, pool hustlers and con men in the country. Guys like Lenny Moore, for chrisake. Lenny Moore, a man so treacherous that they made a movie about him ("Casino" -- James Woods played him) How about Rudy Oliver and Superstroke? Those guys would eat KT alive. For some reason this KT gets under your skin. Do you realize if they somehow had videotape of some of yours and my escapades how much time we would be eligible for? I'll say it again, listen to the Beard. I'll get you a seat at the next match in Mar.-- if you convert and swear allegiance.

the Beard
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This is quite much what I meant, I just don't know so many examples. I also feel, that Jay has something 'special' against KT, but from the poolworld around you Jay, you could easily find guys worse than KT is..
Jay, we need you. Roy is forgiving now, can you at least consider it also.... please... ;)
 
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