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Timberly
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LOL, we don't agree often but I'm right there with you on this one. I was trying to read his post and the whole time, all I could think about was, I've got to put this guy on ignore."macguy said:
IPT Jeopardizes 2006 US Open 9-Ball
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macguy said:
Every player on the tour in 2007 will be guaranteed to earn at least $100,000. Doesn't sound like a bad deal to me.
You sound like a person who is very negative. Almost like you are hoping the IPT fails. And you really do not want the players to find success. Do you ever have any positive thoughts?
The next two weeks there will be two more qualifiers. Four more players will be on board. Four more players who believe in the IPT. And of course more money brought in to the IPT.
Then next month the last qualifier will bring in the final two players. Then they will all be ready for the first tournament in July.
That tournament should prove to be exceptional. With a lot of tough matches with a lot on the line for every player during each match. It will be serious pool with all that money at stake.
It will happen and I look forward to it. I hope you do too.
Jake
jjinfla said:
Actually we wont be, I believe there will be 25 MORE qualifiers to find the 50 "open" spots and raise some more cash for the IPT and its chosen players.
As a fan Im very much looking forward to it, the events so far looked fantastic! I aslo think the Vegas hotels he has chosen in particular are fantastic, players will do well to break even with the 13k but still MUCH better than life before the IPT.
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Timberly
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LMAO, you got that right!TheOne said:
jjinfla said:
He just threw that number out there on the spur of the moment during the meeting I believe and there is no commitment to it. It was based on his pie in the sky marketing for all kinds of products. Cues, chalk, cloth and it sounded like to make the money they will be selling it from the trunks of their cars. Truth is of the first roster only a few are even remotely capable of winning the big money. Some may make a little more money then they may have ever expected playing pool but by no means is it a career move. They are playing round robin, there is very little luck. I would expect to see the same names at the top of every tournament as well as the same names at the bottom. I think some of these players may just drop out once they get a dose of reality and not even waste the travel costs as well as the embarrassment of being nothing more then a "bye" on the board.
If they were real "open" tournaments with those kinds of prize funds, you could get real players to pay $2000 to play in every tournament and he wouldn't have to be promising them anything he could own the whole thing, market it however he wanted, go nuts make hundred million if he could I would love it and be at every tournament I could make. This thing with his hand picked stable of players is just not too exciting and except if you are there in person or buy the DVD's, what they have planed for TV will not be very watchable based on what they have been saying. I don't expect to ever see any actual tournaments on TV other then a montage of highlights between commercials for his book.
I will make a prediction and here it is. He will do this for a year or two and you will see the thousands of hours of matches he will have in the can on his paid TV time infomercials for years to come after he has folded the tour with none of the players being compensated.
By the way I have to go up to the panhandle in a few days to see about some property, where in your area is there a good place to play? I may stop there for a day and look a something in Ocala as well, I think you are in that area.
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Nobody wants the IPT to fail,we just want it to be considerate and work with other major events that were scheduled well ahead of there's. After this year and the ipt tour sets there schedules then the other events will work around them but they really didnt have to do what they have done.As far as the ipt taking pool to a new level,thats all been tried before and failed,only time will tell and I hope KT is sucscessful. I HOPE THEY HAVE A SHOT CLOCK BECAUSE I"M TIRED OF ALL THESE PRO PLAYERS TRYING EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO SET EARL OFF!!!
Nobody wants the IPT to fail,we just want it to be considerate and work with other major events that were scheduled well ahead of there's. After this year and the ipt tour sets there schedules then the other events will work around them but they really didnt have to do what they have done.As far as the ipt taking pool to a new level,thats all been tried before and failed,only time will tell and I hope KT is sucscessful. I HOPE THEY HAVE A SHOT CLOCK BECAUSE I"M TIRED OF ALL THESE PRO PLAYERS TRYING EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO SET EARL OFF!!!
You're saying this as if this a bad thing, that the more worthy players will win the most money while the less worthy players will not. Okay, maybe you're trying to sympathize with the people that will be at the bottom of the barrel at each IPT tournament, but you think they will fair better oustide the IPT?...when last place wins you a big zero? At least the IPT guarantees you prize money for last place, even if you don't win a single rack. I don't know what argument you're trying to make here.macguy said:
jsp said:
Not being open tournaments they have a poor representation of top players and on top of that, they hand picked them. Some of those people are little better then good local players. If this is to be a product and they are the product, it is lousy. They will have so many lop sided matches many will be painful just to watch. There is nothing wrong with the cream rising to the top, that is as it should be, but there are enough top players on this planet how the heck did they end up with that roster is beyond me.
What can I say, till they start playing tournaments and with only one scheduled in the next eight months this stuff is about all we have to talk about. It would be nice to be discussing the matches so till they ever play a match this BS is about it. If not for me and a few others it would be nothing but a kissing feast for KT and a mutual admiration society of IPT players and fans, heck Bernie wants to have his baby. At least this is some food for thought and something to disscuss.
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8-ball bernie said:
The IPT is stomping all over one of the oldest traditions in pool, the US Open. It seems abusive that the IPT is not content to run the largest tournaments in the world, no they have to also try damage other competing events, even those with the history and prestige of the US Open. You would have to be a fool to believe that this scheduling conflict was accidental.
Something has to give though, because both events cannot go on at the same time and its pretty obvious which tournament players would choose. To run both at the same time would damage the US Open as any US Open title achieved in 2006 with the IPT players all off on the other side of the country would be a win for the books with an asterick.
**Won title with the vast majority of the top players absent.
Kt
Read all about the king of pool now at this website,and we thought barry was bad
http://www.programcritique.com/subc...in trudeau&OVKEY=kevin trudeau&OVMTC=standard
And this one from 20/20
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Health/story?id=1527774
Read all about the king of pool now at this website,and we thought barry was bad
http://www.programcritique.com/subc...in trudeau&OVKEY=kevin trudeau&OVMTC=standard
And this one from 20/20
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Health/story?id=1527774
BCN has a conflict of interest posting this... They will lose cash..
For years people complained about no money in pool and how come pool can't be a big business like the other sports. This is how business operates...
When a lowes moves in right next to Homedepot, do you think Lowes wants Home Depot to survive? Should they look out for them? Why would they? They are in business just like the IPT.
Everybody seems to forget the business side and thinks everybody is in pool for the sake of the game...
Find me one promoter who does not wish their events to be powerful and leading the world. Those who say they don't, lie. They are just not poweful enough to flex any muscles. However, they ALL would do it if a crystal ball told them it would ensure their tour as the NFL of pool... ALL OF THEM.
Idealism has no real place in the "real world" and certainly not in business or pool.
All you people who think KT is doing things the wrong way are fools. Ignorant fools who know nothing of, or refuse to recognize, how the world works.
For years people complained about no money in pool and how come pool can't be a big business like the other sports. This is how business operates...
When a lowes moves in right next to Homedepot, do you think Lowes wants Home Depot to survive? Should they look out for them? Why would they? They are in business just like the IPT.
Everybody seems to forget the business side and thinks everybody is in pool for the sake of the game...
Find me one promoter who does not wish their events to be powerful and leading the world. Those who say they don't, lie. They are just not poweful enough to flex any muscles. However, they ALL would do it if a crystal ball told them it would ensure their tour as the NFL of pool... ALL OF THEM.
Idealism has no real place in the "real world" and certainly not in business or pool.
All you people who think KT is doing things the wrong way are fools. Ignorant fools who know nothing of, or refuse to recognize, how the world works.
O
onepocketchump
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All I have to say about this is that sometimes bullies get bullied. It's karma.
Did Mika Immonen ever get paid what he owed by Barry Behrman or is he still banned from the event for the egregious offense of asking for the money he was owed?
At the moment there is a new 800lb gorilla on the block. You don't ask the gorilla to accomodate you you move out of the way when he comes around.
Pool has a rich heritage to be sure. What I find incredibly funny though is that throughout the last 10 years there have been literally hundreds of threads about the "pathetic state" of pro pool and thousands of ideas bandied about as to what the solution is. One of those that was most prevalent is that pool needed a rich benefactor. Now it has one and some of you are *****ing.
The BCA, the WPA, the US Open (which isn't open by the way), the UPA and everyone else has had plenty of time to make pool BIG. Not only have they not done it, they have done such a poor job of it that the professional players are only too happy to sign up with the IPT and forgo the classic tournaments which have been so successful at paying their bills until now.
Yep, the IPT is a bully. That sucks. So far however, they have delivered more than they have promised in the time that they have promised it. Who knows if the conflicts are deliberate? Maybe so, maybe not. What is true though is that when an entity such as the IPT comes on the scene all smaller events have to plan around them. And that's just a reality check.
John
Did Mika Immonen ever get paid what he owed by Barry Behrman or is he still banned from the event for the egregious offense of asking for the money he was owed?
At the moment there is a new 800lb gorilla on the block. You don't ask the gorilla to accomodate you you move out of the way when he comes around.
Pool has a rich heritage to be sure. What I find incredibly funny though is that throughout the last 10 years there have been literally hundreds of threads about the "pathetic state" of pro pool and thousands of ideas bandied about as to what the solution is. One of those that was most prevalent is that pool needed a rich benefactor. Now it has one and some of you are *****ing.
The BCA, the WPA, the US Open (which isn't open by the way), the UPA and everyone else has had plenty of time to make pool BIG. Not only have they not done it, they have done such a poor job of it that the professional players are only too happy to sign up with the IPT and forgo the classic tournaments which have been so successful at paying their bills until now.
Yep, the IPT is a bully. That sucks. So far however, they have delivered more than they have promised in the time that they have promised it. Who knows if the conflicts are deliberate? Maybe so, maybe not. What is true though is that when an entity such as the IPT comes on the scene all smaller events have to plan around them. And that's just a reality check.
John
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onepocketchump
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cuedoctor said:Read all about the king of pool now at this website,and we thought barry was bad
http://www.programcritique.com/subc...in trudeau&OVKEY=kevin trudeau&OVMTC=standard
And this one from 20/20
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Health/story?id=1527774
Two days ago I was in the pharmacy picking up a prescription for my roomate and while I was waiting I started thumbing through a book by a doctor (an MD) advocating a healthy lifestyle. Almost every chapter was full of the same information as contained in Natural Cures. I found it quite interesting that a practicing MD (according to the information in the book) was espousing the very things that a lot of you are villifying.
Maybe 20/20's piece wasn't flattering to Kevin but their network doesn't have any problems taking his money to carry his infomercials. Where is 20/20 to protect us from all the rest of the health scams out there? Why isn't the mainstream media doing 24/7 education of the public to the phony offers out there? Because those advertising dollars PAY THE BILLS and corporate America as a whole exists for ONE REASON only - to seperate SUCKERS from their money. Do you think AT&T cares about you? Do you think Pfizer cares about you? Do you think 20/20 cares whether you live or die? Of course they don't.
While some of you on your moral pedestal are out denouncing Kevin the CEO's of the companies you work for are plundering your retirement accounts and enriching themselves while their employees struggle to make ends meet in the face of lower pay, lower benefits, and constant scamming by corporate America. Spend your energy making a better world.
John
1 pocket mike
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even the bashers of the IPT organizers at least from time to time have mentioned positives concerning the IPT. I'd really really like to know what the positives are of these small, meaningless tours that currently exist. take for example Viking Tour. How does that tour benefit the average pool player? because they'll be to a neighborhood somewhat close to you sometime soon to bring a strong field of players? sure as a fan that's great. So what we've got so far is MJ benefitting, and local fans to where they're locating themselves that particular weekend benefitting. And the Shawn Putnam's that had absolutely no where else to play that week. that's 2 individuals and local fans. i'm getting hard pressed to find any other beneficiaries for the players of his tour. or any other tour that currently exists in the US anyway. the general consensus that i'm seeing is a typical pool player, or pool sideliner that does nothing but bash anything that is talked about, no matter the topic. I have yet to see a Foldes, Breedlove, Bennett, Hemmah, Engert, Hernandez, Piazza, Green, Jeanette, etc etc etc bash what the IPT is doing, or heard anything close to that. As a matter of fact, word is Breedlove won't work his job until he gets his card. sounds like a man that doesn't believe in what's going on huh. and he's surely a man that has no clue what is to occur with the IPT in the future huh. come on people, you're all bashers because it's your nature. You've all been taken advantage of so long you wouldn't see a good thing if the "IPT BOMB" landed on you personally. maybe just the indiana and california contingent are the only ones with the heart to just go out and get what they want. I know one thing for sure, more indiana guys will be at sacramento, and the cali guys will as well. and they'll be at chelmsford, etc after that, and etc. know what i mean? the definition of chasing a dream to these select individuals does not contain blaming, quitting, or critiquing any soul that calls themselves a member of the IPT, or organizers of the IPT. all i hear is that they'll prove themselves to be IPT material, or they'll just keep signing up for the next qualifiers. Thank you for wasting my time reading your tiresome posts. as a matter of fact lets get a new thread going. lets say........................will vegas have a line on the July 22nd tournament? now we've got good conversation. LOL
cuedoctor said:Read all about the king of pool now at this website,and we thought barry was bad
http://www.programcritique.com/subc...in trudeau&OVKEY=kevin trudeau&OVMTC=standard
And this one from 20/20
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Health/story?id=1527774
Good info, Doc. After reading the 20/20 stuff, I would trust KT about as far as I could kick an anvil. I've got a book titled "Gamblers, Grifters and Good Ol' Boys" by Bob Mason. Bob, if you're on here, you've got a perfect candidate for chapter 48 if you do an updated revision. Caveat emptor.
cueball1950 said:
Hi, Mike!
What a mouthful. I always read your posts, but this one was a wee bit difficult because of no paragraphing. However, I hear you loud and clear and understand what you are saying. Nobody likes to see the U.S. Open in this predicament. I know I sure don't.
It is easy to pass judgment on Kevin Trudeau because of the media spiel. Maybe it's because I'm from D.C., but I don't have a very high regard for the media. They're like sharks. When they see blood, they go after it, i.e., Clinton-Lewinsky affair, Bush vs. Gore Florida debacle, and the list goes on and on.
I do pass judgment when I see things with my own eyeballs. I heard the man speak. I listened to his vision. I experienced pool in all its glory in Orlando, the BIGGEST-PAYING pool event in the history of pool. I talked with many of the current IPT members. I can only go by how I am treated, and the IPT has given me optimism, something I have not had in quite some time because of the current state of affairs here in the States as it pertains to professional-caliber players.
With the IPT, the players are going to benefit immensely. If the IPT brings pool to a new plateau, we will all see better things down the road. Industry members will reap the financial rewards. The pool media will be happy when their subscriptions sell like hotcakes. Cue-makers will be filling orders left and right. But most of all, Mike, the players will earn a decent living. It will change their lives.
I understand your loyalty to those in our industry who have certainly traveled the bumpy roads to where we are today, but in the long run, I believe they too will enjoy a newfound popularity. The sport will grow, and this is a good thing.
JAM
Cueball1950,
A couple of responses to your queries.
Regarding the book, the topic has been discussed in greater detail in other threads here. To summarize my own opinion on it, it is similar to many natural remedy books in content, just marketed better. Consider that Iatrogenic causes of death (that is death through medical error) is in the top few causes of death in the US. There will be deaths from all attempted remedies. I believe people should be free to seek whatever advice they want, and make their best decision based on what they know. That they should not take their doctor's advice as necessarily the best advice. Many doctors have written books saying the same thing and warning of the danger or so-called accepted medical treatments.
Regarding how will KT pay the expenses: Think tables, cues, dvd's, television broadcast rights, exposure of his Natural Cures brand, qualifiers. He knows how to sell products and his production companies have made good money before selling TV content. With high rating content he could quickly dominate the table and cue business and establish a considerable dvd business that would dwarf accustats. With ratings success, all these revenue channels could amount to over 100 million per year. More than enough to run the tour.
There is a Q+A section and articles on the IPT website that discuss these things. Also a TV promo that gives an idea of the quality of the content being produced.
A couple of responses to your queries.
Regarding the book, the topic has been discussed in greater detail in other threads here. To summarize my own opinion on it, it is similar to many natural remedy books in content, just marketed better. Consider that Iatrogenic causes of death (that is death through medical error) is in the top few causes of death in the US. There will be deaths from all attempted remedies. I believe people should be free to seek whatever advice they want, and make their best decision based on what they know. That they should not take their doctor's advice as necessarily the best advice. Many doctors have written books saying the same thing and warning of the danger or so-called accepted medical treatments.
Regarding how will KT pay the expenses: Think tables, cues, dvd's, television broadcast rights, exposure of his Natural Cures brand, qualifiers. He knows how to sell products and his production companies have made good money before selling TV content. With high rating content he could quickly dominate the table and cue business and establish a considerable dvd business that would dwarf accustats. With ratings success, all these revenue channels could amount to over 100 million per year. More than enough to run the tour.
There is a Q+A section and articles on the IPT website that discuss these things. Also a TV promo that gives an idea of the quality of the content being produced.
Colin Colenso said:
Colin,
I disagree with you completely. I have diabetes, Parkinson's Disease and I have had cancer. While I have not always agreed with my doctors on every occasion, I have avoided being so arrogant as to say that I know more than they do. I don't, and neither does Kevin. Here are some links for you to read about what other people (non IPT affiliated) are saying about his book:
http://www.infomercialwatch.org/tran/trudeau.shtml
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9006287/
http://consumeraffairs.com/health/trudeau.html
http://www.infomercialwatch.org/reports/nycpb.shtml
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/22/AR2005102201272.html
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Here is my favorite part from this article -
'Endorsement' from dead FDA official
The New York state board published a litany of similar complaints about the book in its press release. But agency officials agree Trudeau has the right to write whatever he wants in a book. Legally, the agency is attacking what it calls unfair advertising.
But for each complaint, Trudeau's lawyers offer an answer.
For example, the agency cites what it calls a book jacket endorsement from Dr. Herbert Ley, a former commissioner of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. But, the agency notes, Ley could not have endorsed or even read Trudeau’s book because he died in 2001 — about three years before the book's release.
Bradford said the quote on the back of the book jacket was not meant to indicate Ley endorsed the book. "I don't think it's fair to say that's an endorsement of the book," he said. "There's no suggestion that this individual read the book or endorsed the book."
Though we should be free to seek whatever advice we want, we should also be free of this material that is coming from "mysterious secret studies", is grossly misleading, is inaccurate and unproven.
I am not part of a gov't conspiracy. I found this information on the internet, and I have also got a copy of his book and I have read most of it. I found these articles on the internet by doing a simple Google search of the book title, the word 'fraud", and the author's name. This was only what I found on pages one and two of over 225,000 results. Excuse my skepticism.
Blackjack said:
I have read many similar articles. I've read the the pros and cons.
In fact I've read more on nutrition and natural cures that 99.9% of accredited doctors.
So I believe, in most situations where medical advice is normally sought, that my own advice is better than that of any local GP.
For certain conditions I would seek other advice. But I steer clear of doctors as much as possible, except on the pool table or golf course.
I believe KT's book encourages many to begin a quest to learn more about governing their own health, and that to me is a good thing.
I'm yet to find a single book on health that I agreed entirely with, and so I'm sure there are recommendations in Natural Cures with which I'd disagree.
By chance I met a guy a few days ago who had recently purchased and read the book, and was full of praise for it. His eyes had been opened he told me, and he was now motivated to eat better and live a healthier lifestyle. For many, I'm sure his book has very positive effects.
Of course he will have powerful enemies trying to discredit every questionable claim. The book is having a considerate impact on the legitamacy of the status quo, the medico-pharmo-media-government complex. And for those who don't think there is conspiring, then you must have a grade school level understanding of what a conspiracy actually is and how it works. The history of this complex is well known and documented. It doesn't require that doctors are in on it. It is a system which flows naturally out of the dynamics of the economic incentives within a government protected monopoly.
<adjusts tin foil hat and signs off>