Is it true nice guys finish last?

Nice guys dont finish last

its other people overextend the service of help enlisted.

If someone asks me something like place charges on my credit card in exchange for cash thats pushing it.
For not so obvious reasons.

Or if someone wants something from me it has to be reasonable like im ok with lending out nondurable goods.

Nice guys just have heavy workloads
 
rackmsuckr; I'm sorry you've had loss for doing a favor, that sucks. It reflects more poorly on the person who has taken advantage of you however. Take what you have learned from this: don't lend out anything nice, with very very few exceptions; and you have to condider your own feelings as well as others when being nice. Help out when you can but realize that you are vulnerable to hurt and hard feelings.
 
I think I know how you feel. I'm usually the sucker too. There is only one way out and that is to say no---with no excuses or reasons given.

With all due respect to other responses: 1. Why should I buy a beater cue if it is only $10? 2. Why should I leave my extra cue at home when I like to have it for backup? 3. Why should I have to tell a lie when I don't want to.
 
No, nice guys don't finish last.

But, if they're not careful, nice girls can be taken for suckers! Tell the guy to run over WalMart and pick up a cue next time he has a few bucks. From what you say about the way he slams the balls around, he doesn't require a cue like yours.
 
I would say nice guys finish last in the corprate world today. In small business I say the bad guy finishes last in the end. Johnnyt
 
Tell him he can continue to use it, but if beats you with it again....your going to wrap it around F**king head!... Just kidding...your too nice.

Next time "forget" to bring it. But remember to bring a really crapy extra cue.

Mack

rackmsuckr said:
Or am I just too naive/nice for my own good? Here's the situation:

I carry an extra cue with me, a Keith Kustom Kue..I guess it's worth about $1500-$2000. I used to use it for a break stick.

There is a big guy who used to rent an apartment from us who plays pretty decent. He's a massage therapist and always dead broke. So I have let him use my Keith at the last 2 tournaments. It picked up a tink that I haven't figured out where it is located, and I suspect, even though I asked him not to break with it, he hits the balls hard and may have damaged it, because I haven't used it in awhile.

He always said he would throw me a massage in return for the last 2 times I let him use it, but he always gets mad and leaves in a snit when he loses, so I have never collected.

Today, I didn't really want him to use it, but he asked me point blank and I didn't feel I could be ungracious and say no, so I let him use it. And when he was done, he would carry it back to me, so I would have to babysit it too. :(

He is so broke that he made a deal with a guy in his first match to split and neither one of them had to make it into the money.

My first match, I was on the hill against this 'road player' and he had a chance to tie it, but he miscued on the 8, so I won that.

My next match, was against a guy that was really good, he didn't miss much, but I was playing well too, so I stayed even until 4-4 and he pulled ahead to 6-4. He missed the 9 on the next rack and left me a long tough back cut with whitey on the end rail, but I made it and then broke and ran 2 racks to finish the set, 7-6. They were tough runouts, too, so I felt pretty good.

Guess who I play 3rd round on the winner's side? Yep, our ex-renter. Now, is it really fair for you to get beaten by your own equipment? Should I have made him use a bar cue? He breaks like a monster, hits everything hard and slopped in a 9 ball, and 2 other balls during the match to continue runs, so I lost.

I don't think I was thinking much about it during the match, but it sure felt unfair when it was over. I did collect on the massage afterwards, but I still didn't feel good about it. I just lost, one out of the money, to a good player, so he won't get to borrow it tomorrow.

What would you have done? Am I just too soft for my own good when it comes to pool?
 
In the general sense of your question, yes, nice guys do finish last.

As it relates to playing pool, yes, nice guys finish last.

As it relates to the pool room environment, yes, nice guys finish last.

A cynical approach to dealing with people in pool rooms is required. Look at it this way, for every salt-of-the-earth nice-guy familiy-man that walks into a poolroom to play, there are 10-20 vultures that would take every dime in his pocket and his car if they could, without one single thought to the consequences.
 
I'm a soft touch when it comes to helping people.

More than once, I have lent things to "friends", only to have the things returned broken with hardly an apology. Forget about paying or replacing the item.

What amazes me is the number of times someone has returned something broken to me and some time in future asked to borrow something else.

Now, I don't lend my pool equipment to anyone!

Go figure!
 
You want to beat me with my own equipment?

rackmsuckr said:
Or am I just too naive/nice for my own good? Here's the situation:
xxxx

What would you have done? Am I just too soft for my own good when it comes to pool?

This reminds me of David G of Houston, playing a road player from England here in New Orleans. The game was very close with both players capable of winning the match. About half way through the match the Brit saw David G jump a couple of balls with success and when the Brit was stuck behind a ball he asked David G if he could borrow his jump cue to which David G loudly replied, "YOU WANT TO BEAT ME WITH MY OWN EQUIPMENT?!!!!" (David is rather quiet normally)
LOL

It was funny but neither player was smiling. David G took home the cheese.
JoeyA
 
VIProfessor said:
Hi Linda,

I'd like to consider mysef a nice guy inside and outside of the pool room, but hard experience has taught me these two things:

1. There are only about two or three people on the planet that I will let use my cue, other than to to hit a ball or two to see how it feels. A good cue stick is simply too hard to replace, as no two cues hit exactly the same.

2. I'm sorry, but there's no way on Earth than someone is going to beat me out of money using my own equipment. That's like lending a tough player a grand and then playing him for $500 a set!

"You gotta be hard!"--Bert (George C. Scott) in "The Hustler"

Peace and Love, Linda (but not on the pool table!),

Your boy in St. Thomas,
VIProfessor


VIProfessor.... your #2 above reminds me of a funny story. There use to be a kid around here in upstate NY named Ian Costello. (nickname back rack). Anyway, Ian moved down around Charlotte for a couple of years and was playing good. he became good friends with Ron Park while he was down there. Well 1 night Ian was broke and looking for a cheap stake so Ron loaned him $50.00. Well, no one came in that night so Ian and Ron played each other. With Ian playing with Rons stake money. I guess from what i have heard Ian wound up the winner for the night. Beating Ron with his own money. And from what i have heard, Ron never did get his stake back.....Just a cute funny story i think..But it applies to your response to Linda......mike
 
everytime I read about some serial killer, child abuser, or sex criminal

they are described as nice guys.

I surely wouldnt want my association with a "nice guy" to run too deep into my bloodline.
 
I might loan a cue once, but think I'd say no the second time, see Breakups excellent line ... of course there is no way I'd ever ever ever loan out a Keith, but that's just me ;)

Dave, thinks he may have found the perfect cue
 
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Screw all of this excuse making garbage...

What's wrong with just saying "No."? Why? Because I said so, that's why....

btw - who is it?
 
The Queen

Linda i tried to send you a pm BUT it said your mail was full and would not accept it...
 
The Queen

Linda i tried to send you a pm BUT it said your mail was full and would not accept it...
 
Rasta said:
A non-confrontational solution would be to buy a smaller case, so there is no room to carry the Keith's Kustom to the pool room. You can't loan out what you don't have, right?

Or, you could have the cue refinished, and not hit with it at all afterwards, in the interest of resale value. ;) If you won't let yourself play with a particular cue, how could anyone blame you for not letting anyone else play with it?

Good Rolls,
Rasta

Thanks to all who commented on my situation. Mike is always telling me that I need to be tougher at the table and stand up for myself, but it is just not in my nature, most of the time. :( The first and ONLY time I decided to be assertive is another long, amazing story in itself. :eek:

I think I have a built-in excuse next time, in that he did beat me with it, and that I don't want to duplicate the situation. I also did tell him up front that it had developed the tink after the last time he used it and he just shrugged it off.

I also jokingly said he owed me a major jelly roll for using it and he laughed that one off too. I doubt he will, because he was already splitting his winnings with that guy he faced in the first round.

I carry the Keith for a backup and because it is a little shorter than my Viking and also more rigid, so I like to use it for certain shots. My Talisman case is a 3/5, so I do carry it because I endorse Talisman and they carry a lot of my peripheral equipment too. Because he made it just for me, with my name (Linda "Wonder Woman" Carter) on the back, I can't very well ask him to make me a smaller one or use another brand.

But thanks for the creative solution. :)
 
Snapshot9 said:
Many have offered good comments, but most simply, you set yourself up to be used, and there are ALL KINDS of users out there, so why are you surprised at the outcome. Look at your description of the guy, does he sound like someone that is responsible and respectful???????

I know, but that just brings out the pity in me. The first tournament was back last summer, so I am surprised that he hasn't bought a cheap cue yet. When I asked him, he said when he did buy something, it would be a nice cue, not cheap. :rolleyes:
 
justnum said:
everytime I read about some serial killer, child abuser, or sex criminal

they are described as nice guys.

I surely wouldnt want my association with a "nice guy" to run too deep into my bloodline.

Ummm, I don't get it. Are you saying because I am nice, I could be one of those monsters you put up there? I'll associate with every nice guy out there...and take my chances...but not be stupid, of course. ;)
 
1pRoscoe said:
Screw all of this excuse making garbage...

What's wrong with just saying "No."? Why? Because I said so, that's why....

btw - who is it?

LOL, OK, I will tell him you said so. I can't tell you who it is, but if he is a big guy (over 6' 2-5") that has no cue and is a massage therapist, you have your man. ;)
 
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