Is it illegal to mark the table in APA?

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brownrice

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Hello, an APA rules question for you all,

The other night in APA league my opponent was figuring out where to hit a kick shot and marked the spot on the rail to hit with a cube of chalk. He said that it is legal if the chalk is left on the wood of the rail, not the cloth. I argued that it's not legal to mark the table in any way. I did a search on this forum and on the APA site and can't find any supporting documentation for this.

I did find the BCA ruling which states
(http://www.pool-table-rules.com/gr41.php#marking):
"3.43 ILLEGAL MARKING
If a player intentionally marks the table in any way (including the placement of chalk) to assist in executing the shot, it is a foul."

Can anyone help out? Also, is it legal if it's not in the APA rulebook?

Thanks in advance.
 
While there may or may not be an APA rule restricting this, you can always just go over and pick up the chalk! LOL If the guy can't figure out where to hit the rail without "marking it", he can't play anyway (that's what the diamonds are for). The funny thing is, most people don't realize that speed and spin affect how the ball comes off the rail much more than where you aim!

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
 
brownrice said:
Hello, an APA rules question for you all,

The other night in APA league my opponent was figuring out where to hit a kick shot and marked the spot on the rail to hit with a cube of chalk. He said that it is legal if the chalk is left on the wood of the rail, not the cloth. I argued that it's not legal to mark the table in any way. I did a search on this forum and on the APA site and can't find any supporting documentation for this.

I did find the BCA ruling which states
(http://www.pool-table-rules.com/gr41.php#marking):
"3.43 ILLEGAL MARKING
If a player intentionally marks the table in any way (including the placement of chalk) to assist in executing the shot, it is a foul."

Can anyone help out? Also, is it legal if it's not in the APA rulebook?

Thanks in advance.
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Here is what I found concerning your question.

http://www.poolplayers.com/admin/faq/afmmain.aspx?faqid=217
 
Scott Lee said:
While there may or may not be an APA rule restricting this, you can always just go over and pick up the chalk! LOL If the guy can't figure out where to hit the rail without "marking it", he can't play anyway (that's what the diamonds are for). The funny thing is, most people don't realize that speed and spin affect how the ball comes off the rail much more than where you aim!

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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I have done this twice to a guy in my league... both times he was not happy but he never argued. I don't know if it against our league rules but it really gets me upset. And it isn't against the rules for me to chalk my cue.
 
Did anyone read the link I provided, it is legal by the APA rules to place a cube a caulk on the rail for this purpose, I personally think it is a joke and should not be allowed but, the rules are the rules if you don't like it don't play APA.

:)
 
manwon said:
Did anyone read the link I provided, it is legal by the APA rules to place a cube a caulk on the rail for this purpose, I personally think it is a joke and should not be allowed but, the rules are the rules if you don't like it don't play APA.

:)
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I read it. Its legal if the cube is left on the hard surface.
 
brownrice said:
Hello, an APA rules question for you all,

The other night in APA league my opponent was figuring out where to hit a kick shot and marked the spot on the rail to hit with a cube of chalk. He said that it is legal if the chalk is left on the wood of the rail, not the cloth. I argued that it's not legal to mark the table in any way. I did a search on this forum and on the APA site and can't find any supporting documentation for this.

I did find the BCA ruling which states
(http://www.pool-table-rules.com/gr41.php#marking):
"3.43 ILLEGAL MARKING
If a player intentionally marks the table in any way (including the placement of chalk) to assist in executing the shot, it is a foul."

Can anyone help out? Also, is it legal if it's not in the APA rulebook?

Thanks in advance.
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It's a first degree felony punishable by death.
 
I think it's kind of silly, too. But having to place it on the wood, as opposed to on the cloth up near the edge, probably isn't gonna help all that much in any event. If the shooter can figure out the aiming using that, they probably don't need it in the first place.
 
I doubt that you'd ever see a higher level APA player do this for themselves. and until recently it wasn't permitted in the APA. When coaching a lessor player you'd often see the coach with his finger at the aim point on the rail asking the player "do you see it?" then moving before the shot is hit. The 2, 3, or sometimes 4 executing the shot probably isn't going to make it anyway and it probably won't effect the outcome of the shot 95% of the time. There are bigger things to get upset about playing league, leaving a chalk cube on the rail shouldn't be one of them.


:cool:
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
It's a first degree felony punishable by death.
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Winner winner chicken dinner.

It is definatley not allowed to mark a spot on the table to shoot at.
It is a general rule for pool in general.
Just like some of these beginners that like to lay down their stick to line up a shot. can't do it. illegal.
also can't measure with other objects.

All general pool rules. These leagues should use these general rules if they do not. Leagues seem to be the place for beginners so to teach them wrong is very bad and that should also be punishable by death, lol.

Zilla<----- was never a leaguer. Never will be. Was a player !
 
There are better ways to mark it without putting a piece of chalk on the rail. I like Johnny Archer's method.
 
alstl said:
There are better ways to mark it without putting a piece of chalk on the rail. I like Johnny Archer's method.
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:eek:What is that method? Does he mark the rail with some of that lint that is collected?

I've seen guys drag their hand along the rail in the area where they will be kicking (sort of raising the knapp of the felt) -then go powder their hands-then go look at the kick-bend their finger over the top of the cushion and leave a barely visible flattened/dulled spot on the rail.

I've seen coaches stand with their stick held vertically on the extended kick line like holding the flag while putting as a target.

No doubt there are other subtle ways.
 
Legal or not I don't think you're in any trouble if your opponent needs to mark the table with chalk.
 
Gary...Not that I necessarily disagree with you...but, remember, even YOU were a BEGINNER way back when (and likely did some dumb sh*t that you now know is 'wrong')! We have cut begginers a break sometimes...like when they leave the chalk upside down. I try to "educate" people who don't know better. Now, if they continue the bad habit, after being reminded a few times...then they are just too dumb to know better. Now THAT would be the time for capital punishment! :D

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

oldzilla said:
Leagues seem to be the place for beginners so to teach them wrong is very bad and that should also be punishable by death, lol.

Zilla<----- was never a leaguer. Never will be. Was a player !
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Jallan said:
I have done this twice to a guy in my league... both times he was not happy but he never argued. I don't know if it against our league rules but it really gets me upset. And it isn't against the rules for me to chalk my cue.
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Getting up and removing the chalk would likely result in this same guy calling a foul for you comming to the table as he is preparing to shoot:grin-square:
 
Scott Lee said:
Gary...Not that I necessarily disagree with you...but, remember, even YOU were a BEGINNER way back when (and likely did some dumb sh*t that you now know is 'wrong')!
www.poolknowledge.com
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I dont think Zilla was saying anything bad about being a beginner, just the some leagues "dumbing down" the rules is bad :grin: And I agree.

It was bad enough before all the different league rules. We all know players, GOOD players, that have never read a rule book and often break rules they dont know about. Like laying the cue on the table or measuring a space with a ball, and we wont even get into the whole how to call a double hit LOL.

Woody
 
Scott Lee said:
Gary...Not that I necessarily disagree with you...but, remember, even YOU were a BEGINNER way back when (and likely did some dumb sh*t that you now know is 'wrong')! We have cut begginers a break sometimes...like when they leave the chalk upside down. I try to "educate" people who don't know better. Now, if they continue the bad habit, after being reminded a few times...then they are just too dumb to know better. Now THAT would be the time for capital punishment! :D

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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oh for sure i was and when i was a beginner there weren't any leagues to play on.
i was simply pointing out a few things and adding to judes cantor.
no offense intended.
prolly did alot of things wrong. when i did they told me and i learned from mistakes.
 
The private league that I shoot in doesn't allow any marking whatsoever. Its even a foul to point when coaching. I usually keep my hands behind me back as if at parade-rest/at-ease when coaching. I don't want to give my opponents any ammunition for argument. I honestly don't care about pointing or marking. I agree with what someone else kept insinuating that if they needed to be coached enough where they needed an aiming point, they're most likely going to miss the shot anyways. Lesson learned, take a mental note, move on, and then practice it later.


Scott Lee said:
We have cut begginers a break sometimes...like when they leave the chalk upside down. I try to "educate" people who don't know better. Now, if they continue the bad habit, after being reminded a few times...then they are just too dumb to know better. Now THAT would be the time for capital punishment! :D
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Oh, I seriously hate that with a passion!!! There is one guy in my league who's a low 'A' rated that does exactly that... I've asked numerous times to both him and his teammates to please stop doing that!!! At least the chalk is tan colored so its not so bad, but still it annoys the hell out of me!
 
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