IPT Players Uniting!?

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I am hearing that the top UPA and WPBA players are looking into forming a committee of sorts. From what I understand, it will be IPT players only, but I think their idea is to then join with others who already have started various balls rolling. (I would assume RG, etc)

I expect this to come together within the next couple days, but from what I am hearing these players are not accepting anything less than what they are owed.

I will let everyone know more as soon as I do.

Mike
 
AzHousePro said:
I am hearing that the top UPA and WPBA players are looking into forming a committee of sorts. From what I understand, it will be IPT players only, but I think their idea is to then join with others who already have started various balls rolling. (I would assume RG, etc)

I expect this to come together within the next couple days, but from what I am hearing these players are not accepting anything less than what they are owed.

I will let everyone know more as soon as I do.

Mike

Yes, it is happening. Also, those in the top 100 will not only be looking at their money from Reno owed but the $100k promised them for next year.

What would happen if we all individually sent the IPT a past due invoice for the full amount owed each player? A lot of us have set ourselves up as a business playing pool, so why couldn't we invoice? Then after however long, we send the IPT to the collection agency??
 
rackmsuckr said:
What would happen if we all individually sent the IPT a past due invoice for the full amount owed each player? A lot of us have set ourselves up as a business playing pool, so why couldn't we invoice? Then after however long, we send the IPT to the collection agency??

It might not be a bad idea but I would refrain from posting ideas that you are seriously considering taking action on. No need to tip the IPT off as to what might be coming their way and give them time to safeguard themselves against such actions. My advice probably isn't worth a nickle since I have no legal experience. However, it seems logical to me. :)
 
Jimmy M. said:
It might not be a bad idea but I would refrain from posting ideas that you are seriously considering taking action on. No need to tip the IPT off as to what might be coming their way and give them time to safeguard themselves against such actions. My advice probably isn't worth a nickle since I have no legal experience. However, it seems logical to me. :)

Well, the thought just came to me after someone else mentioned a collection agency, and I thought it would be a good idea to get some feedback on. I think the way it is going to be handled is with stealth...there will be so many incoming theories on what everyone is going to do, that it will come out of nowhere when it is least expected.....
 
rackmsuckr said:
Well, the thought just came to me after someone else mentioned a collection agency, and I thought it would be a good idea to get some feedback on. I think the way it is going to be handled is with stealth...there will be so many incoming theories on what everyone is going to do, that it will come out of nowhere when it is least expected.....

The guts of what will be happening will be behind closed screens :)
 
I wouldn't be surprised if Gerda Hofstatter was a big part of this. Smart lady. Johnnyt
 
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Johnnyt said:
I wouldn't be surprised if Gerda Hofstatter was a big part of this. Smart lady. Johnnyt
I think there's a few players that are leading this on. The one I was talking to last night seems to be an unofficial go to guy for some players. LOL, I could hardly talk to him because he kept getting phone calls & emails were coming in....

I know he's a huge proponent of NOT taking the money and insisting on full payment. We were on the phone last night when I made the post about all the players had RG's email and I was encouraging the players to unite. He thought that he could get the players on board. I believe he and a handful of others (vocal, leader types) are going to be able to rally everyone together.

I'm very glad to wake up and see this thread. This is great news. Keep it up guys! Remember, strength in numbers.
 
Timberly said:
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I think there's a few players that are leading this on. The one I was talking to last night seems to be an unofficial go to guy for some players. LOL, I could hardly talk to him because he kept getting phone calls & emails were coming in....

I know he's a huge proponent of NOT taking the money and insisting on full payment. We were on the phone last night when I made the post about all the players had RG's email and I was encouraging the players to unite. He thought that he could get the players on board. I believe he and a handful of others (vocal, leader types) are going to be able to rally everyone together.

I'm very glad to wake up and see this thread. This is great news. Keep it up guys! Remember, strength in numbers.

Timberly,

I am curious about your thoughts of Jims' post here:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=45350

Seems to make logical sense.
 
shanesinnott said:
Timberly,

I am curious about your thoughts of Jims' post here:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=45350

Seems to make logical sense.
It does make a lot of sense and he's certainly more well versed in these matters than I am.

Honestly, all I want is for the players to get good, solid, legal advice before they make their decision. If the lawyers tell them to take it, then by all means take it.

I just want them to know their options and be informed to make the best decision possible.
 
Timberly said:
It does make a lot of sense and he's certainly more well versed in these matters than I am.

Honestly, all I want is for the players to get good, solid, legal advice before they make their decision. If the lawyers tell them to take it, then by all means take it.

I just want them to know their options and be informed to make the best decision possible.

I think we all want what's best for the players also. I just asked as your Avatar and the phrase under your name both basically send the message of 'don't accept the offer' which based on Jims' post in his thread I mentioned, may not be the best advice.

Maybe change it to talk to an attorney and the other players before you make a decision.

I am curious if you/we know how many of the 200 players from Reno are following this forum and are aware of posts and valuable information such as the one from Jim and many of yours? If only say 50 of the 200 follow the forum, I hope that the remaining 150 are emailed some of the GOOD advice that comes from the IPT discussions.
 
shanesinnott said:
I think we all want what's best for the players also. I just asked as your Avatar and the phrase under your name both basically send the message of 'don't accept the offer' which based on Jims' post in his thread I mentioned, may not be the best advice.

Maybe change it to talk to an attorney and the other players before you make a decision.

I am curious if you/we know how many of the 200 players from Reno are following this forum and are aware of posts and valuable information such as the one from Jim and many of yours? If only say 50 of the 200 follow the forum, I hope that the remaining 150 are emailed some of the GOOD advice that comes from the IPT discussions.
In my signature all I'm doing is asking the players to seek legal advice (preferrably as a group) so that they can educate themselves enough to make an informed decision. The avatar is more black & white because it's just one word and doesn't exactly express my opinion other than last night when this broke loose and info was coming in from everywhere.

I just wanted to get peoples attention and ask them to not make a rash decision. Stop, think, learn, then decide. That's all I'm asking them to do...
 
Timberly said:
In my signature all I'm doing is asking the players to seek legal advice (preferrably as a group) so that they can educate themselves enough to make an informed decision. The avatar is more black & white because it's just one word and doesn't exactly express my opinion other than last night when this broke loose and info was coming in from everywhere.

I just wanted to get peoples attention and ask them to not make a rash decision. Stop, think, learn, then decide. That's all I'm asking them to do...

Timberly,

I meant under your name (above your Avatar) it says "Do not accept offer" That is a pretty clear statement along with your Avatar which says 'Reject' (meaning the offer I presume) all I am saying is that this may not be the best advice. I think as you correctly pointed out regarding your signature, the best advice is to not accept OR reject the offer until getting legal advice.

You are just sending a mixed message IMO
 
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shanesinnott said:
Timberly,

I meant under your name (above your Avatar) it says "Do not accept offer" That is a pretty clear statement along with your Avatar which says 'Reject' (meaning the offer I presume) all I am saying is that this may not be the best advice. I think as you correctly pointed out regarding your signature, the best advice is to not not accpet OR reject the offer until getting legalk advice.

You are just sending a mixed message IMO
Last night I was simply trying to get the word out for the players to STOP. Don't do anything yet... that was a quick way to say it.

I just woke up 15 min ago... I would've changed things today anyway to reflect the mood and the news of the day. I just woke up 15 min ago, give a girl some time. Are you a little more satisfied with it now?
 
Timberly said:
Last night I was simply trying to get the word out for the players to STOP. Don't do anything yet... that was a quick way to say it.

I just woke up 15 min ago... I would've changed things today anyway to reflect the mood and the news of the day. I just woke up 15 min ago, give a girl some time. Are you a little more satisfied with it now?

I am. Thank you.
 
shanesinnott said:
I am. Thank you.
Now that you're happy. ;) Let's get back to what the real problem is...

I just got a phone call from the person that I mentioned in my first post earlier... the player that I talked to and the one that is trying to rally all the players. His point was "why not tell the players to "reject" and demand full payment?

He saw Jim's post and basically said "so what." His reason for saying that is this.... The few times they have been communicated to, they've been lied to. Up until yesterday, they were going to be paid in full... what happened?

First KT tells them the tour is fully funded, then he doesn't pay and later blames it on the Ho deal. During this time, he's still making announcements that the players are going to be paid in full. There was never any mention that the tour was in trouble, that KT was broke, or that the tour was going to file bankruptcy. All they've heard is "you're going to get paid in full" and then out of the blue they're told they're going to get a third. Why? What happened, why are they all of the sudden being offered a third?

His belief, as is mine, is that KT has it but doesn't want to pay it, even though he stated that he would fund the tour with his own money for 2 years. We believe KT has the money, he just doesn't want to part with it.

Players are being told they'll get a third and that the tour will continue on a lesser scale. Why should they believe that? I believe they'll get a third and the IPT will close up shop. He can say that he legally settled his debts with this endeavor and will not be held accountable for the rest of the money. He will then go on to make millions on his weight loss book because America is fat. They're desperate not to be fat but too lazy to do anything about it. His new book will surely tout something they can do with little to no effort to lose weight. Just like the natural cures book was a scam but he made millions off of it.

All he is trying to do is get out as cheaply a he can and be done with this. He's not stupid and this isn't his first rodeo. He knows the system and how to work it. The players do not. If the players opt not to accept this offer (reject) and get legal advice, they might just learn that they can in fact get all of their money by pursuing this. Or, they could learn that they're better off accepting the offer.

The fact of the matter is that they should reject until they are well informed of all the options. To date, the only options they've had is whatever KT was willing to give them. They now know that he's lied to them and mislead them. It's up to them to stop listening to him because he only speaks of what is in KT's best interest only. He's certainly not going to tell them if there's a way for them to collect their full payment. if anything, the fact that he's doing this leads me to believe that there is a way for them to collect the full amount and he's doing everything he can to stop it before they figure this out and it happens. JMO
 
I would think that ALL the players have read or got e-mails to GET A LAWYER by now. No need to keep saying it in 5 threads and in 100 ways.Johnnyt
 
Johnnyt said:
I wouldn't be surprised if Gerda Hofstatter was a big part of this. Smart lady. Johnnyt

Timberly said:
I think there's a few players that are leading this on. The one I was talking to last night seems to be an unofficial go to guy for some players. LOL, I could hardly talk to him because he kept getting phone calls & emails were coming in....
Just got a phone call from one of the players that wanted everyone to know that there are numerous top players putting this together. It's not just one or two people.

In regards to the cost of lawyers to get full payment vs settling... what if they were to get a group of lawyers to do this for free?

What if the lawyers sue for all the issues involved (ie promised 2007 earnings, bonus from DVD sales, etc) and were able to collect MORE than just the 3 million from Reno?

Seems KT would've figured out that paying the 3 mil would be cheaper than the court costs he's going to have to pay... LOL, maybe he's not as smart as we've given him credit for?

I think that 20/20 would be very interested in hearing from a collective group of 50 to 200 players about this matter since they did a piece on KT just as the IPT was starting. This would make for a great follow up story. As much as the government has a hard on for KT, I'm sure they would be interested in this story too and what better way to get their attention than with a nice, national news story on 20/20 with all the players there waiting to tell their side.


The players that have been silent lately are now fed up and all of us, KT included will be hearing a lot from them.


I was one of the people that said it was going to be difficult as all get out to get all the players together. From the phone calls I'm getting... they're making a liar out of me, and that's just fine. ;) I think the players are going to surprise us all in the next coming days with their resolve and ability to band together.

Offering the players a third... KT, you just slapped the wrong people in the face one too many times.
 
The problem I am seeing is the form of communication. Currently, the email list that started around with this last salvo, has 17 dead emails and some people aren't even on that list, so a good percentage aren't getting them. This morning, I am weeding out and comparing to my original email list.

Another point is that Sigel, among others on the list, are capable of just turning around and offering up the info back to the IPT. The women, being 15
of us, (16 counting Jasmin) we can call each other to stay in touch, but the men have the daunting task of organizing the rest PLUS the qualifiers. I don't see phone communication as being practical.

Anyone have any suggestions on that?
 
Linda,
How about posting to a few of the *trusted* email addresses a list of names of the players that you know of that have not been in touch. That way, if we know how to reach any of them we could then each make an effort to get the info out to them. I think most of the players who have anything to gain/lose are keeping apprised (sp?) of the situation and hopefully it won't be hard to contact them. Instead of one person (you) or Edyie having to do all of the footwork, lets "share the wealth" (and I use the term loosely).
 
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