Yes....
Plus, when has anything been 'standard ' for pro pool?
Aside from 1:2 table size, approximately nothing.
is the schmidt record legit or not
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Yes....
Plus, when has anything been 'standard ' for pro pool?
Aside from 1:2 table size, approximately nothing.
Then don't call it an exhibition.
Call it a 14.1 run.
Call it a 14.1 run.
Don't misunderstand me, Willie's ain't no good either. A signed witness letter doesn't mean anything when they agreed that a ball popping out of a pocket and landing on the floor is good. It was good because Willie said it was good, Sign Here!
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If you read that Letter to the Editor *carefully* you will read, right up front, the author of that letter say: “I’ve heard...” without attribution which means it is total hearsay and next to worthless. (Thanks, Bob Jewett.)
I could just as easily say I’ve heard JS played on a table with shaved slates, actually missed several balls but edited them out, and was fouling balls left and right.
But that wouldn’t be right, now would it.
Lou Figueroa
no, no
that wasn’t
a question
You're certainly welcome, Lou. Glad to help.
You're certainly welcome, Lou. Glad to help.
No problem, Bob.
At least some of us care about facts and are not into rumor mongering ;-)
Lou Figueroa
A rather specific and odd thing to make up. Seems to have a ring of truth to it with other stories about Willie.
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much more common then
I can't remember the last time that happened to me. It was much more common when I first started playing though and balls falling out of pockets in need of repair was common too. If any balls hit the floor there would be a big difference between them popping up out of the pocket and hitting the floor or going into the pocket and falling through a hole and hitting the floor. In the first case I can't remember a ball ever credited, in the second case it always was.
Hu
I can't remember the last time that happened to me. It was much more common when I first started playing though and balls falling out of pockets in need of repair was common too. If any balls hit the floor there would be a big difference between them popping up out of the pocket and hitting the floor or going into the pocket and falling through a hole and hitting the floor. In the first case I can't remember a ball ever credited, in the second case it always was.
Hu
Good observation Hu. For some reason it happened to me a few times years ago when my Diamond was new (the pockets are hard and formed like a reverse ramp.) It happened to Mike Dechaine in a tournament (Turning stone?) as well. But I think a ball falling through a detached web of a leather drop pocket wouldn't need a comment, a ball popping up and OVER the pocket would.
Anyone thought to call the pool hall or John and ask about the time difference.
If they are only open to the public at 1:00 and I believe I read John started his run at 10am or 11am.
I too don't see how it's would be considered a public exhibition if the place is closed for half the time when the run is supposed to be happening, if that was even the case.
If they are only open to the public at 1:00 and I believe I read John started his run at 10am or 11am.
I too don't see how it's would be considered a public exhibition if the place is closed for half the time when the run is supposed to be happening, if that was even the case.
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Ihad someone who lived nearby and had known the the2 old timers to be good people say there is no doubt in his mind that the thing is legit
all this sophisticated questioning just talk, honest people saw it,recorded it which should be enough evidence in lieu of nothing no facts
all this sophisticated questioning just talk, honest people saw it,recorded it which should be enough evidence in lieu of nothing no facts
witnesses
I haven't brought it up as a big issue but when the run was first announced it was claimed that four people had witnessed it start to finish. A few days later it was five people, then six, then eight. I guess the last two were a couple!
The witnesses included john's wife, the racker and his wife, the room owner, and I think his wife or someone working for him, maybe both. Claiming that anyone except maybe the racker watched every moment of this run is dubious at best. Remember this was number 1100 of his attempts according to an unbiased and somewhat scientific estimate.
Was anyone really glued to the table for one more attempt after so many failures? How did the number of witnesses double in size? Why were the owner and others involved in opening the business not getting the business ready to open instead of being glued to the table for yet another of the seemingly endless attempts? Did no customers come in wanting balls or coffee or the usual things?
Some of the people supposed to have witnessed the run from start to finish seem highly unlikely to have done so. My opinion, he has the video and perhaps one highly biased witness from start to finish, his racker. Every other witness is highly suspect when put to the standard of Willie Mosconi's run.
I don't know how many people watched Willie's run, I think thirty-seven or thirty-eight signed the affidavit that they had seen every moment of it. If that was out of sixty or more it is moderately plausible. If it was out of forty watchers I would be equally dubious about this claim, notarized affidavit and all. However, out of over three dozen claimers it is easy to believe some saw the run start to finish and that there were always impartial observers watching.
Willie had impartial witnesses. john has the video. If there is anything wrong with his video then the run becomes one more practice run, fairly meaningless in the scheme of things. Few know that Willie and others beat his official record. I bettered a world record unofficially, bettered it by a bunch. Not only did nobody else care, it means very little to me. A friend of mine did it when it mattered, the record is his! Right now despite the plaque john was given, any reasonable person would have to say the exhibition record is Willie's. The videoed practice record may be john's. Doesn't sound very good. Maybe the Video Record?
Hu
I haven't brought it up as a big issue but when the run was first announced it was claimed that four people had witnessed it start to finish. A few days later it was five people, then six, then eight. I guess the last two were a couple!
The witnesses included john's wife, the racker and his wife, the room owner, and I think his wife or someone working for him, maybe both. Claiming that anyone except maybe the racker watched every moment of this run is dubious at best. Remember this was number 1100 of his attempts according to an unbiased and somewhat scientific estimate.
Was anyone really glued to the table for one more attempt after so many failures? How did the number of witnesses double in size? Why were the owner and others involved in opening the business not getting the business ready to open instead of being glued to the table for yet another of the seemingly endless attempts? Did no customers come in wanting balls or coffee or the usual things?
Some of the people supposed to have witnessed the run from start to finish seem highly unlikely to have done so. My opinion, he has the video and perhaps one highly biased witness from start to finish, his racker. Every other witness is highly suspect when put to the standard of Willie Mosconi's run.
I don't know how many people watched Willie's run, I think thirty-seven or thirty-eight signed the affidavit that they had seen every moment of it. If that was out of sixty or more it is moderately plausible. If it was out of forty watchers I would be equally dubious about this claim, notarized affidavit and all. However, out of over three dozen claimers it is easy to believe some saw the run start to finish and that there were always impartial observers watching.
Willie had impartial witnesses. john has the video. If there is anything wrong with his video then the run becomes one more practice run, fairly meaningless in the scheme of things. Few know that Willie and others beat his official record. I bettered a world record unofficially, bettered it by a bunch. Not only did nobody else care, it means very little to me. A friend of mine did it when it mattered, the record is his! Right now despite the plaque john was given, any reasonable person would have to say the exhibition record is Willie's. The videoed practice record may be john's. Doesn't sound very good. Maybe the Video Record?
Hu
Annnnnd were of to another 600+ post thread about the greatest pool achievement ever
Ever
Ever
not much happening!
Not much happening right now. I'd take the under for $50 if post count wasn't so easily manipulated but we need something else happening. With glenn having sense enough to stay out of things or locked away from keyboards the thread about him is dying. Worked out though, a MAN stepped up to the plate in a big way.
Now, not that it matters but was john wearing one of those foppish feminine colored shirts when his alleged record attempt took place? Shorts? Those silly childish looking shoe laces? Did he have shoe laces?
Sheeee-yeeee-yiiit, we are just getting warmed up!
Hu
Not much happening right now. I'd take the under for $50 if post count wasn't so easily manipulated but we need something else happening. With glenn having sense enough to stay out of things or locked away from keyboards the thread about him is dying. Worked out though, a MAN stepped up to the plate in a big way.
Now, not that it matters but was john wearing one of those foppish feminine colored shirts when his alleged record attempt took place? Shorts? Those silly childish looking shoe laces? Did he have shoe laces?
Sheeee-yeeee-yiiit, we are just getting warmed up!
Hu
Do you expect this thread to be any different than the one you got tired of reading? I don't see how it could be.
Jeff
Serious question.
Were the pockets larger than the ones the Mosconi 526 was played on? I know the table was...
Are you really asking, or do you know the answer and you are Matlock'n us?