Is it "Common Practice" to Split the Money in the Finals These Days?

I think a good place for it is the Super Bowl.
Watch the important stuff - the commercials - then spend the rest of the day enjoying yourself instead of watching a game that rarely lives up the the hype. :grin:
 
the place had a great turnout, productive business and everyone enjoyed themselves.

K2Kraze said:
Is the game about the MONEY or the WIN, CJ? I think either way, you both lose. Neither of you WON and one of you literally gave up the victory prize and settled for less.


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Yeah, it wasn't a big deal to me, I doubt if it has any bearing on me getting into "The Hall of Fame"....but it was to him, he was really excited about getting 1st place in a tournament (although it could be looked at as "tied" for 1st).

You're right, though, I didn't get any good feelings about winning .... that's why it bothered me, I felt like something was missing....incomplete. Oh, well, it wasn't an issue either way, and the place had a great turnout, productive business and everyone enjoyed themselves.....that's a big plus/plus/plus, so in that respect it was a nice win for all. 'The Game is the Teacher'
 
CJ Wiley said:
Yeah, it wasn't a big deal to me, I doubt if it has any bearing on me getting into "The Hall of Fame"....but it was to him, he was really excited about getting 1st place in a tournament (although it could be looked at as "tied" for 1st).

You're right, though, I didn't get any good feelings about winning .... that's why it bothered me, I felt like something was missing....incomplete. Oh, well, it wasn't an issue either way, and the place had a great turnout, productive business and everyone enjoyed themselves.....that's a big plus/plus/plus, so in that respect it was a nice win for all. 'The Game is the Teacher'
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The money wouldn't mean as much to me as the comp and making a new friend/acquaintance. I'd chop if asked or bet it all. Either way it's all good. :cool:

Best,
Mike
 
Reading the entire post now, perhaps it's the "big picture" and all things considered that matters most when deciding these things. As long as all (players, T-Director, fans) are in agreement and the money and W not that important to either since it's 1/2, then it's not a bad way to end the evening "sporting billiards" 😁 Nice work on the win/win/win btw.


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On another note - to make it a win/win/win/WIN - you could have played him and won and then given him half anyway - show him some of that "game is the teacher" stuff and what it's like to have class and heart like you've shown all of us on the forum 😄
Good stuff, CJ!

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CJ Wiley said:
Yes, in my day we usually ask the opponent to "bet it all," I can't remember ever splitting the money in a tournament in 30 years.......but I'm told it's "common practice" these days.....just trying to find out if this is true or not.....it was only a few hundred chips, so not a big deal......just looking for some input for the future, that's all. 'The Game is the Teacher'
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Its not like it use to be CJ. Its seems to be a common practice around here. I declined when asked a few months back and the person got hot, and told everyone I wouldn't chop. I was also at one, won't mention the tour and I had to beat the guy twice, won the first set and it was like 4:00am and he got the tournament director to ask me if I would split and I did, because I knew the others were ready to go and dead tired, even though I felt I had the best of it. Just this weekend at the 6 pockets tournament, they had a mini Friday night that had 32 players, the same players who played in the big one. This was a 35.00 entry fee and he added some, I think. It came down to me, Justin Cone, who was in with me and another player from MS. He asked to chop and I wouldn't let Justin do it and he got hot also. It was a few hundred difference in 1 and 2nd, and I was already chopping. If no one is affected in a negative way, I don't see anything wrong with it though.
 
Just about all of the tournaments i have been to are a split, unless there is a big difference in ability,then the better player obviously wants to play it out. I like your idea CJ,play the set for it all, but most guys wont do that. I get so tired of seeing guys split and people wanting me to split,you lose that Psychological edge for the next time you play each other i think. I want them to remember me beating them the last time we played, it gives me the edge i think, I remember watching the final match at the glass city open in ohio one year and it was two pros playing and they played fast and loose and didnt care who won,and you know they were splitting by the way they played. Thats no good for the audience,its anticlimatic. If you are on the road and need the money i can see 2 players splitting otherwise play it out,even if you make it a one set final and a longer race. My buddy told me tonight he had this situation and the guy said if he beats him the first set he would split,and my buddy told him if we are going to split,we do it now or not at all. we never used to split,but we werent talking about a lot of money either.
 
Rustys also grilled burgers and hotdogs and made a real "customer appreciation" day

K2Kraze said:
Reading the entire post now, perhaps it's the "big picture" and all things considered that matters most when deciding these things. As long as all (players, T-Director, fans) are in agreement and the money and W not that important to either since it's 1/2, then it's not a bad way to end the evening "sporting billiards" �� Nice work on the win/win/win btw.


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We really enjoyed the event, the scheduling was top notch - there was a feeling of "good will" towards the players. Even after losing my first round I wasn't disappointed, although I was wondering if I'd forgot how to play "bar box 8 Ball" in the last few years.

I can't remember the last time I played 8-Ball seriously, but each match reminded me of the subtleties of the game - I grew up playing 8 Ball on a 9' table, and I believe it's a better game on the 7 footers because the balls clutter up creating more strategic decisions.

Rustys also grilled burgers and hotdogs and made a real "customer appreciation" out of it at Rustys. They also have 9 Ball handicap tournaments on Tuesday and Wednesday nights, I sometimes go both nights.....I will definitely be there Wednesday night, there's a $500 a ball break and run contest.
 
I've only read the first few posts so please excuse me if my comments are out of line.

Most of the time when I see a person who asks to split it's usually because the person asking to split knows the other guy can beat him so the guy wants to split to get as much cash as he can as opposed to playing it out, getting second place and less cash.

I get asked to split occasionally in these small local bar tournaments around my town (this is not a "pool town" whatsoever). I don't care how late it is or how early I have to get up the next day. Maybe it's a pride thing. Or maybe it's my old school ways of thinking in the fact that you don't give up, no matter what side of the bracket your on you play it out, give it your best and take what you earn. It doesn't matter if you get first or second. At least you can go to bed that night knowing you gave it everything you had and didn't throw in the towel for whatever reason. Especially if you come back from the losers side to play in the finals.


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Scheduling a tournament on a week night is kind of foolish to begin with. People have to work for a living.
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Not so with our local Bar Tournaments. The majority don't awaken
before the "crack of noon" and gladly drink and do drugs as long as
the Bar is open. 7:30 start times often drag on until 8:30 and the MD
allows his "good ole boy" friends in AFTER we have started. They get
a "bye" as a reward for showing up late.
Needless to say, I quit playing in those a long time ago, but I still
hear the horror stories.
 
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sometimes being unselfish is the ultimate reward

I can see your point in bigger tournaments, but this one was only $700 (plus $800 in the calcutta) for first place.

The positive thing is it made my opponent very, very, happy to not get beat in the finals after playing a superb tournament.....sometimes being unselfish is the ultimate reward.



runout1961 said:
I've only read the first few posts so please excuse me if my comments are out of line.

Most of the time when I see a person who asks to split it's usually because the person asking to split knows the other guy can beat him so the guy wants to split to get as much cash as he can as opposed to playing it out, getting second place and less cash.

I get asked to split occasionally in these small local bar tournaments around my town (this is not a "pool town" whatsoever). I don't care how late it is or how early I have to get up the next day. Maybe it's a pride thing. Or maybe it's my old school ways of thinking in the fact that you don't give up, no matter what side of the bracket your on you play it out, give it your best and take what you earn. It doesn't matter if you get first or second. At least you can go to bed that night knowing you gave it everything you had and didn't throw in the towel for whatever reason. Especially if you come back from the losers side to play in the finals.


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CJ Wiley said:
The positive thing is it made my opponent very, very, happy to not get beat in the finals after playing a superb tournament.....
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I hear you CJ but your above comment pretty much proves the point I was trying to make. You say it made your opponent very happy to split which basically means he was trying to get as much cash as he could instead of playing you in the finals, getting beat and getting the second place cash.

By the way, I'm a fan of yours. I know they only have that big tournament at Rustys about twice a year right? I've always wanted to go as it is only a four hour drive but either work or the lack of funds has always gotten in the way. Nothing but great things have always been spoken about that tournament. I'll make it there some day.

John


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I have to start off by saying that I usually DETEST tourneys....sitting in a poolhall all day long, and only playing about 25% of the time is NOT my idea of a fun day. So, let's say, I did play, I played well, won all my matches, and, waited, and waited, and waited, for the loser's side to finish....let's also say it's 2AMish, and I've been there since 10 or 11 AM the PREVIOUS morning. If my opponent asks to split, I jump on it, get straight home into bed, and try to be fresh for my teetime that is just a few hours away!!! :eek:

I want to win as much as anyone, trust me, but there comes a point in a long day of pool (read: waiting), where I just don't care anymore. A couple of extra bucks, a few pats on the back, and a little boost to the ego just aren't worth the tourney "hangover" for a couple of days to me!!!

Split PLEASE, I don't want to hear birds chirping as I leave the poolhall
 
CJ it doesn't matter you don't need the extra cash. Glad you are hitting ball on a regular basis again. Would like to know who you beat in New Orleans ??
 
The answer is Yes it is common to split the money. I will split if asked to normally on smaller tournaments. If the money is up there I ask the Calcutta people what they want us to do. Do they want to split also or have us play? What really aggravates me is when I ask someone to split because it is late and I am in the winners. But later when they are in the winners and don't want to split because they are in the winners and have to be beat twice. I would often go around after winning the winners bracket and ask the last three or four people left in if they will split with me if they win the losers bracket. If all say yes I take half of first and second place and go home a couple of hours early.
 
Yes,very much so.

At first I thought you were pulling our collective leg with this question,but of course you have not been playing small tourneys recently

I remember the angst and anguish before I won my first ever weekly BB tourney(my second actually the first 1 was when all the top players were out of town and no1 mentioned splitting..I was totally unprepared for my opponent to offer an even split.I accepted since I considered it an act of respect from a better player but I really wanted to play!

I certainly prefer to play but it is very rare in regular weekly tourney

.As far as a regional or slightly larger then reg-weekly-tourney I think more often then not the finals are played out.A lot of the time the players will play with a saver so they are playing for something but less then the difference would be between first and second.This way we get to see the match played but the tournament minded players are not gambling a large some of money on the one match.I like this scenario compared to splitting even and then being compelled to play anyway.

A few years back in the early days of live streaming pool,a local pool room had set up they're own website and promoted the yearly tourney they held.The finals match was live streamed and I tuned in to watch 2 great players battle it out...imagine my horror when I realized they had split even before the match! My guess is they were being forced to play it out,likely the TD withheld the prize fund to make them play the finals.It was clear that they just wanted to get out of there as soon as possible.

It seams the mindset of players has changed over the years.I imagine back in the day two players would have been more likely to play for it all then to split even.Most players these days just want to grind out a living from tourneys.Or If they have a job and play competitively they have to be pragmatic about the money and also will want to get home on a Sunday night as early as possible.
 
for some reason they have be a bit over-rated

Dave714 said:
CJ it doesn't matter you don't need the extra cash. Glad you are hitting ball on a regular basis again. Would like to know who you beat in New Orleans ??
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They say I might still have a game in New Orleans, but I highly doubt it. They have a great pool room there, and lots of gambling, for some reason they have me a bit over-rated....like it's 1994 again. ;)
 
splittin the prize money

I know this has been talked about - and I didn't read this whole thread.

BUT - This was posted on FaceBook for a very recent event. It is an amateur event.
What are the thoughts of splitting (3 way I heard) and then announcing it on FB?

I believe they all got $333 - the event only paid 1st place of $1,000. (that is another discussion).

Alex (Olinger) played very well this weekend in Columbus Ohio in the 2014 NAPA MEGA Singles. splitting all 3 tournaments with his peers in the finals. Congratulations! — with Alex Olinger.

I'm curious about everyone's response.

Mark Griffin
 
Mark Griffin said:
I know this has been talked about - and I didn't read this whole thread.

BUT - This was posted on FaceBook for a very recent event. It is an amateur event.
What are the thoughts of splitting (3 way I heard) and then announcing it on FB?

I believe they all got $333 - the event only paid 1st place of $1,000. (that is another discussion).

Alex (Olinger) played very well this weekend in Columbus Ohio in the 2014 NAPA MEGA Singles. splitting all 3 tournaments with his peers in the finals. Congratulations! — with Alex Olinger.

I'm curious about everyone's response.

Mark Griffin
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In a case like that where only 1st gets paid, I think it makes sense to split from an equity standpoint.

You'd have to be an overwhelming favorite over both players (especially if the finals were 2 sets) to even consider not splitting.
 
Mark Griffin said:
I know this has been talked about - and I didn't read this whole thread.

BUT - This was posted on FaceBook for a very recent event. It is an amateur event.
What are the thoughts of splitting (3 way I heard) and then announcing it on FB?

I believe they all got $333 - the event only paid 1st place of $1,000. (that is another discussion).

Alex (Olinger) played very well this weekend in Columbus Ohio in the 2014 NAPA MEGA Singles. splitting all 3 tournaments with his peers in the finals. Congratulations! — with Alex Olinger.

I'm curious about everyone's response.

Mark Griffin
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If theres no calcutta, I dont see a problem with it. The players can split if theyre tired, or in the case you mentioned where there was only one payout and they want to spread it out. But my question is why in the world would anyone let players split with a calcutta? At that point its an obligation to play it out even if the players bought half IMO.
Chuck
 
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