Patrick Johnson said:
That's the Houlian Fractional Sentence System.:grin:
Colin
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That's the Houlian Fractional Sentence System.:grin:
Colin
About 25+ years ago Gary and I were often playing in a local 9-ball tournament. Before the tournament, players would be warming up and a few times Gary and I were warming up together. Since he was such a strong player, if we just played some 9-ball games I wouldn't get many shots. So the way we played 9-ball was that he had to bank every ball!!! Now here's the strong part, as I recall, Gary would usually win at least half of those games!mullyman said:
I mostly play one-pocket, so even when I play bank, I tend to hit many banks, especially the ones into a corner pocket, pretty softly. Just can't get away from that pocket speed.Cannonball55 said:
Another reason hard banking is useful is that it greatly reduces the amount of bank angles that result in double kisses.
Dr. Dave has a very good video explaining this here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEbxZDf-BnU
Colin
Dr. Dave has a very good video explaining this here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEbxZDf-BnU
Colin
Partially agree
with you on banking, EXCEPT for back banks. Back banks are better with a slow to soft medium stroke than being firmer because english will make the shot short if shot with a firmer stroke.
Back banks are kind of a thing with me, especially back banks to the side pocket, and I probably shoot 85% of them with inside english. I rarely miss one, even the extreme angle ones, but if I shot those at a greater speed, they would come up short.
with you on banking, EXCEPT for back banks. Back banks are better with a slow to soft medium stroke than being firmer because english will make the shot short if shot with a firmer stroke.
Back banks are kind of a thing with me, especially back banks to the side pocket, and I probably shoot 85% of them with inside english. I rarely miss one, even the extreme angle ones, but if I shot those at a greater speed, they would come up short.
I never really watched anyone play banks until I started attending the DCC a few years ago. Yes, most guys do hit them rather firmly, and I can understand why. One person that I really enjoy watching bank is Larry Price. He seems to hit many banks much softer than most guys, almost as if playing pocket speed shots. I mentioned this to him as it's a nice "change of pace" to see someone bank balls with some "touch" as opposed to slamming them in. He seems like a nice guy and can play pretty well too!
yes pocket speed is very important in one pocket. cliff rarely misses one and rarely shoots one if it's not free. the good bankers i've been around hit most banks firm and try to stiff them, they say it makes the pockets bigger if your coming at the pocket with a more direct angle .Cannonball55 said:
I don't think of it as "better" - just different. Back banks can be hit consistently with more speed if you adjust your aim accordingly. And, by the way, the same things apply to "forward" banks (where the OB picks up some running sidespin rather than holdup sidespin), so it isn't just a back bank problem, it's a cut shot problem.
The really tricky part is that the amount of transferred spin on the OB (from cutting the shot) doesn't change evenly - it goes up as the cut angle increases to a half ball hit and then back down as the angle increases more than that (and, just to make things interesting, the amount of throw changes the same way).
Transferred spin also changes with the amount of vertical spin (follow/draw/stun) and with shot speed, and none of these things changes evenly, so the combined effect of all of them is a real challenge to judge. Again, that's why bankers try to minimize these variables (usually by banking hard).
pj
chgo
I usually hear commentators scratching their heads about Cliff's tendency to take too many risks. It's why I like to watch him play.
pj
chgo
i'm talking about when he's gambling. he's usually letting someone go to 4 or 5 or 6 balls. he's passed up all easy short rail banks playing me if they were not free. it's amazing really he would probably make 3 or 4 more balls if he made the bank but instead he deals with the one in my pocket.Patrick Johnson said:
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Stop!
Patrick, please stop posting. You are giving away secrets contained in my bank pool books for free. You are much too correct. Hopefully your comments will be overlooked. I might have to send a hit-man from my mobbed-up Chicago Bridgeport neighborhood to take you out.
the Beard
Patrick Johnson said:
Patrick, please stop posting. You are giving away secrets contained in my bank pool books for free. You are much too correct. Hopefully your comments will be overlooked. I might have to send a hit-man from my mobbed-up Chicago Bridgeport neighborhood to take you out.
the Beard
freddy the beard said:
LOL...
Like I said to you, Freddy - the "victim list" should be getting shorter and shorter every day. Plain and simple... everyone needs to be armed with the information in your books and DVD's - or they will become the victims of those that have this knowledge.
freddy the beard said:
Not to worry, Freddy - nobody listens to me. And if it turns out they do my office is only a few blocks from Comiskey Park (rest its soul), so your local talent won't even have to leave the neighborhood - we can all go get an ice at Ferro's first.
pj
chgo
transferred spin and throw effects
Regards,
Dave
If people want more info, the illustrations in my September '06 article show these effects. Also, my March '07 article illustrates and explains why throw and spin transfer go hand in hand.Patrick Johnson said:
If people wan more info, this is illustrated and explained in my October '06 article.Patrick Johnson said:
Regards,
Dave
