Jasmin Suspended

There is a world of difference between Tiger Woods & Jasmin. Apples & oranges.
pooltchr said:
I hate comparisons to other sports, but just for a minute consider this. What does the PGA do to Tiger Woods if he decides to pass on a tournament in Podunk, USA to warm up for the Masters? The answer is, not a darn thing.

I think the WPBA needs the likes of JO more than she needs them. Let's hope cooler heads prevail.

Steve
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I hope I am not considered as just another justice seeking male going to the rescue of a female with a young supple body and a pretty face, but here goes. Jasmin applied for a wavier, the waiver was turned down, Jasmin played in the WPA event, the WPBA punished Jasmin, Jasmin appealed and before the appeal is considered the punishment is administered.
Could the punishment be held up until there is a ruling on the appeal. If Jasmin is to be ultiminately suspended for two tournaments---couldn't they be tournaments held later in the year?
 
sjm said:
I'll start by giving very high marks to the posters in this thread for having framed the key issues so well. This subject is one which so many of us care deeply about and it shows in our posts and remarks.

The only thing I find unsettling is that some feel that the WPBA organization is unable to understand all the issues involved. Just as we understand them, the WPBA understands all the aspects and implications of Jasmin's participation in the WTBC.

The positives, they understand, are positive press for one of their player members and potentially increased respect for women's pro pool, which could ultimately help the WPBA.

The negatives, which they also understand, are what have been taken a bit too lightly in this thread, and they are significant and substantial. Exclusive rights may be the single biggest reason that the WPBA has lasted for over 30 years. It is the reason that the WPBA representatives can approach possible title and event sponsors and obtain sanctioning fees that are large enough to fund a solid WPBA prize fund that has grown continuosly over the years and the costs of the TV productions that have helped make the WPBA a brand name in pool.

In negotiations with the venue sponsor for WPBA Oregon, the WPBA was able to promise the participation of certain players, defending champion Jasmin Ouschan among them, barring unusual contingencies such as retirement, disability, illness, or personal tragedy. In return for its commitment to deliver the product as promised, the WPBA collects a sanctioning fee from the Chinook Winds Casino in Oregon. Along with Jeanette, Jasmin is probably the most marketable player on the WPBA tour, and you can be sure that Jasmin's picture appeared on the posters and ads prepared by Chinook Winds advertising the event.

Now put yourself in the position of the Chinook Winds Casino in Oregon. You paid the sanctioning fee and the WPBA didn't deliver the product as defined. The defending champion, whose image appeared in all your advertising for the event, did not participate. Are you upset? You bet you are!

Now put yourself in the position of the next potential venue sponsor that the WPBA approaches in hope of signing a contract to have an event. You noticed that the sanctioning fee was paid by the Chinook Winds Casino in Oregon but the WPBA didn't deliver its best prodcut, with one of its headliners playing in another event played the very same weekend. You ask for an explanation of what real assurance you have that the women's pro pool product as promised will be delivered by the WPBA.

Now put yourself in the position of the WPBA, which must answer this uncomfortable question. The only answer you can offer that will leave you with anything but egg on your face is that the player that played in the competing event was in breach of her WPBA contract and was, therefore, insubordinate, in the matter.

So, what are we to make of all this? The fact is that there are enormous, but not necessarily obvious, implications tied to the incident with Jasmin. That's why Jasmin, in her statement, conceded that she understood that the WPBA was protecting its tour through its actions. Don't sell Jasmin short. She is wise and mature far beyond her years, and fully understands these subjects.

To those who think granting a waiver here should have been a no-brainer for the WPBA, try to appreciate all the implications of granting such a waiver.

As the waiver was not granted, Jasmin knowingly violated a policy that has been fundamental to the sustenance of the only American pro pool tour that has withstood the test of time.

P.S.
As JohnnyT wisely notes, perhaps the player contract needs a rewrite. The players themselves can propose any changes they like, and if they feel that modifications in the exclusivity and waiver rules are needed, they can propose the changes that they see fit. I leave it in the capable hands of the players to determine whether such changes are required.
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wonder if the WPBA had the time to sit down with the casino and explain how huge a deal it would be, if we let her go play and she gets in the top 5, let alone win

or did they just say no, so she would have to play at the casino(so they thought)
 
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Mowem down said:
wonder if the WPBA had the time to sit down with the casino and explain how huge a deal it would be, if we let her go play and she gets in the top 5, let alone win

or did they just say no, so she would have to play at the casino(so they thought)
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A casino doing business with the WPBA is no more than a purchaser of a product. The management of and accurate presentation of their pro pool product to potential buyers is the sole domain of the WPBA.
 
sjm said:
A casino doing business with the WPBA is no more than a purchaser of a product. The management of and accurate presentation of their pro pool product to potential buyers is the sole domain of the WPBA.
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good point...my thinking was along the lines of if they wanted her to go did they have time to explain to the "buyer" why the defending champ wouldnt be there, and the overall gravity of the situation..

i must admit i was going to go down there to play in some mini's, and was not happy when i figured out she wasnt going to be there. But the better she did at the tourny the happier i got.
 
Tennesseejoe said:
I hope I am not considered as just another justice seeking male going to the rescue of a female with a young supple body and a pretty face, but here goes. Jasmin applied for a wavier, the waiver was turned down, Jasmin played in the WPA event, the WPBA punished Jasmin, Jasmin appealed and before the appeal is considered the punishment is administered.
Could the punishment be held up until there is a ruling on the appeal. If Jasmin is to be ultiminately suspended for two tournaments---couldn't they be tournaments held later in the year?
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There's that 'supple body' again. Where did we hear that before? I remember it was real creepy.
 
Tennesseejoe said:
I hope I am not considered as just another justice seeking male going to the rescue of a female with a young supple body and a pretty face, but here goes. Jasmin applied for a wavier, the waiver was turned down, Jasmin played in the WPA event, the WPBA punished Jasmin, Jasmin appealed and before the appeal is considered the punishment is administered.
Could the punishment be held up until there is a ruling on the appeal. If Jasmin is to be ultiminately suspended for two tournaments---couldn't they be tournaments held later in the year?
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There's that 'supple body' again. Where did we hear that before? I remember it was real creepy.
 
The WPBA Board has spoken. Suspended for two tour dates. Acording to the coments from the WPBA Jasmin is just now apealing. It's on AZ Billiards home page. I thought she apealed before the National Championships at HardRock Cafe in FL. Johnnyt
 
Johnnyt said:
The WPBA Board has spoken. Suspended for two tour dates. Acording to the coments from the WPBA Jasmin is just now apealing. It's on AZ Billiards home page. I thought she apealed before the National Championships at HardRock Cafe in FL. Johnnyt
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She did appeal prior to the Hard Rock event and she could have participated in that event since the penalties are put on hold until the appeal is settled. Both Jasmin and her manager were aware of this, but withdrew from the event anyhow.
 
Melissa Herndon said:
She did appeal prior to the Hard Rock event and she could have participated in that event since the penalties are put on hold until the appeal is settled. Both Jasmin and her manager were aware of this, but withdrew from the event anyhow.
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Thank you Melissa for clearing that up. Johnnyt
 
Interesting that she chose not to compete in this event, even though she was allowed...

As far as I know she didn't play in any other tournaments the last week, so I guess she had time to play the tournament.
 
Melissa Herndon said:
She did appeal prior to the Hard Rock event and she could have participated in that event since the penalties are put on hold until the appeal is settled. Both Jasmin and her manager were aware of this, but withdrew from the event anyhow.
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So will this be counted as one of the events she has to miss against her suspension?

If not, will she be penalized for missing this one?
 
The WPBAs PR is BS. The tour needs Jasmin and it is better for them if she competes in other tournaments and brings more attention to herself and thus the tour. I think the WPBA needs to rethink its stance on this issue in a hurry. The WPBA looks like the bad guy here and its only going to hurt them.

Ben
 
I need to preface this with the fact that I read the first 4 pages the day they were posted but have not read anything past that except this (current) last page. Anything inbetween there & here, I haven't had a chance to see so please forgive me if I repeat something that has already been said or if something has already been answered previously. I don't like to post in a thread unless I've read the whole thing but with work lately, I haven't had that luxury here.

Melissa Herndon said:
She did appeal prior to the Hard Rock event and she could have participated in that event since the penalties are put on hold until the appeal is settled. Both Jasmin and her manager were aware of this, but withdrew from the event anyhow.
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Thank you for this insightful info. Multi-thread pages on a story where only one side is known never ceases to amaze me. :rolleyes: Now that we've heard some credible info from the second side, I expect multiple pages to be added to this thread again.

supergreenman said:
So will this be counted as one of the events she has to miss against her suspension?
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Why should it? She was allowed to play in that event and didn't by her own choice, not by the WPBA telling her she couldn't. IMO, it shouldn't count as one of her two. She only hurt herself by not playing in the event. If she wins her appeal, then any tournament she misses of her own fruition will negate the whole point of the appeal. She was appealing in order to maintain her ranking, etc and not playing in an event that she was allowed to play in was not the brightest move as far as I can see from the cheap seats but I could be missing something.

supergreenman said:
If not, will she be penalized for missing this one?
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That's a good question, IMO. Doesn't make sense that you have to get permission to miss one event but don't have to get permission to not attend another event. :shrug:

railfirst said:
I think the WPBA needs to rethink its stance on this issue in a hurry. The WPBA looks like the bad guy here and its only going to hurt them.
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If they back down they lose the respect of the other members and they would also lose their ability to maintain a structured enviornment which is the one thing that has allowed them to continue to have a tour all these years. Others could start doing whatever they wanted, whenever they wanted as it pertains to the WPBA's rules because they might feel that there's really no consequence so why follow the "rule" if nothing's going to happen anyway. They could easily lose the control that is needed in order to maintain the tour.

They can't alienate all the other members just to give one player preferential treatment. At the end of the day, how long do you think the tour would last if the only person on tour was Jasmin herself? The WPBA survived the loss of Jean Balukas and sadly (for Jasmin and all of us that enjoy seeing her play) the WPBA would survive without Jasmin but it wouldn't survive without all the other players. If those other players get disenfranchised with the preferential treatment that they themselves would not get and they leave the WPBA, then what?
 
Melissa Herndon said:
She did appeal prior to the Hard Rock event and she could have participated in that event since the penalties are put on hold until the appeal is settled. Both Jasmin and her manager were aware of this, but withdrew from the event anyhow.
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Wow, it is a whole different ball game now. Big mistake Jasmin has made with the withdrawal of the recent event. It now defeats the purpose of her appeal. Based on this information and what I read today, Jasmin's only choice is to abide by the WPBA ruling and accept the two game suspension.
 
supergreenman said:
So will this be counted as one of the events she has to miss against her suspension?

If not, will she be penalized for missing this one?
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I can only guess that Jasmin missing this last event can only add to the previous suspension.

Future not looking too bright for Jasmin....
 
Melissa Herndon said:
She did appeal prior to the Hard Rock event and she could have participated in that event since the penalties are put on hold until the appeal is settled. Both Jasmin and her manager were aware of this, but withdrew from the event anyhow.
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So is Jasmin going to get another 2 tournament suspension for deliberately missing the Hard Rock event?

I hope she doesn't end up in limbo not allowed to play in the WPBA and not allowed in men's events either.
 
railfirst said:
The WPBAs PR is BS. The tour needs Jasmin and it is better for them if she competes in other tournaments and brings more attention to herself and thus the tour. I think the WPBA needs to rethink its stance on this issue in a hurry. The WPBA looks like the bad guy here and its only going to hurt them.

Ben
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She was clearly given the opportunity to compete pending her appeal but instead she decided to sit it out and sulk. Hopefully this is a result of her being young and her manager giving her bad advice. I'd hate to think that Jasmin has gone Diva on us, but it sure is looking that way.
 
I have a hunch she won't come back back on the WPBA Tour. She's old enough and mature enough to make up her own mind. Her coach can only advise her. People that know her would know if she really needs to play in the WPBA. I don't really know, but it looks like she has enough sponsorship w/o them. At the least I think she might take next year off the WPBA Tour. It's a shame. I can understand both sides of this though. Johnnyt
 
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