Its time for a pool players life story (movie)

how about Robbin Dodson? (apologies for spelling)Her life story is truly compelling. She grew up with the bunch from L.A., including McCready.
Robin Bell Dodson gets my vote for a movie also and I would like to have her son Drake Bell in also. Now your talking a series that could go on and on. Think of mass audience appeal that you would get from us and kids around Drake's age. I telling you this is the way to go. Some one with some vision please jump on this!!!! All I have available to me is Access Television but I am no where near California.
 
"Road Player"

Just read the book "Road Player" about Danny Diliberto and it was a great book and think it would be a pretty darn good movie. I'm a married 28 year old with a morgage and blah, blah, blah. I doubt people of my generation can dream of doing half the stuff he did. Not that it was all glamorous but the life he led is basically the complete opposite of the "normal" life people lead now. VERY interesting story.
 
I think what would be perfect would be following a road player level pool player through an entire lifetime of pool. The character could be finctional, and then have that character come into contact with many well known players of many era's.

If you ever read the book McGoorty, that is the type of story but start it in the 1950's.

Some 16 year old kid from New York or the like. Have him starting out in the pool hall, dropped out of school, watching the local talent and slowly learning at a nickle a game while working as a gas jockey to get that money he looses week after week. Quick scenes, the kid has a knack for the game and gets better fast.

Still has his heroes, that are yacked about in voiceover Goodfella's style "Little Joe, now THAT guy was a player, smooth as silk, noone in Junior's messed with him. Until one day." Show the road player coming in with his buddy or two, a recollection by the kid of a match that suddenly took place, phone calls flying out to backers, people crowding into the pool hall, some richer men with cash to put up on Little Joe, side action on the rail like crazy, and a battle for the cash that lasts hours.

With the voiceover still going we get the short version "We were all there to watch Little Joe take this guy down, he had no idea what he was getting into. Only, it seems he did. Little Joe shot good, better then I had seen him play. He was more focused, he was more methodical, he was shooting great. But he was losing. This guy playing Little Joe was flat out better. Little Joe had always seemed untouchable, every time you missed in a game against Little Joe it would cost you 50 points on average, only when Little Joe then missed back this guy would up and run 80 back. Once the dust settled Little Joe had lost, the whole of Juniors had lost close to $2,000 total. The next day in the pool room a few people talked about the match, some people were playing for nickles in the back corner, and Little Joe was sitting in his usual chair at bar drinking his usual coffee. It was like it had hardly happend, but it had, and I wanted to see more."

So the kid now 17 or 18 or so starts hitting other pool halls, we get the voiceover of the places he hits (famous pool halls of New York 101), hear about his rise in ability and starting to become one of the better and known players in New York, eventually even reaching the level of Little Joe, and realizing that there are many levels above when he gets the chance to watch the World Straight Pool Championships in New York with Ponzi, Caras, Crane, and last but not least Mosconi who wins the event for that year and leaves our lead character in awe.

And so, having pretty much become known in New York and getting only able to get action against the guys he cannot beat he hits the road with a buddy of his, also a player but not quite as good and with a screw loose and a knack for getting into trouble and loosing money on bad bets. We get a few scenes and moments of this early time on the road, some of the players, some of the scores, some of the loses, some of the women, some of the trouble. Eventually shit hits the proverbial fan and our lead character has to cut loose from his partner, we get the short voiceover version of what became of him.

And so on, through the ages, as the player matures from a 1950's greaser era kid as he finds the game and learns to become a decent player, following him across the USA on a backdrop of the 1960's hippy culture as he is now a young road player hitting all the various areas of the country, learning where to play, where not to play, and learning that the relatively new game of 9-ball is slowly taking over from Straight Pool. Follow him into the 1970's, now a older and more knowledgable player far more able to assess situations, far better known, now often when he enters a pool hall he is recognized, sometimes with a covert nod from a fellow player, sometimes with a laugh from the local champ who might have played had he not watched our character play "Pistol Pete" back in 68' in Missouri. We watch the world changing still, the 60's are over, the scene begins to shift, the musical background of the movie changes, the players change, the tournament scene starts to become more important. Move to the 1980's, our character now getting older, still shoots good but the scene is different now, the action of old times is almost gone.

And into the 1990's, our character now a older gentleman sitting in a pool hall watching some younger "kids" shooting pool, decent players, one might have a chance of making something. The whole pool scene now going international, the TV is showing a replay of the World 9-ball Championships, the players are a far cry from the players that the main character once knew as he remenices about past friends, competitors.

This type of movie would mostly be made up of alot of short scenes and happenings that help define the pool scene and the character just happens to be a part of. An example would be the story from Di'Leberto's book with Lassiter and the girl he liked. Pool matches such as took place in "Playing off the Rail". The Jansco Brother's tournaments. ect...

And all in the style of a trip through time much like Goodfella's with voiceover and the main character kind of leading teh journey much like Ray Liota did in that flick. Special detaill to the era's, like a trip through history, using the music of the era and the place. AKA when the character first hits California, driving down the road along the beach with the Beach Boys or California Sun by the Rivieras on the radio. You need to play to stuff like this.
 
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Pool Movie

One of the best pool stories is about the greatest player from the United States who many don't know. Tommy Sanders has beaten every great pool player from his generation (he is around 53). He's Taken Earl Stricklands money, Mike Sigel, the best players from all around. He is from Beaumont, TX. If you don't know him, ask some seasoned pros, they either know him or know a story about him. He is successful in another profession. Ask about him. You will learn that his story is one worth writing about.
 
I thinks you could also have a movie about two or more players. "A changing of the guard" type movie. The story of Efren would be great.

Here are a few suggested titles:

The Legend: Cesar Morales
The Filipino Kid
Beta and the Balls
The Magician (a little misleading to the public)
The Player from Angeles City

I agree, i always thought "The Magician" would make for a great epic story and a good misleading titlle.
 
Tommy Sanders

Interesting premise. Back in the early 90's,a tall thin guy comes into Fast Freddie's in Lake Charles looking for some action. I told him sorry,nobody in town with his speed! He looked at me as if I were a nut. I said,"You're Mark Tadd,and I can tell you,there's nobody in town who can beat you. However,if you go to Beaumont,there's a guy there who'll play you. Ask for Tommy the used car guy. That night Fred Wherlan,Gary,Me, I think Chris Miller went over to watch them joust for 2.5k a set. Cash posted up on the lights,Sanders looked as calm as the flat ocean,Tadd had that crooked looked like a cuetec that been runover cue stick.... I know some say that they have powerful breaks,but I have never seen explosions like these two guys traded!! Runout after runout! In the end,Tadd edged out Tommy one set ahead! The Used Car Man as a movie. This could be an interesting scenario because all the greats have been through Beaumont.
On a side note I spent a little time with Mark chatting and I sent him to New Orleans to the Sports Palace to play some One Hole and Banks. Anybody remember who he played? I know how it ended,he came back to LC...Bust!!
 
If I was going to make a movie about a pool player it would be Louie Roberts. His story has all the elements to make a great, but tragic, story.
 
McGorty - Hell Ive read the book and its probably fact based but it is too unbelivable to be believed.

McCready - Ive begged JAM to let me help with book, but I fear it will never be completed, but the book MUST be done before the movie. If it is told, it is obviously the most promising story out there.

Louis Roberts - Close to McCready in great story, and has the added twist that everyone has a explaination for his death, but nothing could or would be solved.

Kid Delicious - Probably the closest to actually having a movie possiblilty. But lacks the story twists and turns that KM or LR has.

Buddy Hall, Billy Incardona, Grady, the list goes on and on.

Ken
 
if there's going to be a semi-biographical movie about any pool player it has to be of jeanette lee. i realize why a lot of people would want a story about old school players such as buddy hall, keith etc. but to be honest, the general public does not care about either of those players. jeanette lee is probably one of the most famous pool players to have ever lived. we all know efren is the greatest but u ask anyone who doesnt know anything about pool who efren is and they wont have a clue. that same person might have at least heard of jeanette lee since she is so widely promoted, i think she was a rep for rocawear too if i remember correctly. on top of that she was on american choppers i think so if there is going to be a movie it has to be on jeanette lee.

plus her story is pretty interesting, a female pool player growing up in brooklyn (i think its brooklyn) she has had her share of stories as well. on top of that she has had back problems which have interfered with her career and that would make for a more dramatic story on top of everything else.

my point is to us she might not be the best choice since there are better players out there, but if u want the movie to be a success u need to make the movie based on a person that a lot of people know. all the names that have been suggested so far are only famous to pool players, no one else knows who they are.
 
I reckon if we are talking legend then you can't look past hall of famer johnny archer, I for one would think that a movie about his life would be really interesting.
 
I think a pool mini-series would be better than a movie. Have it following a road player gathering info on/setting up a big game every episode or something. Maybe the main character going from unknown to cant-get-a-game in that time would make for good conflict in the overall story.
 
if there's going to be a semi-biographical movie about any pool player it has to be of jeanette lee. i realize why a lot of people would want a story about old school players such as buddy hall, keith etc. but to be honest, the general public does not care about either of those players.

She might be the most known player to the general public but that number of actually people who know her is still absurdly small. The truly most recognizable name in pool is in fact Mosconi. That name will bring far more recognition to the average person on the street then Jeanette Lee. And his own story with his upbringing as a VERY young kid/phenom who went up against the world champ at a tremendously young age and then a short while later was on the road with Greenleaf doing exhibitions and learning from the greatest straight pool player to ever live up to that time. Rising to absolutely dominate the straight pool world, ticking off some of his peers in the process with his extremely fast play being seen as disrespectful. A stroke cutting his career short, his work on "The Hustler", and his later life disagreements and matches with the one guy that is even more famous in the pool world (much to the chagrine of Mosconi), Minnesota Fats.

If you want pure recognition then do a Mosconi movie.

As far as Lee, oh joy, lets watch a movie about a self promoting pool player and her struggles in life with.... back problems. Maybe we could add in some more drama, an ingrown toenail perhaps. Add in the fact that she has been completely dominated in the last decade plus by Fisher, Kim, Corr, and numberous other female players who are flat out better players. As a pool player who likes the game and knows who Lee is I assure you I would not bother going to watch a movie about her. And most of those people with a glimmer of recognition on the name are not going to bother either as her actual life story is bloody dry compared to alot of the players out there.

I would MUCH rather watch a movie about Jean Balukas, she actually does have an intriguing story and quit the game when she was the best player in the world.
 
I think a good movie would be about the old Banks and One Pocket players.

Bugs Rucker, Grady Matthews, The Beard, Truman Hogue. Plenty of Stories and Grady already has a great title "Kiss Low and Bet High". Can you imagine the script that could be made from their collection of stories?
 
She might be the most known player to the general public but that number of actually people who know her is still absurdly small. The truly most recognizable name in pool is in fact Mosconi. That name will bring far more recognition to the average person on the street then Jeanette Lee. And his own story with his upbringing as a VERY young kid/phenom who went up against the world champ at a tremendously young age and then a short while later was on the road with Greenleaf doing exhibitions and learning from the greatest straight pool player to ever live up to that time. Rising to absolutely dominate the straight pool world, ticking off some of his peers in the process with his extremely fast play being seen as disrespectful. A stroke cutting his career short, his work on "The Hustler", and his later life disagreements and matches with the one guy that is even more famous in the pool world (much to the chagrine of Mosconi), Minnesota Fats.

If you want pure recognition then do a Mosconi movie.

As far as Lee, oh joy, lets watch a movie about a self promoting pool player and her struggles in life with.... back problems. Maybe we could add in some more drama, an ingrown toenail perhaps. Add in the fact that she has been completely dominated in the last decade plus by Fisher, Kim, Corr, and numberous other female players who are flat out better players. As a pool player who likes the game and knows who Lee is I assure you I would not bother going to watch a movie about her. And most of those people with a glimmer of recognition on the name are not going to bother either as her actual life story is bloody dry compared to alot of the players out there.

I would MUCH rather watch a movie about Jean Balukas, she actually does have an intriguing story and quit the game when she was the best player in the world.

Mosconi was an a$$hole.

He seldom bet, and generally did just what he had to do to get the Brunswick checks to keep coming.

Not my idea of a exciting story.

Ken
 
As far as Lee, oh joy, lets watch a movie about a self promoting pool player and her struggles in life with.... back problems. Maybe we could add in some more drama, an ingrown toenail perhaps. Add in the fact that she has been completely dominated in the last decade plus by Fisher, Kim, Corr, and numberous other female players who are flat out better players. As a pool player who likes the game and knows who Lee is I assure you I would not bother going to watch a movie about her. And most of those people with a glimmer of recognition on the name are not going to bother either as her actual life story is bloody dry compared to alot of the players out there.

I would MUCH rather watch a movie about Jean Balukas, she actually does have an intriguing story and quit the game when she was the best player in the world.

way to trivialize what jeanette has done. as if being a female pool player in brooklyn is the easiest thing in the world. and yea there are better female players but are u gonna sit there and tell me that hollywood or the american audience want to watch a movie about snooker players from overseas who came over and started playing pool?

jean balukas would be a great story but the ending would suck. as we all know, if the ending sucks, no one will watch it. mosconi might work but then u would lose half of the viewing audience as i doubt many women would want to watch that.

not directing this at u but another point i wanna bring up is that people on here always complain about how pool is always seen in a negative light and how whenever someone talks about pool all they focus in on is gambling and hustling. but when someone floats the idea of making a movie, all people suggest are gambling and hustling stories.
 
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If they haven't been mentioned yet, I'd like to add Gene Nagy and Tony Elin to the discussions.

As far as McGoorty goes, the scene in the doctor's office where he relieves his infection would become one of the most memorable in cinema history.

Fred <~~~ getting sick thinking about receiving the hammer
 
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I say Ralph Greenleaf. period films are still in vogue, and the public doesn't need to know the person to be interested. How many people knew who James Braddock was before Cinderella Man came out? I suspect only boxing connoisseurs
 
I think Billy Joe Burge AKA "Cornbread Red"'s life story would make one hell of a movie. It could be based on the book by Bob Henning "Cornbread Red -- Pool's Greatest Money Player".

BTW, if you haven't read the book I highly recommend you do so. It's one hell of a good read!
 
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