Neither did Babe Cranfield, who had the previous record, 768. The Babe got to running around the table. 3 minutes would have been slow for him.
Jayson Shaw’s 832 World Record is Official
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Not going there. Your gig, Your action.
Texas Carom guy mentioned dwindling interest. Me offers why and alternative. TCC is offended. I went to PMs.
My point exactly. FAIC nobody's even getting up; hence, focusing the challenge at what players _will_do.
yes should be out soon
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To take nothing away from his record accomplishment, I think a lot of us would like to see how many balls Jayson could run on a standard 4-1/2” Diamond after attempting for a few days in comparison to his 832 on 5” pockets. My guess would be likely less than 400. That 1/2” makes an absolutely huge difference, particularly in regards to 14.1 high runs.
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I think smaller pockets would make a difference in two major ways other than just rejecting marginal shots. To be more accurate, I think Jayson would have to slow down, and with less pocket to use, moving the cue ball and bumping balls would be harder.
As for what sort of run we might expect, Filler ran 285 on 4 1/2 pockets while Orcullo ran 260 on 4 1/4 at the last DCC 14.1. I don't think either one had more than 20 tries. In the right situation, I think we could see 527 if those two and Jayson and a couple of others were trying on half a dozen tables for a week. I think 800 is very unlikely, but then I thought that we would never see 200 at DCC, and it became standard in later years.
Cheating the pocket as well as finding and executing locked combo/carom pack shots gets way tougher on 4-1/2” pockets.
FWIW there was no reply sep that ^^^^
before the american 14.1 changed to 4.5" diamonds in 2018-ish it was never even a consideration to play straight pool tournaments on that tight equipment. i remember the discussion here on how much it would take away from the level of play. turns out it didn't, filler ran 285 one year in that tournament (to top shane's similar number) and we've seen some impressive runs at DCC diamonds too. i would guess 400+ is achievable.
260 on 4.25 is impressive. I've got to think the 1/4" from 4.5 to 4.25 starts to really make a big difference.
What does that even mean?
be careful what you ask for!
Pros take advantage of the loose conditions to fire at will. Tighten those conditions and the hemming and hawing commences. Poolers wanna freewheel what they know and collect the cash. They haven't spent the time to even master their genre much less excel when mastery is a requisite. IMO the #1 reason for the handful containing Filler, Gorst, Shaw... you know the list.
Diminishing pocket size does one tangible thing. It minimizes the chances of gravy. So I wonder, why for instance you don't hear word one about drills to explore how a 14 ball rack opens up. First random drill idea I get is go around the 14 ball rack and shoot into each ball at all available angles and speeds to see what actually happens. After 10 years or so, you should have a pretty good idea and more important, <maximize> the potential for good rolls. Possibilities are endless.
I don't have a Diamond table at my poolroom and I can answer for him that he won't be trying on a Diamond. It's very hard on his body to do this and he just got a pinched nerve from the World Record run. His focus is 1000 balls and a standard table will be the only table he will or anyone will ever try on.
I'd bet if you would even put up a large amount like 50k for a 400 ball run on a Diamond he wouldn't try because that's not what he's focused on.
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I don’t think there’s a pro alive outside of maybe John Schmidt who spares a second thought about Jayson having this record. Fair play to Jayson, it’s certainly an impressive feat, but I don’t think most of the pool world really cares about this record. Certainly not enough to spend time trying to beat it.
Just a reminder that diamonds blow.
Even if they actually stopped being pinball machines so you actually have to stroke a ball instead of poke it, unless you trim that stupid shelf of slate inside the pocket, (stupidest table design in the history of pool) they will always be the worst table.
Guy runs a record THAT NOBODY ELSE IS GONNA TOUCH, and people are complainig about pocket size and theorizing about what the run might be on trash diamond tables.
Even if they actually stopped being pinball machines so you actually have to stroke a ball instead of poke it, unless you trim that stupid shelf of slate inside the pocket, (stupidest table design in the history of pool) they will always be the worst table.
Guy runs a record THAT NOBODY ELSE IS GONNA TOUCH, and people are complainig about pocket size and theorizing about what the run might be on trash diamond tables.