Jersey Red's Double Kiss

that's awesome.

How many times did it take you to get it? Just curious, because I have tried it a number of times but gave up pretty fast!

I've heard lots of stories that Red actually played the shot gambling, and it was a decently high-percentage shot for him.

It's funny when a guy (esp playing 1-p) has those sorts of shots in their arsenal. Normally I'd PAY to have a guy shoot that sort of shot against me. But what's worse is when they pull it off. Just when you're standing up assuming they just sold out, they make the impossible shot and run out. Gut-wrenching!
 
It took me 8 tries. I didn't use the exact combination of follow and left that is shown in the book. I had to modify it to fit my playing conditions. I wonder if this was more of a proposition shot than something that came up in games.

I am sure this was an easy shot for Red.
 
I've only heard of Red doing it in actual games. Otherwise, it's pretty much a proposition shot. It's also listed in the artistic pool book of shots, although I've never seen someone do it in competition. I can't recall what the rating (difficulty) for the shot is.

mnorwood said:
It took me 8 tries. I didn't use the exact combination of follow and left that is shown in the book. I had to modify it to fit my playing conditions. I wonder if this was more of a proposition shot than something that came up in games.

I am sure this was an easy shot for Red.
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Just found it. It has a DOD (Degree of Difficulty) of 11. That's high. Quite high.

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i've seen that shot played to move a ball towards the pocket in action years ago, there were alot of balls by his hole so there wasnt a chance of it being banked back if it missed, thats the weak link in that shot if you miss youmay leave an easy bank for who ever your playing.
 
Red loved this shot and would practice it quite often. He could shoot it with the object ball frozen to the end rail, and make it about half the time. And the rest of the time, he was kicking it toward his hole. Not a bad move, if you understand how to hit the shot.

There's another Bank shot he taught me a million years ago that I love to shoot, and to this day don't understand how it works. You freeze an object ball to the side rail about a quarter inch or less above the corner pocket. You put the cue ball on the spot and cross bank it hard with low english, across the table into your pocket. Somehow the cue ball does not scratch??? And you can make this bank! It takes a powerful stroke to pull it off.

Maybe Freddie can put this one up on the screen for you all to see. I don't have the Wei table capability here.
 
The player who I was refering to in my above post was Rex Canon. He was in action with someone-cant remember who and he played the shot-he knew it cold, he had all the shots between his ears sadly he was in poor health and couldnt awalys pull them of
 
jay helfert said:
Red loved this shot and would practice it quite often. He could shoot it with the object ball frozen to the end rail, and make it about half the time. And the rest of the time, he was kicking it toward his hole. Not a bad move, if you understand how to hit the shot.

There's another Bank shot he taught me a million years ago that I love to shoot, and to this day don't understand how it works. You freeze an object ball to the side rail about a quarter inch or less above the corner pocket. You put the cue ball on the spot and cross bank it hard with low english, across the table into your pocket. Somehow the cue ball does not scratch??? And you can make this bank! It takes a powerful stroke to pull it off.

Maybe Freddie can put this one up on the screen for you all to see. I don't have the Wei table capability here.
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Willie Jopling shows this shot on his tape "The Ultimate One Pocket Tape" It seems that you have to hit it really hard as if you miss it the OB goes towards the opponents pocket if your speed is right you can keep the ball rebounding towards your pocket. (3 rails)
 
> I saw Luc DiPierne start an 8-out run with this shot,playing Barry Emerson for a not-so-insignifigant amout. It was facing the opposite side,with the object ball nearly frozen to the end rail,and the cue ball only 3-4 inches away. He hit it a LOT harder than the guy in the video,drilled the ball,and the cue ball rolled up on top of the object ball a little and deflected into the stack,leaving him with 3 makeable balls and way to get to the other side of the stack. No one saw it coming,and the resulting emotional impact of making a shot like this and completing the out with 40 people standing around pushed Luc over the finish line. For sheer dramatic effect,I've rarely seen better. Tommy D.
 
StevenPWaldon said:
Just found it. It has a DOD (Degree of Difficulty) of 11. That's high. Quite high.

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I am hesitant to be revealing this but here goes... The shot as diagrammed is extremely difficult but the concept can be useful for practical purposes. If the object ball is placed closer to the pocket, a couple of inches from the point, and the cue ball close to the object ball, the shot becomes light-years easier. Fan the object ball and use a little 3 o'clock english (I know this is counterintuitive). If you are using a heavy cue ball you'll have to adjust the english to center ball or possibly a little right.

When this shot comes up in 1-Pocket or sometimes Last Pocket 8-ball, I jump on it with no grace. I showed this shot to some players in Albuquerque and Alamosa, CO. I made it look so easy they thought the devil must own my soul.
 
8ballEinstein said:
When this shot comes up in 1-Pocket or sometimes Last Pocket 8-ball, I jump on it with no grace. I showed this shot to some players in Albuquerque and Alamosa, CO. I made it look so easy they thought the devil must own my soul.
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Garsh bless you for mentioning last pocket 8 ball. I owe a debt of gratitude for a pimp/drug dealer from Chicago for introducing me to BOTH this game and One Pocket.

He knew I was a straight shooter but needed seasoning strategy wise. He woofed at me to play One Pocket, which I wouldn't, since I didn't know how.. He played me some LP8B and he paid me while I was learning the game. Then, after that, I bough WOP and SMAS, the Eddie Robin books, and practiced my tail off and was waiting to trap him in One Pocket too.

Unfortunately, we never played again...

Russ
 
Buy the book

jay helfert said:
Red loved this shot and would practice it quite often. He could shoot it with the object ball frozen to the end rail, and make it about half the time. And the rest of the time, he was kicking it toward his hole. Not a bad move, if you understand how to hit the shot.

There's another Bank shot he taught me a million years ago that I love to shoot, and to this day don't understand how it works. You freeze an object ball to the side rail about a quarter inch or less above the corner pocket. You put the cue ball on the spot and cross bank it hard with low english, across the table into your pocket. Somehow the cue ball does not scratch??? And you can make this bank! It takes a powerful stroke to pull it off.

Maybe Freddie can put this one up on the screen for you all to see. I don't have the Wei table capability here.
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The diagrammed shot and it's solution can be found on page 186 of Banking With The Beard. Jersey Red's double kiss can be found on page 172. Red would certainly shoot his shot in a game since he would bet even money on it as a proposition.
the Beard
 
Cardone's 1P video gives an example of JR using the shot while "gambling". Supposedly he was playing a kid by the name of Lodi Joe and the kid missed the case ball for $2 a game. JR needed both balls in a setup like this...

http://CueTable.com/P/?@4AXMf3BTYg4PBGf2qQtF&ZZ@

After popping the bank on the 1, he turned to the kid and asked, "Do you come here every day, kid?" The kid stammered and JR said, "Good, I'll be back tomorrow get my $2 back" as he cranked in the double-kiss shot on the 2.
 
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