Is that TONY ZINZOLAS HAND in my pocket

[tikkler]

Hey

Thank you jamie for standn with me on tonys side looks like u and I know what's up with him enough said thanks again

Well obviously I would be interested to know what the incredible circumstances are for Zinzola that would allow him to be a thief and a liar for at least 5 years.

Please fill me in.



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[VolturiCases]

Well obviously I would be interested to know what the incredible circumstances are for Zinzola that would allow him to be a thief and a liar for at least 5 years.

Please fill me in.



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That's a very good question... I guess everybody wants to know...

 

[ridewiththewind]

Thank you jamie for standn with me on tonys side looks like u and I know what's up with him enough said thanks again

I do not think that Jamie was doing anything beyond pointing out that the ACA has nothing to do with this as Tony is not an ACA cue maker, so there is no recourse there. However, had Tony had been an ACA member, they would have taken these claims very very seriously.

I do think it's pretty ridiculous for a cue maker to bite the hand that feeds them however. One thing that the AZB community is good at is the grapevine, and it can help to make or break a cue maker's business.

 

[Bavafongoul]

What's The Harm In Contacting ACA

Just curious about Worminator's advice and he probably knows more about ACA than me. But why not complain to ACA even if Tony Zinzola doesn't belong to it.

Let me predicate what I'm about to write........."IF" Tony Z. has behaved the way he's accused of acting, then he deserves to be run out of town on a rail IMO. Again, if he is guilty as charged, which my gut tells me is the situation at hand, then Tony's reputation as a cue-maker deserves being besmirched with his peers whom would undoubtedly agree there's no excuse for Zinzola's abhorent behavior.

When a guy behaves as badly and disgracefully as Zinzola has been described to have done to these named customers, that _rick deserves all the financial harm and bad consequences to his cue-making business as is "imaginable"......yes, I said it....imaginable. Say what you will about Tony's personal circumstances etc. but it hasn't a tinkers damn to do with his reckless, rude, dishonest behavior........stop making excuses for a couchebag.....if this is true of course........but where's Zinzola........hiding.

Hey, all you Zinzola cue owners....or supporters of him.....get on the phone and let him know his reputation is being trashed on AZ and if he doesn't respond, he might as well close up shop and sell his cue-making gear.......his cue-making days would otherwise be numbered. Meanwhile, even if ACA isn't included, everyone that Tony scrwed over needs to open a criminal complaint with the local District Attorney's office where Zinzola resides. You cannot do what he's been accused of and lay it off as a civil matter as a broken or unfilled contract.

All you have to do is make written demand on Tony for a full refund and cite all the pertinent history and dates. You accuse him in your demand letter of being dishonest and being a fraud by taking your money under knowingly false pretenses that Zinzola is "solely" responsible for and knowingly taking money from additional customers when he was not able to fill his current orders. This guy is collecting money for cues he isn't delivering and obviously isn't even sorry or apologetic. From all the signs, Zinzola isn't being honest and his actions constitute consumer fraud and under the law, amounts to stealing.

So if Tony doesn't make this right for all involved real quick, I think you hit him with everything you got including contacting the ACA because maybe some day Zinzola might want to become a member. At the very least, it tells his cue-making peers what a shit he seems to be but maybe others already know that. But don't stop with the ACA and notify BBB and especially, the DA's office. Hit him hard where it hurts and counts.......heckm start a call-in program to his shop pestering him if need be.......whatever.....but do not take this lying down or just posting on AZ about Zinzola hard..........Escalate your efforts and drive the monster from the village.

 

[Worminator]

Thank you jamie for standn with me on tonys side looks like u and I know what's up with him enough said thanks again

Actually, I am not taking sides but merely
pointing out that he is not a member of the American Cuemakers Association and no one should contact them with any matters concerning Mr Zinzola.

 

[Worminator]

The ACA will only look into matters that concern their members. The ACA should not be a part of the conversation here since it does not involve one of thier members.

That is all I will comment on concerning the ACA, any other questions should be directed to an ACA board member.

 

[tikkler]

Hey

I heard a rumor that Zinzola was selling about 2 brand new cues a month to someone named Marty Herman, from Boston.

does anybody know if there is any truth to this?




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[Bavafongoul]

Contact The APA or Not?

There are opposing views between the Worminator and myself about contacting APA about Zinzola. Obviously, the victims can do anything they choose to do since they're the only ones posting that have any skin in this game.

Nonetheless, I submit that broadcasting Zinzola's despicable actions and behavior to as many people as possible can do no harm and only lead "potentially" to arousing support and hopefully, being made whole again. Contact the local news station where Zinzola lives......look for a consumer advocate.........but not contacting ACA only guarantees nothing will ever come out if it.........APA will never do anything now or in the future. I disagree with Worminator because other cue-makers need to know Tony isn't honest and if they do business with him, get cash up front....no credit allowed.

The more I think about it, I believe you should notify ACA. about Tony Zinzola. It cannot hurt your situation in any way whatsoever and if you're lucky, it might do some good or maybe make things more uncomfortable or difficult for Tony as a cue-maker. Regardless of what is decided about contacting APA, I strongly encourage you to file a criminal complaint with the District Attorney's office in Zinzola's city. You could start with visiting your own local DA's office and ask for advice. They'll probably be able to tell you whom to contact and maybe even pick up the phone and make a call on your behalf. In any event, it's time to hit Tony hard from every angle possible.

 

[Worminator]

There are opposing views between the Worminator and myself about contacting APA about Zinzola. Obviously, the victims can do anything they choose to do since they're the only ones posting that have any skin in this game.

Nonetheless, I submit that broadcasting Zinzola's despicable actions and behavior to as many people as possible can do no harm and only lead "potentially" to arousing support and hopefully, being made whole again. Contact the local news station where Zinzola lives......look for a consumer advocate.........but not contacting ACA only guarantees nothing will ever come out if it.........APA will never do anything now or in the future. I disagree with Worminator because other cue-makers need to know Tony isn't honest and if they do business with him, get cash up front....no credit allowed.

The more I think about it, I believe you should notify ACA. about Tony Zinzola. It cannot hurt your situation in any way whatsoever and if you're lucky, it might do some good or maybe make things more uncomfortable or difficult for Tony as a cue-maker. Regardless of what is decided about contacting APA, I strongly encourage you to file a criminal complaint with the District Attorney's office in Zinzola's city. You could start with visiting your own local DA's office and ask for advice. They'll probably be able to tell you whom to contact and maybe even pick up the phone and make a call on your behalf. In any event, it's time to hit Tony hard from every angle possible.

I'm confused... Now I don't know if you are referring to the APA or the ACA??!! At any rate, I have heard from some ACA members and they are aware of this thread, but as stated previously, it is not their issue. I do not know how to state it any more clearly.

 

[rheester]

I'm confused... Now I don't know if you are referring to the APA or the ACA??!! At any rate, I have heard from some ACA members and they are aware of this thread, but as stated previously, it is not their issue. I do not know how to state it any more clearly.

he's blinded by his misguided rage

 

[mia]

I heard a rumor that Zinzola was selling about 2 brand new cues a month to someone named Marty Herman, from Boston.

does anybody know if there is any truth to this?




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I don't know if this is true or not but Marty is so full of crazy it adds an interesting new twist to the story.

I do see though that Marty was selling 1 Zinzola on Facebook as recently as August 7th.

 

[Barry Banks]

what i gather when i speak to tony, infrequently as i do, is that he cannot wait to finish all his work and never say the word "cue" again. unfortunately, i would be surprised if everyone got their cues or money without getting the law involved. it seems to me that the harder you push him, the less likely you are to get your issue resolved. and if you do, as in my two cases, the work is substandard and you will have to spend money getting the cue re-fixed or lose money if you sell it because you are not happy. i think the only way to get a satisfactory outcome is to get a cash refund, but we all know that vegas will start taking pool bets again before that happens.

 

[Quesports]

I'm confused... Now I don't know if you are referring to the APA or the ACA??!! At any rate, I have heard from some ACA members and they are aware of this thread, but as stated previously, it is not their issue. I do not know how to state it any more clearly.

Hey Jamie, It's called reading comprehension AZ STYLE!!!!!!!!

 

[Bavafongoul]

Rage.....hardly..........I have zero skin in this thread........I don't like to see innocent people screwed and it sure sounds like that's what happened to some Zinzola customers...........and no, I did not mean APA which is for league play.......duh.........contact the.ACA.......The American Cuemakers Association (www.cuemakers.org). Mike Capone is the current President.

Zinzola really needs to come forth and confront his accusers or else send them full refunds using certified bank checks.

I don't know what the reluctance is to notify ACA......It can't hurt and the more public this becomes, the more aggregate pressure can be brought to bear on Zinzola. At the least, ACA would simply say they can't do anything but you can always still contact every ACA member via e-mail to let them individually know what happened. Decent people, whether they happen to be a ACA member or not, will still think this is horrible and needless bad press for the cue-making industry.

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

The ACA will only look into matters that concern their members. The ACA should not be a part of the conversation here since it does not involve one of thier members.

That is all I will comment on concerning the ACA, any other questions should be directed to an ACA board member.

Think several ACA Members read, and contribute here. So I am sure getting into the ACA would be a tough nut for Tony Z to crack. JMHO.

 

[ridewiththewind]

Rage.....hardly..........I have zero skin in this thread........I don't like to see innocent people screwed and it sure sounds like that's what happened to some Zinzola customers...........and no, I did not mean APA which is for league play.......duh.........contact the.ACA.......The American Cuemakers Association (www.cuemakers.org). Mike Capone is the current President.

Zinzola really needs to come forth and confront his accusers or else send them full refunds using certified bank checks.

I don't know what the reluctance is to notify ACA......It can't hurt and the more public this becomes, the more aggregate pressure can be brought to bear on Zinzola. At the least, ACA would simply say they can't do anything but you can always still contact every ACA member via e-mail to let them individually know what happened. Decent people, whether they happen to be a ACA member or not, will still think this is horrible and needless bad press for the cue-making industry.

The point still being that the ACA is NOT going to get involved in matters concerning a non-member cue maker. It's simply not going to happen. When you look at their membership roster you will see names that have rarely, if ever, had an unkind word said about them. These are makers who are proud to have made the 'cut', and will do what is necessary, within reason, to make the customer happy.

 

[mia]

Rage.....hardly..........I have zero skin in this thread........I don't like to see innocent people screwed and it sure sounds like that's what happened to some Zinzola customers...........and no, I did not mean APA which is for league play.......duh.........contact the.ACA.......The American Cuemakers Association (www.cuemakers.org). Mike Capone is the current President.

Zinzola really needs to come forth and confront his accusers or else send them full refunds using certified bank checks.

I don't know what the reluctance is to notify ACA......It can't hurt and the more public this becomes, the more aggregate pressure can be brought to bear on Zinzola. At the least, ACA would simply say they can't do anything but you can always still contact every ACA member via e-mail to let them individually know what happened. Decent people, whether they happen to be a ACA member or not, will still think this is horrible and needless bad press for the cue-making industry.

So what you're saying is, you know it isn't their problem and it probably won't help in any way... but why not annoy the sh!t out of people who have NO involvement in this whatsoever by emailing ALL of them in the hopes they'll gladly make this their problem?

Good plan.

 

[tikkler]

Hey

Rage.....hardly..........I have zero skin in this thread........I don't like to see innocent people screwed and it sure sounds like that's what happened to some Zinzola customers...........and no, I did not mean APA which is for league play.......duh.........contact the.ACA.......The American Cuemakers Association (www.cuemakers.org). Mike Capone is the current President.

Zinzola really needs to come forth and confront his accusers or else send them full refunds using certified bank checks.

I don't know what the reluctance is to notify ACA......It can't hurt and the more public this becomes, the more aggregate pressure can be brought to bear on Zinzola. At the least, ACA would simply say they can't do anything but you can always still contact every ACA member via e-mail to let them individually know what happened. Decent people, whether they happen to be a ACA member or not, will still think this is horrible and needless bad press for the cue-making industry.

I truly appreciate you caring enough about what has transpired, and are giving some good ideas as to how to go about getting this resolved. a few of us, including a few from around the world, who have been ripped off by zinzola, are putting a plan together.
at this point we are willing to actually spend more than we ever lost, just to set things right............
If you or anyone else has some good ideas, please feel free to PM me.

If anyone else who hasn't spoken up yet, wants to get in on our group, please PM me.
i will keep everyone informed on what's happening as we proceed.

Thanks,
Steve





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[fay602]

Tony still owed me $500 deposit and never reply any email:angry: ......

 

[CMD]

So what you're saying is, you know it isn't their problem and it probably won't help in any way... but why not annoy the sh!t out of people who have NO involvement in this whatsoever by emailing ALL of them in the hopes they'll gladly make this their problem?

Good plan.

I'm sensing a touch of sarcasm in this post...


These are the $hitty things that "some" cuemakers and cue dealers do that ruins the experience of cue buying/collecting. I met Tony about 3 years ago. He was doing some really nice work at the time and I almost pulled the trigger on a design. I thank the cue gods that I didn't. He was a nice guy to talk to. However, he was starting to show signs of a backlog and people were posting about the dissatifaction.

Tikkler is getting a seriously raw deal. He is one the greats in this industry in that he commissions work from all types of cuemakers. Not just the super elite. He is kind and generous to many cuemakers on this forum. It truly is a shame that he has to deal with this load of crap. But it does happen to a lot people. To be fair, there are many cuemakers that could NEVER do such a thing as this.