Jeanette Lee in Fox Sports List

straybullet said:
Whats the use????

Dear Dr. Colin

Im not picking hairs. I was not being hostile. I posted some things about Jeanette that I thought Marissa should know about her. Quit playing this game where you try to act intellectually superior to everyone. You're only impressing yourself - and looking like an idiot in the process. It's annoying. How's that for being psychoanalytical? You're welcome. No need to respond, no need for a PM - you're defending Marissa in hopes that someday you might get some. So quit trying to paint me as a mean person - and dont you dare try to insinuate that I don't know what I'm talking about because I'll embarrass you and I'll do it with a smile on my face. The Redneck America statement she made was ridiculous. Not being of Asian heritage (Living in China doesnt count) you wouldn't understand where I am coming from - but Marissa does - so I pointed it out to her. Once again - thanks for trying to take another cheap shot at me - Here's all your ammunition - go cry to Mike and go tell on me - tell him how hostile I am... Wahhhhhhhhhhhh. Once again we have another thread go into the dumper for the same reason. Imagine that. I think I've more than scrutinized your scrutinization.

PS: Nobody like a pompous pain in the ass - just a tip.
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I'm a relatively new member here. I have never participated in any flame war. I don't know a single person here on the forums, and I join no alliances. So I'm speaking as a purely objective observer. At least from this thread, YOU are the one out of line Straybullet. Colin is completely correct, Marissa said nothing wrong. It is you that is creating trouble where there in none.

Anyways, let's try to stick with the topic of the thread, shall we? I agree with Marissa...the statement that Jeanette Lee is the "most feared" pool player is simply inaccurate. She got a spot on the article simply because she is the most recognized pool player in America. And no, I am not taking anything away from Jeanette Lee and her accomplishments (and neither was Marissa). The simple fact is that you can think of dozens of other pool players that are more feared, simply because they are *better* than J. Lee as of this moment.
 
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I am wondering if any of the Asians on this forum feel that people in the Western culture have a different set of beauty standard when it comes to which Asian is hot and which is not?

Richard
 
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Nit said:
Based on the pictures of the two, I'm with straybullet.
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I don't know, but ... "Her" website just so happens to be the same exact website as "Debra Li's" (in fact, the website says that's her name) only now, the pictures of the original Debra Li (lets just call that one "Debra Li v1.0") have been replaced with this Debra Li's ("Debra Li v2.0", for future reference) pictures. Very interesting. Wasn't it SplinterHands that turned out to be Debra Li v1.0? Or am I confusing SplinterHands with another user that was banned?

Debra Li v2.0?
 
I've admired Jeanette's competitive intensity up close for many years now, and she truly is a fighter.

Nonetheless, if the list was of the 1000 most feared athletes, I would have been pleasantly surprised if even one pool player made the list.

When these types of lists are devised, they are often biased in favor of the interests of the organization putting the list together.

As Fox Sports will be getting involved, through the IPT telecast of Sigel vs Jones, with pro pool for the very first time, their motivation to include a pool player on their list is obvious. Given that, why not pick the pool player with the greatest name recognition in the sport?

The most feared athlete (posibly excepting the punishing linebacker Lawrence Taylor) in my lifetime is, without question, Shaquille O'Neal, who didn't even make the top ten on this list.

Mike Tyson doesn't belong in the Top 500. Jeanette's selection is good for pool, so even though this is a curious list, we should all take pleasure in it.
 
sjm said:
The most feared athlete (posibly excepting the punishing linebacker Lawrence Taylor) in my lifetime is, without question, Shaquille O'Neal, who didn't even make the top ten on this list.
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MJ didn't make the list either. I think players feared having to play the Bulls back then because, in his prime, he'd just embarrass teams.
 
sjm said:
I've admired Jeanette's competitive intensity up close for many years now, and she truly is a fighter.

Nonetheless, if the list was of the 1000 most feared athletes, I would have been pleasantly surprised if even one pool player made the list.

When these types of lists are devised, they are often biased in favor of the interests of the organization putting the list together.

As Fox Sports will be getting involved, through the IPT telecast of Sigel vs Jones, with pro pool for the very first time, their motivation to include a pool player on their list is obvious. Given that, why not pick the pool player with the greatest name recognition in the sport?
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I hate to disagree with you sjm, but I must. Why not pick the pool player with the greatest name recognition in the sport? There's an easy answer as to why you shouldn't...because it would be completely inaccurate to the question at hand if you do. The article lists the *most feared* athletes...not who is the most recognizable or who is the best ambassador to the sport. Bottom line is Jeanette Lee is not even close to being the most feared athlete in pool, because she is simply not the best pool player right now (i'm safely assuming that being feared and being good are closely correlated). There are countless of male players who are simply better than Lee. Also, Lee is not even the best woman pool player today. That goes to Allison Fisher, and Karen Corr is a distant second. If you ask anyone on the WPBA who they would *fear* more, they would most definitely pick Allison Fisher over Jeanette Lee. My point is, labeling her as the most feared player in pool is simply NOT TRUE. Not only that, but placing Jeanette Lee over Allison Fisher or Efren Reyes (or Strickland, or Archer, or Bustamante...etc.) is simply an injustice to the better pool players.
 
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jsp said:
I hate to disagree with you sjm, but I must. Why not pick the pool player with the greatest name recognition in the sport? There's an easy answer as to why you shouldn't...because it would be completely inaccurate to the question at hand if you do. The article lists the *most feared* athletes....
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JSP,
I don't usually get involved in semantics, but you seem to be contradicting yourself. The person "most" feared IS the most recognizable to the most people (NOT just pool fanatics like ourselves).

There is no question that JL is the most recognizable name in pool according to a WPBA marketing study. No other pool player registered even a blip on the screen. No one is saying she is the best 9-ball player - just the most recognizable to the most people.

In your defense, however, several of the other athlete's on the list were picked because of their dominance in their area. Other's however were picked for their bad behavior, or in Jeanette's case, because of her notoriety.

P.S. - For those members who think that pool is more than just 9-ball would be interested to know that the high run all-time for women at 14.1 is 152 by JL in a game with our own SJM. He claims the equipment was tough.
 
Williebetmore said:
The person "most" feared IS the most recognizable to the most people (NOT just pool fanatics like ourselves).
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In most cases this is true, but not when it comes to people like JL or Anna Kornikova; they are most recognized for attributes other than their skill at their respective game.

Let me ask you a question: If Allison and Jeanette were to put all their money/assets on the line in a race to 13...

Who would be more scared? Who would be more intimidated?

-Roger
 
Sweet Marissa said:
I think Efren would fall into that category, if anyone.
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I would vote for Chao personally. He is the stone faced killer and when the cash is on the table he is supposed to be seriously tough to beat.
 
Jimmy M. said:
I wonder if I could start a flame war thread if I proclaimed that grass was green.
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Well come up to Canada atm and there might be some evidence to the contrary. :p
 
Celtic said:
Well come up to Canada atm and there might be some evidence to the contrary. :p
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Along those lines ...

There was a classroom full of students and the teacher's word for the day was "definitely". The exercise that the kids had was to come up with a proper sentence using the word "definitely" and that sentence had to be a true statement. The teacher first called on Suzie who stood up and said, "The sky is definitely blue", to which the teacher replied, "that's a proper sentence, but it isn't a true statement. Depending on time of day, or weather conditions, the sky isn't always blue". Next the teacher called on Sarah who stood up and said, "Grass is definitely green", to which the teacher, again, replied, "that's a proper sentence, but not a true statement. Depending on whether or not the grass is alive, or the type of grass, it isn't always green". Finally, the teacher called on little Johnny who had been waving his hand frantically the entire time. He jumped up and asked the teacher, "Is a fart lumpy?" The teacher, a little embarrassed, replied, "Well, no", to which Johnny replied, "Well then 'I definitely sh*t my pants'"!
 
Jimmy M. said:
Along those lines ...

There was a classroom full of students and the teacher's word for the day was "definitely". The exercise that the kids had was to come up with a proper sentence using the word "definitely" and that sentence had to be a true statement. The teacher first called on Suzie who stood up and said, "The sky is definitely blue", to which the teacher replied, "that's a proper sentence, but it isn't a true statement. Depending on time of day, or weather conditions, the sky isn't always blue". Next the teacher called on Sarah who stood up and said, "Grass is definitely green", to which the teacher, again, replied, "that's a proper sentence, but not a true statement. Depending on whether or not the grass is alive, or the type of grass, it isn't always green". Finally, the teacher called on little Johnny who had been waving his hand frantically the entire time. He jumped up and asked the teacher, "Is a fart lumpy?" The teacher, a little embarrassed, replied, "Well, no", to which Johnny replied, "Well then 'I definitely sh*t my pants'"!
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I haven't heard a Johnny joke in years. Classic :D

no-sho
 
iconcue said:
no offense but a comparison between jeanette lee and anna kournikova in their respective sports is absurd!
anna kournikova never won a single professional tournament and only cracked the top ten at no.8 once in her career.
while both are attractive females their is no comparison as to level of acheivment in their chosen sports.
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To the defense of buddha162, his comparison between jeanette lee and anna kournikova is an excellent and most appropriate comparison if you take a look at the statement he was replying to...which is this one...

Williebetmore said:
JSP, I don't usually get involved in semantics, but you seem to be contradicting yourself. The person "most" feared IS the most recognizable to the most people (NOT just pool fanatics like ourselves).
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Buddha was just giving an example of how this statement is NOT always true...and I think an example of anna kournikova to the tennis world is an excellent counter-example to Williebetmore's statement. Kournikova is clearly the most recognizable person in tennis. Does that automatically mean she is the *most feared* on the tennis court? Well, sure, if you think "feared" and "sexy" mean the same thing. So Willibetmore, can you further explain how i'm contradicting myself?
 
Jimmy M. said:
I wonder if I could start a flame war thread if I proclaimed that grass was green.
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Kentucky Blue Grass & California Sensimia??

You Instigator!!! :D
 
iconcue said:
no offense but a comparison between jeanette lee and anna kournikova in their respective sports is absurd!
anna kournikova never won a single professional tournament and only cracked the top ten at no.8 once in her career.
while both are attractive females their is no comparison as to level of acheivment in their chosen sports.
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Kournikova won two ITF singles tournaments and has been ranked number one in doubles with 16 WTA titles in doubles including a Grand Slam.

http://www.wtatour.com/players/playerprofiles/playerbio.asp?PlayerID=110375
 
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jsp said:
I'm a relatively new member here. I have never participated in any flame war. I don't know a single person here on the forums, and I join no alliances. So I'm speaking as a purely objective observer. At least from this thread, YOU are the one out of line Straybullet. Colin is completely correct, Marissa said nothing wrong. It is you that is creating trouble where there in none.

Anyways, let's try to stick with the topic of the thread, shall we? I agree with Marissa...the statement that Jeanette Lee is the "most feared" pool player is simply inaccurate. She got a spot on the article simply because she is the most recognized pool player in America. And no, I am not taking anything away from Jeanette Lee and her accomplishments (and neither was Marissa). The simple fact is that you can think of dozens of other pool players that are more feared, simply because they are *better* than J. Lee as of this moment.
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Seems this way to me as well.
 
jsp said:
So Willibetmore, can you further explain how i'm contradicting myself?
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JSP,
Easily. My reasoning was based on that survey that showed some fair number of Americans recognized JL (???40%??? - I don't remember exactly), the next best pool player was under 1% (that percentage I remember).

Therefore, if 1% of the 100,000 pool fanatics like us (who are aware that she exists) are afraid to match up evenly with Allison Fisher; then 1,000 of us fear her. If 1% of the 100 million people who recognize JL (was it 40% of americans polled who recognized her in that survey????) are afraid to lay money on the line to gamble with JL, then 1 million people fear her. As I said, its all just semantics. I'm talking numbers of people fearing, you are talking about intensity of fear - in my view both of us are correct.

P.S. - On a "good back day" for JL she is very capable of top flight 9-ball, perhaps you have seen the two matches in the past 2 years where she beats Allison 7-0. In one of them Allison comes to the table only 3 times, scratches 3 times, and does not pocket a single ball - definitely one of my favorite matches ever (though Allison is also one of my many favorite players).
 
The article was based on "intimidation factor" portrayed ...

All of them are or were ranked at one time or another, that is why they made the list in the first place....but that was not what the list was based on.

It is the nature of her personality at the table...She gets the growl on her face when she plays...It could be intimidating...Allison does not growl at the table...(she just beats you sensless)

I don't agree with the comparison to AK and JL ....I would compare Janette to either of the Williams sisters in Tennis.....

What surprises me is that there is no Tank Abbot or Ken Shamrock on that list, or any MMA fighters for that matter.....
 
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