Jelly, Jelly, Jelly .........

Cannonball55

Cannonball55

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"..... jelly stays on my mind"

Hi,

I was talking to a good friend the other day about it and it was clear that this is a subject that many of us in the pool community disagree on...

Here's my question : Is a player justified for expecting jelly? I think it depends on the situation and there is no clear cut right and wrong when it comes to jelly just a lot of gray area ....

Many people disagree about this but i think if you've made money on the horse you bought in the calcutta ( especially if it was a decent amount ) you should throw your horse a jellyroll . Now, do i think that the player is entitled to the jelly and approach you with the ole "Hey, you got a lil something for me?" line - No! But i think it's just the right thing to do to give up the jelly, now herein lies the difference of opinions, I believe that the player should view jelly as a bonus, a tip if you will, now we all know that everytime you sit down and eat a nice meal in a restaurant you should tip, but it would be wrong if your waiter or waitress stood at your table with his/her hand held out after you've eaten and said "where's my tip!" nobody would like that, even though it's understood that it's expected to tip - Same thing with players jellyroll, IMO

There's a well known road player whose not liked by a few money guys because he sticks his chest out and almost demands a jellyroll every chance he can ...

Of course there are different kinds of jelly, I've seen guys almost come to blows because a guy (a) made a huge score off of a steer from another guy (b) and guy (a) did'nt want to pay guy (b) his steer jelly using the ole "your line was off 2 balls, so i was in a bad game, but i outran the nuts, but no thanks to you!" line ...

So tell me guys, should players view jelly as something owed to them, what do you think?
 
If you make a habit of expecting it, be ready for disappointment. I don't think a player should expect jelly, and especially not from a calcutta.
 
Waiters salary is from tips...that is the only way most of them get paid (sorry but I wait tables and play pool so I have to defend both forts). Jelly should never be expected IMHO and you should never get angry if you don't get a cut. Just as if you bet on a guy and lose you shouldn't be upset at that guy because you made the wrong bet. ...my opinion, this whole thread is going to be opinion because there will never be a certified manual agreed upon by the UN and signed by the President regarding this.
 
The only way a player is justified asking for or expecting jelly, tips, etc, is if they are playing someone, and you are side betting with that same person. That drives me nuts, because if someone is betting with the guy I am playing against, that will most likely affect the amount that they will lose to me. If they are only going to lose 500, and you get 150 of it, that basically is taking money out of my pocket and I would expect a cut. Otherwise, I would never expect anything, and consider it a bonus if any is given.
 
Nope it should solely be up to the person who bought the player in the calcutta and definately should not be expected considering that the player has the option to buy half of himself.

The person buying the horse is risking his/her money on that player just as much as the player is risking his/her money buying into a tournament. To me this makes the player and Calcutta player to be on equal footing
 
Cannonball55 said:
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Fast Lenny said:
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Lenny,

You are absolutely right, and besides it has really been bothering me that your v-cash is not even. I am giving you 85 v-cash jelly to round you up to an even amount! :smile:

Ray
(will put in a transfer request):grin-square:
 
Neil said:
In a calcutta? No. He had the chance to buy all or half of himself. In a side bet from the rail? Sure, why not, he made you money, thank him for it. But, he shouldn't be asking for it.
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I think an exception would be that if I knew for a fact that he wasn't in a position to buy a piece of himself in the calcutta then I would consider giving him a slice of the pie. I think we've all been there before.
 
dabarbr said:
I think an exception would be that if I knew for a fact that he wasn't in a position to buy a piece of himself in the calcutta then I would consider giving him a slice of the pie. I think we've all been there before.
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absolutely, we've all been there before
 
Cannonball55 said:
"..... jelly stays on my mind"

Hi,

I was talking to a good friend the other day about it and it was clear that this is a subject that many of us in the pool community disagree on...

Here's my question : Is a player justified for expecting jelly? I think it depends on the situation and there is no clear cut right and wrong when it comes to jelly just a lot of gray area ....

Many people disagree about this but i think if you've made money on the horse you bought in the calcutta ( especially if it was a decent amount ) you should throw your horse a jellyroll . Now, do i think that the player is entitled to the jelly and approach you with the ole "Hey, you got a lil something for me?" line - No! But i think it's just the right thing to do to give up the jelly, now herein lies the difference of opinions, I believe that the player should view jelly as a bonus, a tip if you will, now we all know that everytime you sit down and eat a nice meal in a restaurant you should tip, but it would be wrong if your waiter or waitress stood at your table with his/her hand held out after you've eaten and said "where's my tip!" nobody would like that, even though it's understood that it's expected to tip - Same thing with players jellyroll, IMO

There's a well known road player whose not liked by a few money guys because he sticks his chest out and almost demands a jellyroll every chance he can ...

Of course there are different kinds of jelly, I've seen guys almost come to blows because a guy (a) made a huge score off of a steer from another guy (b) and guy (a) did'nt want to pay guy (b) his steer jelly using the ole "your line was off 2 balls, so i was in a bad game, but i outran the nuts, but no thanks to you!" line ...

So tell me guys, should players view jelly as something owed to them, what do you think?
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I guess I have always looked at jelly a little different than most. Usually my attitude is, "could I have made the money without him"? If that is the case then, I ususally throw it out there.

I have bought people before and offered them half and had them say, they didn't like the odds and refused. If they cash, and played very hard, I may offer something. But, if they are just being cheap and rely on the jelly, no way. I took the risk with them well knowing.

If they come to me and say they just can't afford it but that they are going after it, I can live with that and the jelly doesn't bother me. Once I've offered it and they argue the amount, they will never have to worry about the count again.

When I was playing well and would get calls to play and got there and made something decent, the jelly didn't bother me in the least. I wouldn't have won it without their call, so I have no problem with it.

I have also been in stuations where I'm there playing and dthere is someone there in position to Knock the game. If they wink and say nothing, I will throw them a little something, just depending.

That's just the way I was trained and how I operate.
 
Since its money, its related to business. How you go about your buisness is YOUR business. I try and treat everyone equally in business, but there are some that get that special treatment, good or bad. I tip for good service, and I will gladly NOT tip for extremely poor service, and regretfully not come back.
 
The line had better be very sweet for someone to expect more than just a little jelly. If I buy a player in a calcutta, I have all the expenses the player has to get to the tournament as well as the additional expense of buying them which they have an option everytime to split with me. If a player does not buy half themselves, there must be extenuating circumstances as ironman said for me to consider jellying.

This is not to say I don't jelly. I do, but I don't jelly just to do it. The money was risked by me and should be rewarded to me. If the player wasn't willing to play for the amount they are playing for they should have approached other "backers" to up the bet.

If you ask me, the best way to guarantee some cash is to put it in play. If I call a guy up to play someone, you can bet I'm putting my money up. This is usually a good way to get even odds on your money.
 
I am not a gambler, but I would believe that you as the buyer have all of the risk, but I agree mostly with what ironman stated. If you know the player is going through hard times, except those who are always on hard times because of their lifestyle choices, I would throw some jelly.

I may get beat up over this, but this is my opinion. It is like a poker dealer who expects jelly for a winning hand. If I am playing, one hand is irrelevant, it is the overall night of gambling that would determine my jelly offer. That is like throwing jelly to a tournament player for winning one match, but he loses the tournament. Doesn't make sense to me. If I walk away with more cash that I put in, and there are no extenuating circumstances that prevented him from buying half or all of himself, I may walk away with all of it. It would depend somewhat on the outcome. Call me a nit, but that is what I feel.

If they expect jelly for winning, wouldn't logic tell you to expect compensation from them if they lose? If you don't think so, why not?
 
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that has not been mentioned so far is: How much that person made off of you. If they made $50-70, I don't expect a jelly, but I made them $150 up, then a 10% jelly would be nice.

Jellies don't seem to be as common as they were back in the mid70's and 80's.

But the plain fact remains, you are better off because of that player's playing, and it doesn't kill you to throw him a jelly.
 
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