IQ and its relation to progression

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obclassicut

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Two players have the same experience in pocket billiards which is none, One has double the IQ of the other player. They both go on the same practice regimen for one year: By how much would the progression of the higher IQ player exceed the others if the both had the same desire to improve?
Maybe this question cant be accurately answered or have any relevance to most of us but input is still appreciated.:)
 
obclassicut said:
Two players have the same experience in pocket billiards which is none, One has double the IQ of the other player. They both go on the same practice regimen for one year: By how much would the progression of the higher IQ player exceed the others if the both had the same desire to improve?
Maybe this question cant be accurately answered or have any relevance to most of us but input is still appreciated.:)
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why are you so sure that the higher IQ player would progress more???
Also, it's a known fact that you can train your IQ and make it higher also.
 
madmiller said:
why are you so sure that the higher IQ player would progress more???
Also, it's a known fact that you can train your IQ and make it higher also.
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Agreed. Additionally -- with certain people -- there's a such thing as "too smart for their own good." Meaning, these people are self-aware of their higher IQ status, and instead of recognizing where their skills / information sources fall short, they think the higher IQ is an all-compassing "hammer" and everything looks like a nail.

There's the old saying, "you don't know what you don't know." The higher IQ but with feet firmly on terra firma will almost always go farther than the higher IQ person who's a megalomaniac. There are a few exceptions, where an inordinate amount of talent offset the scales of course. But the person that is RESOURCEFUL (i.e. knows that he/she doesn't have the answer, but knows other people / other places to get it) has the advantage.

Boil it down to one word? Pride. Pride can be DEADLY -- in a negative way.

IMHO,
-Sean
 
obclassicut said:
Two players have the same experience in pocket billiards which is none, One has double the IQ of the other player. They both go on the same practice regimen for one year: By how much would the progression of the higher IQ player exceed the others if the both had the same desire to improve?
Maybe this question cant be accurately answered or have any relevance to most of us but input is still appreciated.:)
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I don't think it's a given that the higher IQ player would do better. Maybe a lower IQ helps with focus. Maybe it depends more on other things.

I do believe that intelligence is generally an advantage, but there are different kinds of intelligence and intelligence isn't the whole enchilada.

pj
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The way you've worded the question indicates that you believe the higher IQ would progress faster. I'm not so sure as I can argue for both sides of this.

A person with a higher IQ, theoretically, would be able to understand that there are more ways to miss a ball and, as a result, might entertain more negative thoughts than the person with a lower IQ. Consequently, they would improve at a slower rate.

On the other hand, the person with a higher IQ might, theoretically, be able to discern methods of improvement more quickly than the person with the lower IQ. Consequently, they would improve at a faster rate.

Perhaps one of our esteemed teachers can weigh in with what they've seen in teaching the vast spread of IQs. (Although one could argue that only a person with a high IQ would hire a teacher because they realize they can't learn it alone.)

Just my first opinion.

Brian in VA
 
Black-Balled said:
IQ and pool smarts are unrelated.
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Couldn't agree more... Just like the relationship in grade scores in school, Most dyslexics in school will have truly bad grades but when tested for a learning disability the IQ most of the time is higher than their graduating class. Albert Einstein him self had Dyslexia hence why he dropped out in grade 8.
 
Hand and eye coordination is more important than IQ

High IQ does not corelate to common sense. While IQ tests are intended to measure ability to learn they can be biased toward book learning or reading comprehension. I have personal experience with a person with 140+ IQ that could not unzip a sleeping bag. It took him one solid week of dropping and doing push-ups to learn to say "NO EXCUSE SIR!" to a "WHY" question. Yet he could read a chapter of history and recite it back to you word for word. Physically he was a totally uncoordinated clutz.......The perfect room mate in basic training!:rolleyes::eek: And if he was doing push-ups, I was doing push-ups! I still hold a special place in my heart for John.
 
IQ is the measuring of a persons ability to learn, it does not mean they will learn. Dedication is the determining factor.

On a related note, I believe that the ability to not think (as it relates to pool) is highly underrated!
 
obclassicut said:
Two players have the same experience in pocket billiards which is none, One has double the IQ of the other player. They both go on the same practice regimen for one year: By how much would the progression of the higher IQ player exceed the others if the both had the same desire to improve?
Maybe this question cant be accurately answered or have any relevance to most of us but input is still appreciated.:)
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Pretty sure this same question was posed less than two months ago.
 
Amen brother! :thumbup: Think standing up...no more thinking, once your bridge hand hits the cloth...it's all autopilot! :D

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Cdryden said:
IQ is the measuring of a persons ability to learn, it does not mean they will learn. Dedication is the determining factor.

On a related note, I believe that the ability to not think (as it relates to pool) is highly underrated!
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I would think that the person with higher athletic ability would be better regardless of IQ. People with higher IQ tend to spend more time looking for the "key", "trick" or "system" and not enough time doing the basics.
 
I believe that a persons IQ will definitely give them an advantage in learning pool. IQ relates to logic and reason as well as the ability to remember things. While it does have to do with common sense as stated most of you are using singular circumstances for your reasoning. I would bet that the IQ's of the top pool players in the world would higher than average.
 
Cdryden said:
IQ is the measuring of a persons ability to learn, it does not mean they will learn. Dedication is the determining factor.

On a related note, I believe that the ability to not think (as it relates to pool) is highly underrated!
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He said they were equally dedicated, so it can't be the deciding factor.



Not thinking=focus

Indeed, very important.



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OK, i forgot one thing. these players have the same physical make-up and ability( like twins with different brains) Intelligence and memory are correlated. I know for a fact memory is a huge factor in determining how fast a player will progress. You must remember what you have done wrong over and over. pool is kind of like guess and check so i thats why i was thinking the higher iq player would have an advantage. i could be off on this thats why i posted it, (uncertainty and curiosity):smile:

Also this theory is going on my assumption that iq and intelligence are affiliated, haha

gregcantrall said:
High IQ does not corelate to common sense. While IQ tests are intended to measure ability to learn they can be biased toward book learning or reading comprehension. I have personal experience with a person with 140+ IQ that could not unzip a sleeping bag. It took him one solid week of dropping and doing push-ups to learn to say "NO EXCUSE SIR!" to a "WHY" question. Yet he could read a chapter of history and recite it back to you word for word. Physically he was a totally uncoordinated clutz.......The perfect room mate in basic training!:rolleyes::eek: And if he was doing push-ups, I was doing push-ups! I still hold a special place in my heart for John.
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obclassicut said:
Two players have the same experience in pocket billiards which is none, One has double the IQ of the other player. They both go on the same practice regimen for one year: By how much would the progression of the higher IQ player exceed the others if the both had the same desire to improve?
Maybe this question cant be accurately answered or have any relevance to most of us but input is still appreciated.:)
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Why not put it in the same terms but compare somebody with an average IQ to somebody with an IQ of let's say 70. All else (dedication and otherwise) equal.

Please let's not suppose a savant, they are in fact very rare. Besides, that would violate the "all else equal" part of the premise.


Different or not?

To me it poses the same question.

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Do these two fictional players have the same ability? If so, I would take the one with the IQ. I've seen some very high level pool players who can barely spell or form a coherent sentence. I'll take the guy with the ability to become the better player but the guy with twice the IQ will probably have a more successful life and end up with more cash.
 
Good post Brian, and something I expect you have dealt with, in your career as a sales trainer! :thumbup: In my experience, it can go either way. Sometimes working with students with a high IQ gets in the way of trying to learn something simple. The conscious/unconscious brain has a way of "blurting out" something like, "It can't be this simple!"...when it fact it is! Also, there are many very intelligent people who are perfectionsists (:eek:), which also can contribute to a difficulty in achieving quick success! Someone posted about Einstein being dyslexic...he was also an avid billiards enthusiast. Mark Twain, one of the 19th century's foremost authors (and someone who was well versed on a huge variety of subjects) was a billiards addict (like most of us here)!

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Brian in VA said:
The way you've worded the question indicates that you believe the higher IQ would progress faster. I'm not so sure as I can argue for both sides of this.

A person with a higher IQ, theoretically, would be able to understand that there are more ways to miss a ball and, as a result, might entertain more negative thoughts than the person with a lower IQ. Consequently, they would improve at a slower rate.

On the other hand, the person with a higher IQ might, theoretically, be able to discern methods of improvement more quickly than the person with the lower IQ. Consequently, they would improve at a faster rate.

Perhaps one of our esteemed teachers can weigh in with what they've seen in teaching the vast spread of IQs. (Although one could argue that only a person with a high IQ would hire a teacher because they realize they can't learn it alone.)

Just my first opinion.

Brian in VA
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Joined this exquisite site less than a month ago, my unawareness of this previous post can be blamed on my failure to go through every post preceding my join date. i am so very sorry:(

Cornerman said:
Pretty sure this same question was posed less than two months ago.
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